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Author: Denise Aquino & Patricia Destine

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Denise Aquino and Patricia Destine are two women of color who are dedicated to promoting diversity within the sport of rowing. Both are former rowers turned coxswains turned coaches in the sport. Together they have almost 25 years of experience on the erg, at regattas, in the launch, or at the boathouse. No stranger to navigation or microphones, these former coxswains amplify what it’s like to navigate the topic of race within the white-dominated sport of rowing. Like most bodies of water, the tide is changing; there are more American rowers of color than there has ever been. You’ll hear from people who represented the U.S. in international races to folks who just started to row this year. Tune in to listen to a mix of interviews, special co-hosts, and tag-team shows from hosts, Denise and Patricia. Whether a rower or not, you’re not going to want to miss. Hit subscribe and enjoy.
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#052 - Aisyah Rafaee is interviewed by Rowing in Color host, Denise Aquino. They chat with them to share Olympic level goal setting practices for 2023.In this episode, we talked about:Looking back on 2022 [2:10]Who is Aisyah Rafaee? [5:53]Goal setting tips [8:45]How to get in touch with Aisyah [22:44]One thing to watch out for when making goals [23:22]… and much more.    To get in touch with Aisyah Rafaee, please find her on Instagram at @ariesyahWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.   If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.  Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.  We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#051 - Alia Komsany Ph.D is interviewed by Sadia Moumita. Rowing in Color host, Patricia Destine, chats with them to share Alia’s story.In this episode, we talked about:How Alia got into the sport [3:04]When Alia felt like she didn’t belong in the sport [4:36]The depth of Alia’s commitment to rowing, which is balanced with cancer research [8:00]Changing the narrative regarding stereotypical thinking with girls’ women’s participation in sport [12:07]What Alia’s visibility meant for Sadia [16:08]Alia’s message for girls wearing hijabs & how wearing a hijab has shaped how she is as an athlete [16:36]Alia’s long term goals in rowing [23:13]Talking about barriers to rowing [24:48]The push for women in sports in Saudi Arabia [26:22]How Sadia got into rowing [29:04]Advice for getting parents on board with rowing [33:20]Advice for coaches to build an inclusive environment for Muslim rowers [37:26]… and much more.    To get in touch with Alia Komsany, please find her on Instagram at @aliakomsanyWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.   If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.   Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.   We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#050 - Chicago Training Center’s leadership team at all women: Staci Brown is the Executive Director, Rebekah Armstrong is the Program Director, and Sam Reyes is the Head Coach. Rowing in Color hosts, Denise Aquino and Patricia Destine, chat with them to share their story.In this episode, we talked about:Introductions & how Chicago Training Center achieved racial diversity at the highest staffing level [1:50]From alumna to head coach, Sam shares her experience [13:45]CTC goals for recruiting new rowers and effective methods you can use for diversifying your youth program [16:37]What challenges and value having a diverse staff has had [24:53]Challenges in diversifying their program & sharing really good advice on this process [34:53] How to get in touch [40:54]… and much more.    To get in touch with Chicago Training Center, please find the on Instagram at @ctc_rowing or visit their website at chicagotrainingcenter.org We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.   If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.   Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.   We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#049 - Baylor Henry, the founder of @blackgirlsrow, shared her story with us in December 2020. Tune in to listen to her conversation with then fellow high schoolers, Keira Gotrell and Sophia Gupta.In this episode, they talked about:Their reaction to the offensive rowing memes that we reposted on Instagram in December 2020 [1:15]Talking about how they processed the 2020 Black Lives Matter movement [9:30]“How have you felt the rowing community has changed since…?” [13:49]Talking about creating @blackgirlsrow [18:38]Advice for Juniors coaches [28:09]Did you ever feel like you didn’t belong? [33:11] The joy of proving them wrong and “working twice as hard” [44:10] Black and non-Black person of color perspectives on “working twice as hard” [45:28] Advice to young people of color [53:49] (Oops) Introductions? Outroductions [57:48]… and much more.  To get in touch with Baylor Henry, please find her on Instagram at @blackgirlsrowWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity. If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#048 - Corin Wiggins aka @theblackcoxswain invited us for a chat on Instagram Live to discuss Accessibility in Rowing during Black History Month. Tune in to listen to her conversation with Patricia Destine.In this episode, we talked about:How Patricia got into the sport [2:30]Cost / Price as a barrier [6:19]How representation in coaching (or lack thereof) acts as a barrier [7:50]Solutions to increase more representation in coaching [11:47]Coaching education as a barrier and Patricia's personal experience [14:46]Gatekeeping in rowing [25:00]… and much more.    To get in touch with Corin Wiggins aka @theblackcoxswain, please find her on Instagram at @theblackcoxswainWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.   If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.   Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.   We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
 #047 - Team Antigua Island Girls represented Antigua and Barbuda for the Talisker Whisker Atlantic Campaign in 2019. They rowed 3000 miles from La Gomera to Antigua. They are the first all black and all female team to complete this challenge. In this episode, we talked about:How did they get into rowing across the Atlantic [1:55] First impressions of rowing [4:26] Challenges of crossing the Atlantic [10:05]What impact did rowing the slave trade route have [ ]What advice do you have for others [ ]… and much more.   To get in touch with Team Antigua Island Girls, please email them at teamantiguaislandgirls@gmail.com or check out their website: http://antiguabarbudaislandgirls.com/We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.  If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.  Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.  We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#046  - Annie, a masters rower from Seattle, stopped by the Rowing in Color tent at Head of the Charles Regatta and talk about her experience as a Colombian masters rower based in Seattle.We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#044 - Denise Aquino and Patricia Destine are respectively the Founder and CEO of Rowing in Color. In this episode, listen to them reflect on their silence in 2021, and also introduce the short episodes recorded live from Head of the Charles Regatta on October 23-24, 2021.In this episode, we talked about:4:06 The real reason why we haven’t published in 2021 “When someone’s trying to oppress you, you have to stand up.”10:44 Thank you Patreon family!13:08 “Whether or not that is the first threat or the last threat, we’re gonna keep going.”14:03 What we’re not “supposed” to say on Rowing in Color, according to a funder15:13 What happened to the other recorded episodes?17:30 Thoughts on HOCR 2021 tent 22:24 Words of wisdom for young rowers of color from Patricia25:52 Who Denise is afraid of getting a phone call from… and much more.We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.  If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.  Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.  We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#045  - Patrick Johnson and Brook Yimer (Athletes Without Limits) stop by the Rowing in Color tent at Head of the Charles Regatta and talk about their experience as two Black coaches.In this episode we talk about:0:48 Who and what orgs are represented is on the episode1:30 What was today like for two successful coaches at Head of the Charles4:37 Advice for coaches to create successful athletes of all demographics7:30 Brook shares an example for how to create a unified culture9:20 A message to the rowing world from Patrick Johnson and Brook YimerWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.  If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.  Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.  We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#043 - Denise Aquino and Patricia Destine are respectively the Founder and CEO of Rowing in Color. In this episode, listen to them reflect on 2020, answer questions from the RIC community, and talk about what's in store for 2021.In this episode, we talked about:Reflecting on 2020Questions submitted via InstagramPlans for Rowing in Color in 2021… and much more.We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#042 - Jorlui Sillau is a mental health professional based in New York City with experience rowing through a veterans rowing program.In this episode, we talked about:How can we better respond to microaggressions [6:51] Ask clarifying questions (and why) [8:00] An example of how to respond [11:49] Nonverbal microaggressions [15:00]Fear of Retaliation [17:26]Trauma [18:50]Powerlesness [25:38] Is there a time limit to respond to microaggressions?What recorded videos of erging have to do with this … and much more.To get in touch with Jorlui, please email him at jorlui.sillau@gmail.com We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#041 - Jennifer Fitz-Roy is a black PR2 rower at the Community Rowing, which is also the USRowing Para Training Center.In this episode, we talked about:What PR2 means and what classifications of pararowing there are [2:18]How she got into rowing [9:02] The one person who convinced her she didn’t belong in the sport [15:15]Race [ ]Colorism [ ]Advice to younger rowers of color or younger rowers with a disability [ ]… and much more.To get in touch with Jen, please reach her   on Instagram @fitzroyjWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#040 - Michael D. Green is of Jamaican descent and a Senior heavyweight rower at Dartmouth College. In this episode, we talked about:How he got into rowing [4:18]His thoughts on authenticity [13:22] Michael’s insight on access-related inequities as a result of program cuts on diversity within rowing [16:32]Advice for younger rowers of color [21:04]Code switching [24:45]Advice for coaches to understand social issues about race [30:28]Ever feeling like the go-to race person for his rowing team [34:42]The biggest takeaway for YOU, the listener [43:00]… and much more.To get in touch with Michael, please reach him on Instagram @michael_d_green or on Twitter @thoughts_by_mdg We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#039 - Beata Coloyan and Jasmine Howard coached the Boston Latin School Rowing team to a nationally competitive public school team. As coaches of color themselves, both have worked to make the teams’ demographic make up match the percentage of students of color at the school.In this episode, we talked about:How have various experiences impacted you are a coach? [ ]Describe your work with the Boston Latin Rowing team and making it more accessible.Describe the racial makeup of your coaches [56:55]Do you think there’s something women of color can do to invite more women of color to be coaches? [1:05:00] Given their legal and political backgrounds, are their thoughts on politics in rowing? [1:11:39]What are your next goals for your team and for yourself? [1:18:15]… and much more.To get in touch with Jasmine or Beata, please reach them at coaches@kannaracing.comWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#038 - Diego Baugh is a Senior on the Stanford Men’s Rowing Team and alumn of Saugatuck Rowing Club.In this episode, we talked about:How Diego got into rowing [4:13]What Diego brought up that has never been brought up before on the Rowing in Color podcast [9:50]Times he witnessed racism in rowing [13:07]How have coaches addressed instances of racism in general? [16:0 3] Thoughts on recruiting and inclusion [23:30]His reaction to the Stanford program being cut [25:30]Advice for a coach who wants to recruit an athlete of color [32:07]A success story! [38:06]… and much more.To get in touch with Diego, please reach him on Instagram @diegobaugh or diego.r.baugh@gmail.comWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#037 - Kyley Jones is a black rower who just finished a 7-year rowing career rowing at UC San Diego. She shares powerful insight on inclusion, intersectionality, and community through her anthropological lens. With mere days before the 2020 election and days just following another murder of a black man, her words are what we need to hear right now.In this episode, we talked about:How Kyley started rowing [ ]What advice she would give to other young rowers transitioning from high school rowing to collegiate rowing [ ] What Kyley meant when she said “…” [ ]“Diversity Without Inclusion is Exclusion” [ ]“Whitewashed” [ ]What teams should do when one of their teammates is called the n-word… and much more.To get in touch with Kyley, please reach her on Instagram @joneskyleyWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#036 - Eva Walker Outlaw is a breast cancer survivor and African American rower at an organization called Recovery on Water.In this episode, we talked about:Eva’s diagnosis [2:26]When Recover on Water came into her life [28:12]Benefits of rowing [30:32]Her experience with subtle racist moments in rowing [31:22]Another reason why visibility is important in rowing [38:01]What advice she would give to those recently diagnosed with cancer and those who are just seeing themselves in the sport [47:03]… and much more.To get in touch with Eva, please reach her on Instagram @nd_sometimes or via email at evajoyoutlaw@gmail.comTo learn more about Recover on Water, visit www.recoveryonwater.org or find them on Instagram @recoveryonwaterWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#035 - During Latinx/Hispanic Heritage Month we invited many members to join for a group conversations relating to the Latinx/Hispanic-American rowing experience. This is one of those conversations.In this episode, we talked about:How they got into the sport How language has played a part in the boathouseCode switchingGiving away your own culture in order to fit in [1:04:48]Why rowing is perceived as a white sport [1:15:46]What we’re doing wrong [1:36:40]… and much more.To get in touch with Katherine, please reach her on Instagram @katvaldez72To get in touch with Luis Prado, please reach him on Instagram @hellriser1100To get in touch with Miguel Gonzalez, please reach him on Instagram @onemigzyTo get in touch with Ángela, please reach her on Instagram @angelaoriachTo get in touch with Estefani, please reach her on Instagram @fefeayresWe hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#034 - Hannah Diaz is a Peruvian American coxswain and the only recruited person of color on the openweight women’s team at Princeton University.In this episode, we talked about:Advice for high school coxswains who are aspiring to be recruited for college [4:12]Hannah’s flex [12:35]Her experience as a biracial person [13:12] What a non-Spanish speaking person may *unintentionally* do that might make someone feel awkward [22:10] What it meant to be surrounded by other coxswains of color [33:22]What advice she would give to coxswains [36:07]One lasting message for coxswains [40:52]   … and much more.To get in touch with Hannah, please reach her on Instagram @hannahhdiaz We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
#033 - Camila and Isa Shana Darvin are both sisters and rowers for the University of Wisconsin. Camila is a Freshman rower on the lightweight women’s team while Isa is a Senior on the openweight women’s team.In this episode, we talked about:What hooked them into rowing [6:09]Experiences being Latina on a collegiate rowing team [9:17]Moments of not feeling belong in rowing [13:07]Steps being taken (and obstacles in the way) to move the conversation forward [16:49]An example of barrier to access within rowing during COVID [23:38] Advice for coaches on how to promote inclusivity [30:34]More advice [35:29]Advice for younger Latina rowers [44:08]What does a Latina look like [46:42]… and much more.To get in touch with Camila, please reach her on Instagram @camila.darvin To get in touch with Isa, please reach her on Instagram @isadarvin We hope that the conversation in this podcast helps us all in the rowing world -- no matter your race -- to unify the rowing sport through diversity.If you have a response to this or any episode, we want to hear it. Send us your voice message at www.speakpipe.com/rowingincolor or just check out our Linktree (linktr.ee/rowingincolor). If you don't follow us on IG already, find us @rowingincolor.Lastly, if you can, please hit "follow" or "subscribe" wherever you listen to podcasts. If you can, please leave a rating and a review on Apple Podcast -- it would really mean a lot.We hope you and yours are well. Stay safe.
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