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Author: Winston Janusz

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If spirituality, philosophy and psychology could have a baby, it would be this podcast. Hosted by Winston Janusz.
17 Episodes
In this episode Winston has an announcement to share and offers some final thoughts at the close of season 1 of the podcast. 
Shamanism and Christianity

Shamanism and Christianity


In this episode, Winston meets with Daniel L. Prechtel, John R. Mabry, and Katrina Leathers, who collaborated to write the book Soul Journeys: Christian Spirituality and Shamanism as Pathways for Wholeness and Understanding. In this conversation they discuss the ancient practices of Shamanism that can help us to experience spiritual reality in deeper ways. You can find the book here: can learn more about the authors here: for finding spiritual guidance in these practices:Spiritual Directors International for Shamanic Studies
In this episode Winston talks with theologian, philosopher and scholar Thomas Jay Oord about the problem of how God could allow evil and suffering in the world. Oord proposes a radically new way of conceptualizing God. His most recent book is entitled God Can’t: How to believe in God and Love after Tragedy, Abuse, and Evil.You can find out more about Thomas Jay Oord on his website: 
In this episode, Winston talks with author, speaker, activist and public theologian Brian McLaren about his book The Great Spiritual Migration, the future of church, and how our religious institutions have the potential to help transform the world. You can find out more about Brian McLaren on his website:
In this episode, Morgan Caraway and Winston meet again to discuss spiritual life, having a relationship with God, how the deal with our egos, and the nature of suffering. Here is a link to the Douglas Harding exercise that Morgan referenced in the episode:
Barbara Brown Taylor is a best-selling author, teacher, and Episcopal priest. In 2014 TIME included her on its annual list of the 100 Most Influential People in the world. In this episode, she and Winston talk about her most recent book, Holy Envy: Finding God in the Faith of Others, and how exploring other religions can enrich our own faith. 
In this episode, Winston talks with positive speaker and holistic life coach David Roper. They discuss spiritual transformation, learning to trust God, and how to see Christ in everyone.
With Easter just around the corner, Winston reflects on the the meaning and symbolism of the cross, and calls into question the way that the crucifixion is commonly interpreted. Note: The book that is referenced in this episode is Myth and Ritual in Christianity by Alan Watts.
In this episode, Winston discusses some of the problems with common understandings of the Bible, and offers ways that we can still gain value and meaning from the ancient texts of the Bible, even if we don't take them literally. Additional note: The textbook that is referenced in this episode is A Brief Introduction to the New Testament, 3rd Edition by Bart D. Ehrman. Correction: In the episode Winston mentions that the Gospel of Mark is estimated to have been written around 40 C.E., but according to the textbook it was actually written 65-70 C.E.
In this episode, Winston talks with Paul Knitter, who is the Emeritus Paul Tillich Professor of Theology, World Religions, and Culture at Union Theological Seminary, and the author of Without Buddha I Could Not Be a Christian. Paul and Winston discuss reconciling Christianity with Buddhism, the nature of God, suffering, prayer, meditation, and many other things.
Contemplating COVID-19

Contemplating COVID-19


In this episode Winston and his wife Jessica Janusz discuss the COVID-19 pandemic from their apartment. They discuss the importance of processing our emotions, finding the collateral beauty in the midst of this catastrophe, and remind listeners that we are all in this together. 
In this episode Winston talks with Matt Carriker, an ordained UCC pastor at Agape Spiritual Community in Waltham, MA and Protestant Chaplain at Brandeis University. Matt and Winston have both been impacted by the Buddhist tradition in significant ways, and in this conversation they explore why they think Buddhism and Christianity can be harmonized, and what the future of church might look like. You can learn more about Matt and Agape Spiritual Community at
Peter Rollins Part 2

Peter Rollins Part 2


In this episode, Peter Rollins and Winston enter even deeper into the issues discussed in part one. Once again they explore how Hegelian philosophy compares with the thought of Alan Watts. They also discuss how understanding the crack at the heart of the universe can help us to love our neighbors, and why the church is needed now more than ever. 
In this episode Winston shares one of the last "hoops" he had to jump through to become an ordained pastor in the United Church of Christ. Get to know your host better as he presents his theology and vision for the future of the church to a live audience, followed by a Q & A session and a vote by the audience on whether or not to recommend him for ordination. 
In this episode, philosopher, writer, speaker and pyrotheologian Peter Rollins talks with Winston about how the philosophy of oneness can be problematic. In the episode they explore the thought of Hegel, Alan Watts, Freud and Jung. Peter Rollins advocates for a universe that is inherently not-at-one with itself, and how understanding that can help us.
In this episode, author, musician, and pioneer in sustainable living Morgan Caraway joins Winston in a discussion about Alan Watts, Ram Dass, community, love, and the mystery of it all. You can find Morgan's most recent book Ecological Awakening here:'s website is   
What is Second Table?

What is Second Table?


This is a brief introduction to the Second Table podcast in which Winston talks about the parable that inspired the title. 
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