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In Seclusion

Author: Greg Lambert

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Work From Home (WFH) is the new default for the legal industry. Host Greg Lambert talks with a wide range of legal professionals who share their stories on this new work model.
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When David Lat, Managing Partner of Lateral Link, contracted COVID-19 back in March, he made the pandemic real and personal for many of us in the legal industry. Three months later, I have him as my last guest on In Seclusion and ask him what lessons we've learned through it all. He gave me three. We've learned to work successfully on a remote basis. This is no small deal for the legal industry who stressed the need to be in the office. Lawyers and legal professionals have learned how to use more technology tools in a more effective and efficient way. It turns out that lawyers can learn new tech when they are forced to. We all have gained a great perspective of what's truly important to us in our work and in our personal lives. It's been a challenging three months of working during a pandemic, an economic crisis, and a time of social upheaval. It's been a pleasure talking with over 70 professionals and having them share their experiences, insights, and predictions with us all. If you haven't caught all of the episodes, I suggest going through the list and picking out a few to binge. Stay safe, healthy, and sane everyone! Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Victoria Hudgins, Reporter at LegalTechNews, reports on the legal tech sector and noticed that some of the first cuts that major law firms made during the pandemic were related to their technology innovation teams. Lawyers and tech staff were subjected to layoffs, furloughs, and pay cuts almost immediately as firms feared a reduction in revenue and work. She wonders what that means for these legal innovation teams. Will firms take their foot off the gas on innovation? How long will law firms continue to invest in these teams? Will the resulting actions be that law firms will have to look externally for innovation once we get beyond the pandemic? Time will tell. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Jason Barnwell, Assistant General Counsel of Modern Legal at Microsoft, does not like it when his outside legal counsel comes to him with traditional offerings during a crisis. If there is ever a time to package legal services in a way that helps in-house attorneys manage their limited resources, that time is now. Don't ask the client to define what services you can provide them, come to the client with the knowledge you've learned from all your other clients' needs, and provide insights, and options on how to address current and potential issues. Bring options to the client. The options do not have to be perfect, or unassailable. But they start that conversation to find what the client needs, and how the firms can be creative in helping with that need.  Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Patrick DiDomenico, the Chief Innovation Officer at Jackson Lewis, says that while Necessity may be the Mother of Invention, Crisis may be the Father of Innovation. And this year is definitely filled with crisis events. While the remote nature of work is a challenge, it has also been a bit of a blessing in disguise. The need to be responsive also enables us to be proactive, and that has helped pull teams together to be innovative and do some really great things. Sometimes the need to respond to a crisis can break the paralysis that plagues some law firms who are looking to be perfect before applying changes to existing processes. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Joshua Lenon, Lawyer in Residence at CLIO, works in a cloud-based environment where the idea is to operate consistently, regardless of physical location. And that’s exactly what they have done over the past three-plus months. For others in the legal field to follow this lead, he says that we need to invest more in technology for our staff, as well as shift more operations away from the physical office and more toward cloud systems. Having successful operations like that makes it a lot easier to continue remaining safe and productive remotely until it is safer for all of us to return to an office.  Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Colin Levy, Legal Technology, and Legal Innovation Thought Leader says that there are a lot of people in the legal industry who are truly trying to innovate, but that innovation does not equal technology, and technology does not equal innovation. There’s a holistic approach that needs to be taken, especially in the middle of a crisis like we have now, and the processes as well as the technology need to be evaluated in order to truly create an innovative environment that is built to last. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Craig Levinson is President & Chief Client Developer at Levity Partners and the author of the recent articles “Top 20 Virtual Client Development Tactics Lawyers Can Begin Implementing Immediately,” and “What All Attorneys Can Learn From Female Rainmakers: Panel Recap.” The practice of establishing virtual tactics around client and business development should not be a brand new idea to rainmakers in the legal industry just because we’re in a pandemic. Craig discusses the great rainmakers who have already established virtual tactics around the business by design, and those who are finding themselves establishing virtual tactics by necessity. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
As many of us were rushing to work from home at the beginning of the pandemic, law firm security teams were scrambling to ensure that the networks and hardware were protected from possible attacks. Joel Lytle, Director of Information Security at Jackson Walker in Dallas, joins me to talk about the process he went through during the initial phase of remote work, how he handled the challenges of so many remote workers, and what the goals are for how we adjust to a hybrid of office and remote work going forward. Maintaining security protocols and updating software and hardware are part of the job, but a potential new part of the job may be making sure that the remote workplace doesn’t become an easy target for security breaches. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
David Kamien, CEO, and co-founder of Mind Alliance discusses how when COVID-19 began shutting down the economy, law firms opened up a firehose of thought leadership for their clients. While the clients’ inboxes were overflowing with information, and firms were establishing COVID-19 resource pages, the ability for the client to easily search and filter that information was very limited. David thinks that firms are honestly trying to help their clients through the distribution of relevant information, but the way the information is distributed, accessed and indexed is creating barriers for the client that needs to be corrected. The information has to be more consumable by the client and that means organizing it, placing metadata into the information, and giving the user better filtering ability. There needs to be a shared situation awareness between law firms and clients, and not just during a crisis. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Danny Norris, Attorney at Law and Trustee at the Harris County Texas Department of Education, discusses his experiences over the past few months of changing jobs, being busy with a full-time Intellectual Property law practice, and elected official. While businesses in Texas are reopening, it is the school system that has continued to find ways of helping students by continuing programs, including providing meals. Danny thinks that as we get closer to August, we will need to determine how we protect the most vulnerable in our society. Whether that is the students as we assess the risk in which we are willing to place them or those who may be subject to eviction as courts lift stay orders over the next couple of months.  Note: The last episode of In Seclusion will be on June 28th. I have had a fantastic experience bringing these daily episodes to you, and have enjoyed listening to the stories and experiences of others in the legal field as we adjusted to our work routines during a pandemic. I'll still have daily episodes for the next two weeks, so reach out to me if you have ideas, or want to be on the show before it ends. - GL Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Casandra Laskowski Technology & Research Services Librarian at Duke Law School has the responsibility of assisting law school students, staff, and faculty through some of the teaching and technology challenges of a remote classroom. In addition, she also chairs the Diversity and Inclusion Committee of the American Association of Law Libraries. With the murder of George Floyd and the civil unrest to protest Police brutality and systemic racism, Cas says that people need the space to step back, access their personal situation, and to have time to think, speak, and hopefully heal. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we’re in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Mike Whelan, author of “Lawyer Forward: Finding Your Place in the Future of Law” is a lawyer, author, legal innovator, and recently an Above the Law podcast host. As we begin to make our way back to our respective office or identify our more permanent workplaces, will we go back to the old habits and schedules, or will we take what we’ve learned over the past few months and apply it to create a new model of working going forward? Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Alycia Sutor, Managing Director at GrowthPlay, coaches lawyers, law firms, and other legal organizations on the need to get out of their comfort zones, and quickly embrace the changes as a new way of being. Those are just not skills that many in the legal industry are used to using. But those who find ways of quickly deploying these skills will be the ones who recover the fastest. For your colleagues who are struggling right now, especially with the issues of racial discrimination, she notes that it is important for you to acknowledge what is going on, be present, and be silent and listen. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
For Cornell H. Winston, Law Librarian at United States Attorney's Office in Southern California, there have been a number of small and large changes affecting his law library and records departments. While he is generally an optimist, he knows that change will happen. People who were never allowed to work from home will not accept that limitation any longer. Workers who once made hours-long commutes to and from work haven’t missed a beat while working from home. They will not be coming back to work the way they did pre-COVID. And while Cornell may have not experienced a global pandemic before, he is familiar with economic and racial unrest. But as he says, when you see it, you learn how to ride it. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Celeste Smith, the Director of Education for the American Association of Law Libraries (AALL), works on finding educational opportunities for those of us who consider ourselves life-long learners. While we are in an industry of very intelligent people, the current situation has taught us that we can not be tied to what we think we know based on our own history and experiences. She notes that just as we did when our physical workspaces closed, we do not have the luxury of taking our time to craft long-term strategies before we need to take action. We have to learn and do all at the same time. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Diego Alcala is an attorney and Legal Tech Founder based in Puerto Rico. The current COVID-19 and remote working conditions are just two more issues stacked upon existing challenges ranging from cuts in governmental programs, hurricanes, earthquakes, and other natural and man-made problems. Perhaps now is the time to challenge the legal tech community to find ways to assist with Access to Justice and Criminal Justice Reform. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Ian Nelson of Hotshot Legal believes that as we come out of the pandemic, there will be completely different expectations when it comes to how legal professionals want to train and learn. No more hour-long lectures with little to no interaction. Instead, we'll have shorter lessons with flipped classroom styles where the information is processed beforehand, and the classroom is used to discuss and relate to the information. While Hotshot developed many of these ideas over the past few years, there hasn't necessarily been the impetus within the legal industry to look at these types of short, just-in-time training programs. There's nothing like a crisis to effectuate change.  Link: ebook: Remote Training for Associates Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Vivia Chen is Senior Columnist at ALM, and Chief Blogger for The Careerist. She talks with me about how the pandemic may finally be the impetus to break large law firms from their vanity. With the cultural and societal changes that will most likely come out of the pandemic, there will be no need for lavish law offices or high-end client events to impress those who no longer want to come to your offices or attend your events. There may be a balancing of the scales between competing law firms based more on the substance of the firms’ quality of service than in the quality of their coffee bar. We cover this as well as how women’s needs are handled as we begin reopening offices, and what the real metric of success will be for law firms in 2020. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
This is episode 50. For something I called a miniseries, 50 episodes seem like a lot. Thanks to all who have come on the show to share their stories of preparedness, adjustment, and vision for the future. As we continue indefinitely, I hope that we all remain healthy and safe. This week has been especially hard for many of us and for many of our friends and colleagues. As we move to a slow return to work, let's make it a better environment than the one we left behind. We may be in seclusion at the moment, but we'll eventually come back together. *** Not all of us left the office back in March. Many of our office services staff remained to make sure that the workplaces most of us left behind, were still operational and ready for when we make our way back to a physical office. Clare Hart, CEO of Williams Lea, provided many of the people who were designated the essential employees who kept the lights on in our offices these past few months. I asked her to talk with me about how she worked with her clients to make that happen, all while keeping everyone safe. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
Maya Markovich, Chief Growth Officer at Nextlaw Labs, thinks that the current environment within the legal industry is the perfect time to rethink the old ways of doing things. The time is ripe to try new processes as well as experiment in ways that we might not normally try because we have somewhat of a safety net to try and fail with less judgment. For those with an entrepreneurial mindset, this might be the opportunity you’ve been waiting for to put your ideas into action. Remember, we may all be In Seclusion, but we're in this together. Host: Greg Lambert (@glambert) Producer: Janice Anderson Artwork: Dean Lambert Music: Jerry David DeCicca Twitter: @InSeclusionPod --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/inseclusion/message
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