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Since before he developed the concept of Human Equity and wrote the book The Human Equity Advantage: Beyond Diversity to Talent Optimization in 2013, Peter Trevor Wilson has focussed on making lasting fundamental change in organizations.Having discussed the murder of George Floyd and the trial of his murderer in previous episodes, Peter is the ideal final guest of 2021 as he reflects on how to make the changes we have seen begun in the last year stick in organizations.  It is now more than a year and a half on from the murder of George Floyd after which many employers made bold public statements committing to greater equity and it is important that we explore how to ensure those commitments result in actions that produce lasting change.As with all my conversations with Peter his many years experience, deep humanity and wisdom mean we sometimes stray a bit from our planned discussion - but one thing you can be sure of is time with Peter is always well spent.To contact Peter and find out more about Human equity, visit his new site at
Having been inspired to host this podcast by the response I received at work to tragic loss (and by my friendship with my awesome co-host Sarah Hines), I urge you to listen to this important conversation with Sam Lillemoen.Sam lost his husband Brad suddenly two years ago.  While leadership and many colleagues at work were very supportive, Sam still found himself struggling with grief while at the same time having to perform at work and interact with a wide range of people.  Feeling alone, isolated and useen in his grief at times he decided to launch a "Friends of Grief" group modelled on the Affinity Groups for DEI at Expedia.   He was overwhelmed by the response.You see those who grieve at work are not really alone - it is such a common experience and through Friends of Grief Sam was able to connect with others living after loss - of loved ones, work, health, pets - and those wanting to support colleagues in these situations. Conversations began, sub groups formed and friendships were made.Grief is not an event, it is a journey and one that we don't need to travel alone.  Friends of Grief stands as a tribute to the memory of Brad and also shows how an individual can take the initiative on grief and create a community that brings comfort to so many grieving in the workplace.
Marilyn Johnson is Senior Director Sustainability at Clarivate and was recently named by The American Energy Society as one of the top 500 Global Sustainability Thought Leaders.Marilyn and her work are great examples of how DEI is increasingly influencing thought and action in other functions across the organization.  While the impact of DEI is perhaps most obvious in HR related areas such as Talent Management or Employee Wellbeing,  Marilyn explains how it has become a core principle guiding sustainability at Clarivate.Sustainability and Diversity both share a common characteristic - to be effective they can't be a function bolted on to the organization, they have to inform all activities in the organization.  They are thus natural partners in organizational transformation and culture.This is a thought provoking, stimulating conversation that invites listeners to think more expansively about DEI to drive lasting change.
Six years ago Mike Cameron's girlfriend was murdered by her ex-boyfriend who then took his own life.In this raw conversation we discuss this event and its aftermath and how Mike found the strength of purpose to carry on.  He shares his memories of Carissa and the day when everything changed.Mike's journey is testament to the power of gratitude and grace in the face of grief and his continuing work to end violence against women and teach men to turn from anger to empathy in the face of life's challenges stands as an ongoing memory to Carissa.Both Sarah and I were so grateful to Mike for sharing his story with us and we hope you find his vulnerability and strength as inspiring as we do.
The last two eighteen months have seen an explosion of interest in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in employers across North America.  This has often been characterized by bold statements by corporations committing to creating greater equity both for employees and for the communities they operate in.But you can't do diversity by declaration - it requires concrete action by leaders and colleagues on a daily basis.  Given the workload most of us struggle with, it can seem daunting to many to have to now account for diversity in our everyday actions.Small wonder then that so many employees are choosing to become part of "The Great Resignation" driven in large part by a feeling that they no longer belong with their existing employer.It is this challenge that Maureen Berkner Boyt addresses through her company The Moxie Exchange,  that empowers everyone to become more inclusive and create a culture of belonging.In this conversation Maureen and I discuss the six fundamental skills leaders need to make inclusion a reality and drill a bit deeper into three of them - Listen Deeply, Stay Curious and Consciously Include. You'll hear how you can have the information you need to be inclusive at your fingertips when you need it rather than rely on your memory of a training course you may have taken a few months ago.You can find out more about Maureen and her company at
Grief is not just about when you lose a loved one.  We experience grief whenever we face loss, something many have experienced during the pandemic - whether this be loss of job, status, financial security, routine, human connection, or loss of health.In this episode we explore grief as an aspect of living with a serious health diagnosis with Jennifer Hollington as our guide.  Many people came to know Jennifer as I did through her daily blog that she began immediately after being diagnosed with ovarian cancer.  In it she records the day to day experience of living with cancer,  her treatments, her thoughts about her changing world.  Jennifer's ability to face the reality of her situation head on and communicate her emotional, professional and health journey has been an inspiration to many and it was a privilege to have her join Sarah and I as she shared her thoughts on issues such as:The initial shock of diagnosis and her responseThe role of community in providing supportHow gratitude helped her overcome adversityNeeding to focus on the here and now - as a friend said to her early on "don't die while you are yet alive"Anticipatory griefGrief at the loss of work and healthHow sometimes it comes down to Grit - finding an inner strength to move forward when things get really tough
One of the great privileges of working in the field of DEI is the sheer variety of people I get to meet and know - Case in point the opening panel of my most recent DEI event featured an Irishman who grew up during the Troubles, a Zimbabwean poet and a DEI leader from Mexico who now leads that function at a leading US tech company.That event was also where I first met Ashley - Advocate, Author, VP of Diversity in Financial Services.  One of the many things that makes her special is she recognizes the diversity we all have within us and urges and coaches people to take their uniqueness and use it to power their success.Based on her own life experiences, that include homelessness, harassment and overcoming discrimination, Ashley shares her inspirational message of not trying to fit in but rather connect with who you are and share that gift with the world.  Ashley shows you how you can take to heart the now common adage of "bringing one's whole self to work" and how you can use that energy to drive success in your career and lifeThis is an essential message for both DEI leaders and individual employees.Ashley details 10 empowering actions you can take in her book Empowering Differences. While we touch on most in this conversation we concentrate on four of them:Know YourselfInspireDevelop Your StrategyTake ActionYou can find out more about Ashley and her work at or get a copy of her book Empowering Differences
For this first episode of our bi-weekly series Grief, Gratitude, Grace, my co-host Sarah Hines and I are joined by Chandra Ramamurthy from Mumbai.Chandra was familiar with grief through her work as a psychologist working with AIDS patients before she suffered the most profound loss of her only child Naman to suicide.Sarah and I had the privilege of sitting down with Chandra for this wide ranging discussion on grief.  Chandra's spirit shines through as she shares Naman's story and speaks about her professional experience and about grief as India saw shocking pandemic death tolls during the summer of 2021.As she shares her story, Chandra explores the importance of speaking openly about grief, how it brings us together as humans while also isolating us, the importance of gathering and supporting one another, the healing power of gratitude and the need for grace.   Sarah and I are so grateful to Chandra for her willingness to tell her and Naman's story with  us and with you our audience.  I am sure anyone grieving or comforting those who grieve will agree that this is an essential conversation that will help many find a way forward after loss.
This episode features change expert Dr Jen Frahm discussing the ways organizations can think about and plan for the post Covid future.  Together we discuss the four routes she sees for companies - Reinvention, Reintegration, Renewal and Revolt.While emphasizing that organizations have a choice for the route they take, the environment, resources and their culture will constrain the possibilities ahead.We conclude by exploring how this model might and might not apply to individuals as they navigate the challenges and opportunities Covid 19 presents.  This conversation is a refreshing departure from so many discussions of "The Future of Work" that rely more on speculation and hope rather than a sober analysis of the current state and alternative routes to the future.
Widely known for his best selling books, The Coaching Habit and The Advice Trap, as well as his high energy, inspiring conference presentations, Michael Bungay Stanier sits down for a discussion of the relevance of his work right now.In the current environment people are looking to their leaders and managers for some level of certainty.  This creates the ideal environment for the Advice Monster to rear its ugly head.  To succeed leaders need instead to develop curiosity, humility and empathy so as to enable those they lead to thrive and succeed.To me Michael is Canada's Question Master - join us as he answers a few of mine.
Allan Kehler has been sharing his experiences with mental health and addiction with audiences across Canada for several years.  Though his speaking he has touched thousands of lives, inspiring many to "come out of the shadows", admit their struggles and begin a path of healing and health.His latest book, MENtal Health: It's Time to Talk focuses on men's mental health and features both Allan's own insights as well as the stories of many men.  Their stories of depression, anxiety, sexual abuse and suicide are moving and inspiring, demonstrating both the impact that these issues have but also the possibility of recovery.  It this work that we discuss in this episode
Camille Dundas is a passionate advocate for diversity, inclusion, equity and belonging. She is also a consultant with one of Canada's top social media first and the editor-in-chief of, Canada’s #1 digital magazine serving Black Canadians. She has been recognized by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for her media activism and has led her team to win two national media awards. She is ranked as one of the top 100 Accomplished Black Canadian Women.Camille is a sought after media expert, having spent 10 years as a news writer and producer for Canadian news programs such as CBC National, CP24 Breaking News and CTV's Canada AM.In this episode Camille shares her thoughts on how the changes we are seeing are creating a greater understanding of and appreciation for intersectionality helping us recognize the unique challenges each of us face as well as the unique contributions we all bring to the workplace.  She provides insight into how leaders can maintain a focus on diversity and inclusion during these tough times and even use current events to increase momentum for change towards more inclusive workplaces.Her positive message is the inspiration we all need right now!While she doesn't mention it in this episode, Camille has just become an official ambassador for Canadian company Learning Snippets. This micro learning platform delivers scenario-based D&I training by email, with immediate feedback built-in.
It might seem ironic but the advent of the restrictions on society during the Covid 19 crisis, in particular "social distancing" has sparked a major conversation about the impact of loneliness and isolation on mental and physical health.  And as people find themselves working from home, unable to socialize with friends and family, so they are asking themselves - how can I maintain a sense of connection?Few people are as well placed to address these issues than Pete Bombaci, Founder of The Genwell Project, a not for profit dedicated to human connection.  Pete comes to the discussion about how to stay mentally well during this period of forced isolation having studied the impact of loneliness and advocated for greater connection for many years.Joined by my daughter Jessica who had just emerged from a period of isolation after a friend tested positive, together we explore the impact of loneliness, what you can do right now to ensure you stay connected, and how we can maintain a sense of belonging as we live through this crisis and build momentum for even more human connection once this is over.  We also briefly discuss grief and the impact not being able to physically gather as normal is having on all of us.
In this episode I discuss grief in the time of Covid 19 with Brenda Marshall of the Solacium Group.Brenda is not a grief counsellor but rather consults with employers specifically on grief in the workplace.  Her insights have always been relevant and valuable but right now they are essential as work has changed dramatically and so has grief.Brenda shares her insights into this shift - from grief being something experienced by a person who then returns to work to non-grieving colleagues to a situation where we are all working remotely and many more of us will be experiencing grief.We discuss how both leaders and colleagues can adjust to this situation.  We explore grief as a response to losses other than the death (a job, financial security, status, some aspect of work), disenfranchised grief, grief without gathering, the hierarchy of griefs, and lots more.In less than 30 mins we just scratched the surface - I'll have Brenda back on a later episode and will have some other grief experts share their perspectives.
In this episode my guest isLiane Davey who is a leading keynote speaker and consultant on teams and author of The Good Fight.  I was expecting our conversation to focus on the subject of the book - how to manage conflict in teams and see it for what it is - a source of innovation and performance.  We certainly discussed this but listeners will also benefit from Liane's wise counsel on the area of change, leadership, managing remote teams and how to remain mentally well in these uncertain times.Liane shares vital insights for leaders that will prove immediately useful to leaders right now.
This episode features Manu Varma who works for Traction on Demand, a highly successful and fast growing B-Corp based in Vancouver that develops cloud based business solutions.While Manu has a day job he is also a frequent speaker at conferences across North America sharing his thoughts both on the business but also workplace culture and the central role of purpose to any organization.  In this conversation he talks about the culture at Traction on Demand, the company's mission and how it has pivoted in the current environment both by becoming completely virtual and in seeking ways they can use their skills and resources to assist in the front line in the battle with Covid19.In short, an inspiring conversation about one organization's culture journey and its resilience in the face of rapid, unexpected change.
A verse about Covid 19

A verse about Covid 19


While the purpose of this podcast is to create a platform for speakers and practitioners whose appearances at events had been canceled due to Covid 19, this short episode is a bit of a departure.It's just me reciting a verse I have written that reflect my fears and hopes for the current time and what comes after.It's a work in progress - so forgive the rough edges.  I hope it resonates with you.If you'd like a copy of the text, let me know and I'll send it your way.Stay well.  Stay safe.  Stay away from the humans
This is such a timely conversation with one of Canada's pioneers in the area of workplace mental health.  Mary Ann shares her insights into how to build resiliency in the current environment, the power of gratitude and some helpful thoughts about grief.  We close with a brief discussion of "post traumatic growth" - the idea that we can turn experiences such as Covid 19 into opportunities to learn and grow.A positive and practical discussion!
For this first episode of Uncanceled and Unplugged I'm delighted to have with me Ryan MCarty who is one of the best speakers I've had the honour of sharing the stage with.Ryan's message is compelling and simple - organizations create great cultures when they are able to harness a sense of purpose in their employees.  But while that might be simple it's not necessarily easy but Ryan can show you how.You can find out more about Ryan and his work on his site at
One of Canada's most respected experts in the field of Diversity and author of The Human Equity Advantage, Peter Trevor Wilson joins us to discuss his upcoming article in Profiles in Diversity Journal.Our conversation begins with his encounter with Desmond Tutu over 20 years ago and how the Archbishop inspired a journey for Peter that continues to this day.  We quickly move on to discuss Peter's work over the years and how for him diversity has always been about the unleashing of the potential in all of us, at work and in life.  Given the influence Tutu has had on Peter he shares his perspective on our current moment informed by the idea of Ubuntu.  This idea which Tutu applied in the Truth and Reconciliation process in South Africa is taking on new relevance now in North America as on the one hand there is increased recognition of the inequities and injustices in our society while at the same time divisions seem to be deepening and becoming more volatile.Peter touches on his admiration for Obama ("the best President ever"),  the pointlessness of guilt ("you can't change anything by feeling guilty"),  the fundament truth that to be human is to screw up and the need to practice diversity built on recognizing every individual's uniqueness as well as our shared humanity.
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