Mind the Gap: Making Education Work Across the Globe

On this episode of Mind the Gap, Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner are joined by Amy Gaunt and Alice Stott of Voice 21 to explore how schools can move from valuing talk in principle to building a genuinely coherent oracy curriculum. Drawing on their new book, Create an Oracy Curriculum, Amy and Alice make the case for oracy as both an essential part of effective teaching and a wider educational entitlement, helping pupils to become more accomplished speakers, listeners, and communicators across their journey through school. The conversation unpacks the difference between learning through talk and learning to talk, and explores how teachers can embed oracy within existing subject curricula rather than treating it as another initiative bolted onto an already crowded timetable. They discuss the Voice21 Oracy Framework and its physical, linguistic, cognitive, and social-emotional strands; progression from primary into secondary school; the importance of explicit teaching, modelling, and shared expectations; and how schools can balance everyday exploratory talk - the messy, tentative talk through which pupils develop ideas - with more polished presentational talk. Along the way, they consider linguistic diversity, the relationship between talk and assessment, transition at Key Stage 3, safeguarding, and why creating a strong oracy culture is a collective curriculum endeavour rather than the responsibility of a single enthusiastic teacher.Alice Stott is an education consultant, working with schools, trusts and charities on oracy, programme design and strategy. She was Director of Programmes at Voice 21 and prior to that taught English in secondary schools in London. She is a Churchill Fellow.Amy Gaunt is Director of Education at Voice 21, the national oracy charity. She began her career as a primary teacher, working in schools in London and internationally. She holds an MA in Education from the UCL Institute of Education. Both Amy and Alice are co-authors of Transform Teaching and Learning through Talk: The Oracy Imperative.Tom Sherrington has worked in schools as a teacher and leader for 30 years and is now a consultant specialising in teacher development and curriculum & assessment planning. He regularly contributes to conferences and CPD sessions locally and nationally and is busy working in schools and colleges across the UK and around the world. Follow Tom on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@teacherhead⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Emma Turner FCCT is a school improvement advisor, education consultant, trainer and author. She has almost three decades of primary teaching, headship and leadership experience across the sector, working and leading in both MATs and LAs. She works nationally and internationally on school improvement including at single school level and at scale. She has a particular interest in research informed practice in the primary phase, early career development, and CPD design. Follow Emma on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emma_turner75⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠This podcast is sponsored by Teaching WalkThrus and produced in association with Haringey Education Partnership. Find out more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://walkthrus.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://haringeyeducationpartnership.co.uk/⁠⁠

On this episode of Mind the Gap, Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner are joined by Dr Nicole Ponsford, teacher-turned-researcher, EdTech founder, and Founder & Director of Research & Impact at Kaleidoscope, for an exploration of what inclusion and belonging really look like in schools, and how we can move beyond good intentions to understand pupils’, staff members’, and families’ lived experiences. Drawing on six years of doctoral research and data gathered from tens of thousands of people, Nicole challenges the limitations of traditional measures such as attendance, attainment and behaviour, arguing that they often tell us what has happened without explaining why. The conversation unpacks her five lenses for inclusion - identity, experience, voice, social capital and environment - and explores how schools can use them to make something as apparently intangible as belonging more visible, measurable, and actionable. Along the way, they discuss hidden voices, socioeconomic disadvantage, representation, trust, transitions, staff retention, and the danger of tokenistic approaches to inclusion. Rather than offering simplistic checklists, Nicole makes the case for listening carefully to the people in our communities, interrogating the differences hidden beneath headline data, and designing schools around what people actually experience rather than what leaders assume they need.Dr Nicole Ponsford FCCT is an award-winning educator, researcher and EdTech innovator, and Founder & Director of Research & Impact at Kaleidoscope, an independent research and innovation organisation supporting schools, trusts and education systems to strengthen inclusion, belonging, equity and participation through lived-experience insight. She is also Founder & CEO of the Global Equality Collective (GEC), a global inclusion community and Kaleidoscope’s knowledge partner. Previously an Advanced Skills Teacher and national Achievement Coach with Achievement for All, Nicole has spent over two decades working across Early Years to Post-16 education supporting leadership teams with school improvement, inclusion strategy, and digital innovation. Her work sits at the intersection of education, technology, and equity, with a particular focus on how data can be used more ethically and effectively to support students and staff. Nicole is the creator of Kaleidoscopic Data™, a doctoral research framework designed to help education leaders interpret lived-experience insight alongside more traditional datasets. Find out more about Nicole and Kaleidoscope at https://kaleidoscope-research.org/Tom Sherrington has worked in schools as a teacher and leader for 30 years and is now a consultant specialising in teacher development and curriculum & assessment planning. He regularly contributes to conferences and CPD sessions locally and nationally and is busy working in schools and colleges across the UK and around the world. Follow Tom on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@teacherhead⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Emma Turner FCCT is a school improvement advisor, education consultant, trainer and author. She has almost three decades of primary teaching, headship and leadership experience across the sector, working and leading in both MATs and LAs. She works nationally and internationally on school improvement including at single school level and at scale. She has a particular interest in research informed practice in the primary phase, early career development, and CPD design. Follow Emma on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emma_turner75⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠This podcast is sponsored by Teaching WalkThrus and produced in association with Haringey Education Partnership. Find out more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://walkthrus.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://haringeyeducationpartnership.co.uk/⁠⁠

On this episode of Mind the Gap, Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner are joined by Michael Chiles, headteacher and author of several educational books, for a candid and practical conversation about what school improvement really looks like from the headteacher’s chair. Michael reflects on the work of building change with an established staff, from listening carefully to teachers and pupils before setting priorities to creating teaching labs and practice labs where staff explore classroom techniques and then rehearse them through deliberate practice. The discussion explores the realities of whole-school leadership: improving attendance, strengthening behaviour and belonging, supporting SEND, working with families, sustaining improvement over several years and keeping multiple plates spinning at once. Michael also speaks openly about the pressures of inspection and accountability when headline data can lag behind the changes leaders and teachers are seeing every day, and why context, culture, and the trajectory of a school matter.Michael Chiles is an experienced senior leader and principal examiner who previously taught geography in the North West. Alongside his headship role, Michael supports teachers and leaders nationally and internationally, as well as writing literature for leading subject publishers. He enjoys walking and exploring the British countryside with his Border Collie, Daisy. His books include The CRAFT of Assessment, The Feedback Pendulum and The Sweet Spot. Follow Michael's experiences of the classroom and leadership at @m_chiles.Tom Sherrington has worked in schools as a teacher and leader for 30 years and is now a consultant specialising in teacher development and curriculum & assessment planning. He regularly contributes to conferences and CPD sessions locally and nationally and is busy working in schools and colleges across the UK and around the world. Follow Tom on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@teacherhead⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Emma Turner FCCT is a school improvement advisor, education consultant, trainer and author. She has almost three decades of primary teaching, headship and leadership experience across the sector, working and leading in both MATs and LAs. She works nationally and internationally on school improvement including at single school level and at scale. She has a particular interest in research informed practice in the primary phase, early career development, and CPD design. Follow Emma on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emma_turner75⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠This podcast is sponsored by Teaching WalkThrus and produced in association with Haringey Education Partnership. Find out more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://walkthrus.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://haringeyeducationpartnership.co.uk/⁠⁠

On this episode of Mind the Gap, Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner are joined once again by Dr Haili Hughes, Associate Professor at La Trobe University in Melbourne, for a wide-ranging conversation about teacher development, retention, professional identity, and the conditions that help teachers thrive. Drawing on her recent books Coaching for Adaptive Expertise and Love the One You’re With, Haili explores why retaining experienced teachers requires more than recruitment initiatives or performative wellbeing, arguing instead for cultures built on strong relationships, professional trust, meaningful development, and leadership that removes barriers so teachers can focus on teaching. The conversation also tackles the de-intellectualisation of teaching, asking what happens when consistency becomes prescription and teachers are reduced to simply following techniques rather than understanding principles and making informed decisions. Haili makes the case for professional agency rather than unfettered autonomy: shared mental models, playbooks and codified practices matter, but they should provide the knowledge teachers need to think, adapt and exercise judgement in their own subjects and contexts. Along the way, they explore mentoring and coaching, the importance of making expert teacher thinking visible, the value of purposeful rehearsal, and what Haili’s move from England to Australia has taught her about different education systems.Haili Hughes is a distinguished figure in the field of education, currently serving as an Associate Professor at La Trobe University and formerly the Director of Professional Development at All Saints Multi-Academy Trust. With a rich background that spans over 16 years as a teacher and leader in secondary schools, Haili has contributed significantly to UK education. Her work extends to advising on Initial Teacher Training (ITT) policy for the Department for Education (DfE) in the UK, facilitating programs like the Early Career Framework (ECF) and various National Professional Qualifications (NPQs). Haili has also authored several educational books and is a recognised speaker at educational conferences worldwide, where she shares her expertise on mentoring and teacher retention. You can subscribe to her substack for free here: https://hailihughes.substack.com/Tom Sherrington has worked in schools as a teacher and leader for 30 years and is now a consultant specialising in teacher development and curriculum & assessment planning. He regularly contributes to conferences and CPD sessions locally and nationally and is busy working in schools and colleges across the UK and around the world. Follow Tom on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@teacherhead⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Emma Turner FCCT is a school improvement advisor, education consultant, trainer and author. She has almost three decades of primary teaching, headship and leadership experience across the sector, working and leading in both MATs and LAs. She works nationally and internationally on school improvement including at single school level and at scale. She has a particular interest in research informed practice in the primary phase, early career development, and CPD design. Follow Emma on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emma_turner75⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠This podcast is sponsored by Teaching WalkThrus and produced in association with Haringey Education Partnership. Find out more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://walkthrus.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://haringeyeducationpartnership.co.uk/⁠⁠

On this episode of Mind the Gap, Tom Sherrington and Emma Turner open a brand new season with Matt Stone, Director of Education at Teaching Walkthrus and lead author of Coaching Walkthrus, for a deeply practical conversation about what it really takes to make coaching work in schools. Matt traces his journey from secondary English teacher and senior leader and how those experiences led to him wanting to develop a coaching culture rooted in trust, shared language and genuine professional growth, moving away from high-stakes lesson observation and accountability towards something more useful, humane, and sustainable. The discussion explores Matt’s three domains of coaching - personal, cognitive and technical - and why effective professional development has to help teachers see the value of change, understand the thinking behind it, and actually practise the techniques that will make a difference in classrooms. Along the way, they unpack how schools can design coaching systems that are realistic for their context, from whole-staff approaches to team-based models and one-to-one support; why training sits at the heart of good coaching; and how “theory, see it, name it, do it” can help teachers move from ideas to action. As Director of Education and co-author of Coaching WalkThrus, Matt Stone shapes the strategic direction of WalkThrus’ training and support. He leads the training team, supports member schools, and oversees resource development, while providing in-school training, consultancy and coaching. Matt is a former English teacher and school leader in Wales.Tom Sherrington has worked in schools as a teacher and leader for 30 years and is now a consultant specialising in teacher development and curriculum & assessment planning. He regularly contributes to conferences and CPD sessions locally and nationally and is busy working in schools and colleges across the UK and around the world. Follow Tom on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@teacherhead⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Emma Turner FCCT is a school improvement advisor, education consultant, trainer and author. She has almost three decades of primary teaching, headship and leadership experience across the sector, working and leading in both MATs and LAs. She works nationally and internationally on school improvement including at single school level and at scale. She has a particular interest in research informed practice in the primary phase, early career development, and CPD design. Follow Emma on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@emma_turner75⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠This podcast is sponsored by Teaching WalkThrus and produced in association with Haringey Education Partnership. Find out more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://walkthrus.co.uk/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://haringeyeducationpartnership.co.uk/⁠⁠