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"Stories have the power to change the world! Listen in with the co-founders of children's charity Thinking of Oscar as they discuss stories with some of the world's modern day pioneers doing what they can to change the way in which children are cared for and looked after. The aim of the podcast is to educate, inspire and beat the drum for the individuals who are looking to make a big difference to the lives of children. Hear conversations with clinicians, teachers, innovators, parents, nurses and many others who share how they are working to change the world for the better for children everywhere. We hope you will be inspired by their stories."
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This week we are speaking with Trystan Hawkins from the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital in London.Trystan is the Art Director and Patient Environment Director and works for the Hospital charity known as CW+.Trystan is responsible for leading the vision for arts and design for CW+ in order to provide a first-class environment for everyone using the hospital. In our conversation we discuss: The value of evidence-based design and how that impacts patient experience.Paediatric patient distraction techniques that the hospital has employed.How art has the ability to foster patient wellbeing and relationships. You can find details of CW+'s design principals here. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love or Face Coverings. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we speak with 'doctorpreneur' Dr Evelyn Chan.  Dr Chan is a peadiatric doctor turned CEO and co-founder of Virtual Reality start up Smileyscope.Evelyn studied medicine and surgery at Monash University in Australia before becoming a Rhodes Scholar at the University of Oxford where she studied medical anthropology and public health. She then worked at the Boston Consulting Group, specialising in public sector and healthcare strategy.  As the CEO and co-founder of Smileyscope Evelyn is now working to change the experiences of children in clinical settings.  Smileyscope grew out of Everlyn’s own clinical experience and aims to transform paediatric needle procedures through patient-centred Virtual Reality. As we will hear some of the advantages that Evelyn has found in her work is that VR is able to decrease patient pain and anxiety and makes it quicker and safer for clinicians to perform procedures.  Evelyn gives us a great insight into the process that she went through in getting her company to where it is today and in doing so conducted the largest clinical study on VR in a paediatric setting anywhere in the world.  She shares some great insights into lessons learned and we really hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.Follow Smileyscope on Twitter here. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love or Facecovering. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
Professor Lucy Bray is a Professor in Child Health Literacy in the Faculty of Health and Social Care at Edge Hill University in the UK and the Children's Nursing Research Unit at Alder Hey Children's Hospital.Professor Bray has worked within acute children’s nursing for over twenty years, specialising in children’s surgery.Her research interests include the education, information needs and preparation of children, young people and their parents for surgery, procedures and interventions. Her work explores how children and young people can be provided with information in a meaningful and timely way. The majority of Lucy’s research is based on qualitative research approaches and uses innovative methods which aim to facilitate the involvement of children and young people. Follow Professor Bray on Twitter here. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week on the Podcast we are delighted to welcome Professor Paul Ramchandani.  Paul is LEGO® Professor of Play in Education, Development and Learning at Cambridge University in the UK. And leads a research team investigating the role of play in children’s early development. Paul is also a practicing Consultant Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist.Paul trained as a doctor in Southampton before obtaining a degree in Public Health from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. He then completed training in Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and obtained a DPhil from Oxford University in 2005. Prior to taking up his appointment in Cambridge in January 2018, Paul led the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Group at Imperial College London.Paul's research is focussed on early child development and he has a particular interest in how we give children the best start in life, including the prevention of emotional and behavioural difficulties. Much of this work has explored the role of fathers, as well as mothers, in children’s lives and development. We have a fascinating discussion with Paul around his research and he shares his wisdom on some of the best things that we can all do to help our children in their early years.Details of the current work of the team, and recent publications can be found at the PEDAL website and the pPOD website.Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we have the pleasure of welcoming two friends of Thinking of Oscar - Tiffani Ghere and Audra DiPadova Wilford. Tiffani is the Supervising Clinical Dietitian and part of the leadership team at The Children’s Hospital of Orange County in California (CHOC Children's)And Audra is the Chief Hope Officer at the MaxLove Project. MaxLove Project is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing families fighting childhood cancers and life-threatening conditions with accessible, practical, and kid-friendly whole-body wellness, inspired by HOPE.Audra is mum to Max, who aged 4 was diagnosed with a rare and aggressive brain tumor. Max’s treatment, recovery, and journey into survivorship led Audra and her husband Justin to found MaxLove Project to help other families thrive in childhood cancer treatment and beyond. The MaxLove Project team is made up of a group of extraordinarily dedicated individuals who are passionate about improving the lives of all SuperKids and SuperFamilies and works behind the scenes to support the mission of the organisation. They believe that survivorship starts the day of diagnosis. All childhood cancer survivors face a lifetime of serious life-threatening health risks. They believe that the statistics are not destiny and they are changing the odds for families facing childhood cancers with evidence-based integrative wellness and culinary medicine. "Discover how you can grow into our own journey of empowerment and greater wellness by focusing on what you can control".   Find out more about Audra and Max and the MaxLove project here.Find out more information on Tiffani's work at CHOC Children's here. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
On this week’s podcast we talk to a pair of technology entrepreneurs who are changing the face of the patient experience.  If you are interested in technology and AI then this is the episode for you!We are joined by Sasha Cahill and Ali Nasim who are behind a platform that enables remote patient care and coordination. Sasha is the serial entrepreneur and Ali is a thought leader in patient experience.  Together they have built and founded a new start up called PX Pulse.  We discuss with them their journey and the importance of the 'Patient Experience', especially how this relates to caring for children. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
Dr Ingrid Wolfe is Director of the Children and Young People’s Health Partnership in Lambeth and Southwark in London. She is also a Consultant in Child Public Health at Evelina Children’s Hospital.Ingrid is qualified in paediatrics and public health, which has enabled her to be a children’s doctor in a very broad sense of the term. She has on-the-ground insight from clinical practice, and a population perspective from public health. These two aspects come together in her academic work, which focuses on children’s health services, systems and policy in the UK and European countries.  In her NHS work, Ingrid leads the development and evaluation of a new model of children’s health care.Ingrid’s goal is to improve UK child health through strengthening and applying science in children’s health services, systems, and policy.Find out more about the Children and Young People’s Health Partnership (CYPHP) here.Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we welcome our good friend Sherry Farrugia to the Podcast.  Sherry is a vastly experienced entrepreneur and until recently was the Chief Operating and Strategy Officer  for the Pediatric Technology Centre that was formed between Georgia Tech and Atlanta Children’s Hospital. She has recently taken on the role as Interim CEO for Global Centre for Medical Innovation.   Sherry is a true pioneer for the advancement of innovation within Paediatrics but potentially her greatest super power is bringing people together and getting them to 'Collaborate'.  And that is the essence of our conversation today. There are some great lessons that we hope you are able to take away from our conversation with Sherry. Find out more about iSPI here.Contact Sherry here. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we speak with Dr Lizzie Crawford and Professor Tariq Aslam about their company Clin-e-cal and how 'Gamification' is changing the way in which children (and adults) can be encouraged to not only adhere to their pescribed medication or treatment but also have fun and enjoy the experience. Lizzie is CEO of Clin-e-cal and has been involved in the development of early stage technologies for more than a decade, and Professor Tariq Aslam is the Founder of Clin-e-cal and also Professor at the University of Manchester and Consultant Ophthalmologist at Manchester Royal Eye Hospital. Lizzie and Tariq also share some great insights into what it is like working in a start up focused on child health solutions.  Clin-e-cal uses its patented Sound Response technology to develop apps to provide real-time feedback to inhaler users & facilitate remote disease management. With thousands of downloads, they're on a mission to help the world’s 500m asthma & COPD sufferers.Find out more about Clin-e-cal here.Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
We have spent much of Season 1 talking about the importance and necessity to invest more into Children's Healthcare.  This week we talk to Founder and Principal of Boston-based Springhood Ventures, John Parker, who is doing just that! John founded Springhood to address the funding gap in child health innovation. Springhood provides critical early investment and support to companies developing important healthcare solutions for children. John has 25 years in the alternative investment industry together with over a decade of philanthropic experience and has create a new model using investment dollars to make a difference in the lives of children. In parallel to this role, he established and manages the program-related investment (PRI) initiative of the Charles H. Hood Foundation, a Boston-based private foundation that supports paediatric research, where he also serves as a trustee. Find out more about Springhood Ventures and John here.Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
In our Season 2 opener, Hannah and David look back to the lessons learned from Season 1 and discuss what is coming up in Season 2 whilst trying to limit the amount of love given toward the 'AMAZING' people that they have had the fortune to speak with in Season 1. Visit our shop here to purchase a copy of the Thinking of Oscar Cookbook - Made with Love. THANK YOU! Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Previous Episodes include:Episode 1: Introducing The Not Mini Adults Podcast with David and Hannah ColeEpisode 2: EMPOWERMENT with Dom RabanEpisode 3: THE BATCAVE with Mr Iain HennesseyEpisode 4: DRIVE (Part 1) with Professor Neil SebireEpisode 5: SPACE with Dr Alberto TozziEpisode 6: PLAY with Christian KoernerEpisode 7: SOCIAL (& COVID) with Dr Damian RolandEpisode 8: BUBBLES with Dr Tessa DavisEpisode 9: LISTENING with Professor Jo WilmshurstEpisode 10: RESEARCH with Professor Nick BishopEpisode 11: TECHNOLOGY with Professor Paul DimitriEpisode 12: ZERO CHILDHOOD CANCER with Professor Michelle Haber AMFollow us on Twitter here or Instagram here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
In the season 1 finale of the 'Not Mini Adults Podcast' we speak with Professor Michelle Haber, a globally esteemed researcher of childhood cancer.Professor Haber is an Australian scientist in the field of childhood cancer research and serves as the Executive Director of the Children's Cancer Institute in Sydney, Australia. Michelle is also a Professor at the School of Women’s and Children’s Health at the University of New South Wales. She is known for her discoveries in the area of chemotherapy resistance in neuroblastoma and for translating these discoveries into new therapeutics that are currently in clinical trials. In 2017 Professor Haber began leading a program entitled ‘Zero Childhood Cancer’.  As you will hear the Zero Childhood Cancer Program harnesses the latest technology and innovations in research to offer a truly unique insight into an individual child’s cancer to enable identification of the treatment most likely to be effective.In 2007 Professor Haber was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia (AM) for service to science in the field of childhood cancer, to scientific education, and to the community.More information on the Zero Childhood Cancer Program can be found here. Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we speak with Professor Paul Dimitri. Paul is a Professor of Child Health and Consultant in Paediatric Endocrinology at Sheffield Children’s NHS Foundation Trust and has worked in the field of Paediatrics since 1998 and Paediatrics Endocrinology since 2004. Professor Dimitri is the Director of Research & Innovation at the Sheffield Children’s Hospital and the Director of the National Institute for Health Research’s (NIHR) Children and Young People MedTech Co-operative (NIHR CYP MedTech).  Paul is also the Clinical Lead for the National TITCH (Technology Innovation Transforming Child Health) Network established to support the development and adoption of technology for children’s healthcare.As part of the paediatric endocrinology team, Prof. Dimitri sees patients with disorders of growth and puberty, and disorders of hormone excess and deficiency. Professor Dimitri is internationally recognised in his research area studying the impact of childhood obesity on bone health and skeletal development. Paul is currently leading a proposal for a global first Centre for Child Health Technology (CCHT) which is set to provide the world’s most advanced healthcare for children and young people.If built the CCHT (centre) will bring together experts in health, academia and industry to stimulate technical innovation, attract inward investment and to support sustainable change and reduce costs to the NHS.This is why our conversation this week centres around “Technology” and why technology will play a significant part in children’s health and care. More information on the proposed Centre for Child Health Technology can be found here.  Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
"Without research and without data you cannot make decisions that are in the best interests of the patient.  It's as simple as that......."This week we speak with the wonderful Professor Nick Bishop about the importance of ‘Research’ for children’s health. The conversation was educational and inspirational, and we hope that you enjoy listening to Nick as much as we did.Nick is Vice President for Science and Research at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health in the UK and also Professor of Paediatric Bone Disease and Head of the Academic Unit of Child Health in the Department of Oncology and Metabolism at the University of Sheffield.  He is also an honorary consultant at Sheffield Children’s NHS Foundation Trust. He graduated in medicine from Manchester University in 1982 and trained as a paediatrician in Manchester, Cambridge and Canada before moving to Sheffield and establishing the Children’s Metabolic Bone Disease Service, now the largest service of its kind in Western Europe.He is Director of the Sheffield Children’s Clinical Research Facility, Associate Director of the Experimental Arthritis Treatment Centre for Children, co-lead of the Clinical Trials Working Group of the European Reference Network for Rare Bone Diseases, and the immediate past-President of the Academic Paediatric Association of Great Britain and Ireland.Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we turn our attention to Africa and hear from Professor Jo Wilmshurst who talks to us about the African Paediatric Fellowship Program (APFP).  The APFP is based at the University of Cape Town in South Africa and is a training programme for paediatricians and child health specialists.  Its aim is to implement change across Africa by creating a network of skilled child-health specialists who are building capacity for saving children’s lives while strengthening health systems.Professor Wilmshurst is Head of Paediatric Neurology at the Red Cross War Memorial Children’s Hospital, which is part of University of Cape Town, the largest children’s hospital in sub-Saharan Africa. Jo is also President of the International Child Neurology Association.During our journey with these Podcasts there have been some common themes that resonate throughout – empowerment, letting children be children, looking after the next generation and this week’s underlying theme – ‘Listening’.Please join us as we understand from Jo the importance of the work that the African Paediatric Fellowship Program is doing and why listening to each child, clinician and countries needs and priorities is so important. Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we had the pleasure of speaking with Dr Tessa Davis.  Tessa is a Consultant in Paediatrics Emergency Medicine at The Royal London Hospital and also a Senior Lecturer in Emergency and Resuscitation Medicine at Queens Mary University of LondonTessa is one of the co-founders of the paediatric education resource website and conference "Don’t Forget the Bubbles" (DFTB), where paediatric healthcare professionals from across the world can share knowledge with their peers.And that is where we get the theme for todays conversation with Tessa - It’s all about the Bubbles! It's called DFTB as a nod to bubbles - the most important accessory for any Paediatric healthcare professional. It's a reminder of the need for a holistic approach to Paediatrics - the evidence base is core but blowing some bubbles can be used for a multitude of purposes for sick children.During our conversation we talk about the amazing project that DFTB has launched called Skin Deep which aims to improve the diversity in skin images online.Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week we speak with our friend Dr Damian Roland.  Damian is a Consultant at the University of Leicester NHS Trust in the UK and Honorary Associate Professor for the University of Leicester Sapphire group. He specialises in Paediatric Emergency Medicine and is a passionate believer that education exists to be shared – the #FOAMed social movement providing a mechanism to do this.His research interests include evaluation of educational interventions and improving the recognition of illness in children.  Damian developed the Paediatric Observation Priority Score (POPS), which is now available as an app to help with communication between himself and colleagues in the hospital setting. It has been shortlisted for two healthcare technology awards.Damian is also leading the Innovation theme for the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health’s Paediatrics 2040 Project.  He also regularly lectures on decision making in paediatric practice.The theme of todays conversation is centered around Social and Damian has a strong interest in Social Media as a means of knowledge translation using Twitter and his own blog Rolobot Rambles.  We also hear his experiences of children's healthcare during the current pandemic.Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week on The Not Mini Adults Podcast - "Pioneers for Children's Health and Wellbeing" we talk to technologist Christian Koerner.  Christian is the Digital Lead for the Copenhagen University Hospitals and was, up until recently, the Technology Scout for the soon to be brand new Copenhagen Children’s Hospital. The new hospital is in the process of being built and will be for children, adolescents and also pregnant women.  It will accommodate up to 900 patients as well as 1,200 doctors, nurses and other staff members. Here is a link to a video depicting the hospital. The hospital emphasises the power of play as an integral part of medical treatment and the scheme for the building takes the form of two hands grasping together to support the various aspects of paediatric care. It's an amazing building with an amazing ethos and we hope you find the conversation with Christian as fascinating as we did. Thinking of Oscar website and contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts
This week on The Not Mini Adults Podcast - "Pioneers for Children's Health and Wellbeing" we speak with Dr Alberto Tozzi, Chief Innovation Officer & Research Area Coordinator for Ospedale Pediatrico Bambino Gesu in Rome, Italy We discuss 'Space' and how children need to be considered when organisations and governments are looking at colonisation on other planets in the next 20-30 years.  Given that Dr Tozzi is a paediatrician and an epidemiologist with experience in vaccines and transmissible diseases, we inevitably discussed the COVID-19 pandemic and what it has meant for children. We also discuss how Dr Tozzi and his team are working with patients and their families to find solutions to unmet needs in hospital.   Dr Tozzi has worked as a researcher with the Italian National Health Institute for more than 15 years, participating in and coordinating several projects concerning the prevention and surveillance of infectious diseases. In 2004 Dr Tozzi moved to the Bambino Gesù Children’s Hospital, where he continued to work in vaccine preventable diseases and started developing projects on eHealth and digital medicine.  Thinking of Oscar Website and Contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ – copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000 Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane Griffiths Podcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts. 
In today's episode of The Not Mini Adults Podcast - "Pioneers for Children's Health and Wellbeing" we speak with Professor Neil Sebire.  Neil is Professor of Paediatric Pathology at Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) in London, and Chief Research Information Officer and Director of the Digital Research, Informatics and Virtual Environment (DRIVE) Unit at Great Ormond Street Hospital.  The theme of our converstaion is 'Data' and there is no one better than Neil to discuss the importance that data has in bringing the future of healthcare to children. Neil is a clinical academic with research interests that include complications of pregnancy and the placenta, stillbirth and infant death, as well as paediatric oncology and nephrology. His current research and academic interests are however focused around the impact of digital transformation on health care, in particular how clinical informatics will improve child health. DRIVE aims to become a world leading clinical informatics unit focused on data analysis, accelerating research and the deployment of cutting-edge technology.  DRIVE harnesses the powerful combination of rich health data with data science and digital innovation to develop scalable solutions to enhance health services not only for GOSH patients but across the wider NHS.Thinking of Oscar Website and Contact details can be found here. Follow us on Twitter here. Theme Music - ‘Mountain’ –copyright Lisa Fitzgibbon 2000Written & performed by Lisa Fitzgibbon, Violin Jane GriffithsPodcast artwork thanks to The Podcast Design Experts.
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