Hard Beautiful Journey - Addiction Support, Addiction Awareness, Addiction Recovery, Sibling Addiction Support, Mental Health Awareness, Unresolved Trauma Awareness

This was a very hard interview to prepare for and record.  Please listen....everything on my heart is in this episode.   Much love, Tiff

Today we are talking about a topic of addiction that we haven’t touched on yet so I’m really looking forward to exploring this as I know it is an addiction that deserves just as much awareness as any other.  The topic today is porn addiction and I couldn’t think of a better guest to start this conversation with than Jeremy Lipkowitz.   Jeremy is a mindfulness and emotional intelligence facilitator, and porn addiction recovery coach for men. Jeremy overcame his own addiction to pornography in his early twenties with the help of mindfulness meditation and Buddhist philosophy, which not only helped him let go of his destructive behaviors, it also allowed him to connect with deeper meaning and purpose in his life.   For the past 11 years Jeremy has been teaching mindfulness and emotional intelligence practices at universities, recovery centers, and companies throughout Europe, Asia and the US. He has been featured in places like Men's Health and Livestrong Magazine for his work in helping people overcome compulsive behaviors and addictions.    He holds a Bachelors and Master’s degree in Genetics and Genomics, and spent several years at Duke University working towards a PhD in Genetics & Systems Biology before he turned full-time to teaching and coaching.   I'm so grateful for Jeremy being open and real about the hard beautiful journey he had with porn addiction.  Today he has given many people some comfort to know they are not alone and that they too can hopefully speak their truth and reach out for support.     To contact Jeremy and learn more about how he can help support you on your own journey please check out https://www.jeremylipkowitz.com/ or on Instagram at this link.   I want to remind all my listeners that I have a private Facebook group called “Finding Hope Through Your Siblings Addiction”.  I would love if you would let anyone know that is dealing with this that there is a place of support for them as well and I would love for you to join.  This hard beautiful journey is much easier with someone to walk it with.  We weren’t meant to do any of this alone.  Again the name is “Finding Hope Through Your Sibling’s Addiction” and can be found at this link.   Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts. While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me!    I would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on: Instagram Facebook YouTube LinkedIn   Thanks for listening, Tiff    

Today on the podcast I have someone I have wanted you to hear from for about a year.  A beautiful soul named Rhonda Watt is here to talk about the loss of her BEAUTIFUL son Erik to an accidental, recreational use of drugs when he was 19 years old.   Rhonda so willingly shares her Hard Beautiful Journey with us to remind us that the people with addictions are real people who truly want connection and compassion.  Rhonda is working hard on the front lines, in the trenches to help these people and remind them that they are important and loved.  Such a beautiful way to honour the memory of her son Erik. Rhonda also has a Facebook Group named "Grief Warrior" that is there for other Momma's who have lost children in any manner find community and support.  That group can be found at this link.  Please reach out if you need to talk, they are there to listen and support. Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts. While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me! Also, if you haven't done so already, join the Hard Beautiful Journey community to connect with other like-minded people.  I would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on:  Instagram Facebook YouTube LinkedIn  Thanks for listening, Tiff

Today on the podcast I have a beautiful soul named Taija McLuckie.     Taija describes herself as a middle class, white female, born and raised in BC with lived experience.  She was in and out of illicit substance misuse for 3+ years and prescribed substance misuse for 4+ years.  Taija is here to talk about her lived experience in addiction and how she now does work as a support and outreach worker in various settings and her thoughts on how our Canadian government is handling the drug crisis in our country.   Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts. While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me! Also, if you haven't done so already, join the Hard Beautiful Journey community to connect with other like-minded people.   I would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on:   Instagram Facebook YouTube LinkedIn   Thanks for listening, Tiff

Welcome back for the follow-up to episode 70 and the conclusion of my interview with Corey Gauthier.   In our last episode, Corey discussed his journey into plant medicines and psychedelic therapies after realizing that his "live fast, die young" lifestyle had some deep-rooted trauma. For those who missed it, I strongly encourage you to check it out first! Today, we're going to continue along on our journey with him.   Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode: Listen to Corey's personal experience with an African Rites of Passage ceremony, as well as the incredible story that gave me goosebumps. Discover why the Sacred Soul Center closed its doors. Hear Corey's recommendations for plant medicine clinics.   Are you enjoying the Hard Beautiful Journey podcast?   Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts. While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me! Also, if you haven't done so already, join the Hard Beautiful Journey community to connect with other like-minded people.   I  would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on: Instagram Facebook YouTube LinkedIn   Thanks for listening, Tiff

Today, Corey Gauthier joins me for the first part of our conversation about how he began his journey into plant medicines and psychedelic therapies after realizing that his "live fast, die young" lifestyle had some deep-seated trauma attached to it.   This journey would lead him to a world he had never known existed and eventually to his new career as a plant medicine entrepreneur.    Come back on Thursday, June 23, to hear the episode's conclusion, where Corey tells a story about a trip to Africa that gave me goosebumps. You won't want to miss it.    Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode: Corey wanted to devote his life to the powerful healing properties of plant medicines. Learn how this journey led him down a path that expanded his world in ways he never imagined possible. Discover how, once the stigma surrounding "modern recreational drugs" is removed, they have a powerful place in our modern-day on a micro-dosing or therapeutic purpose. Full Show Notes Here! Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts. While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me! Also, if you haven't done so already, join the Hard Beautiful Journey community to connect with other like-minded people.   I would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on:   Instagram Facebook YouTube LinkedIn   Thanks for listening, Tiff

Today we continue our conversation with Eric Kussin. The founder of the organization #SameHere, a global mental health movement.   Eric previously shared his personal story of battling a severe mental health crisis, his misdiagnosis, the missing piece of the puzzle, and what led him to find #SameHere. If you missed it, I highly recommend you go back and check out Episode 68 first.   In this episode, we openly discuss suicide and suicidal ideation. If you're vulnerable to this right now, please check out the resources in the show notes where you can reach out for help.   Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode: It's time to talk about the root of the mental health crisis. Discover what it means to be vulnerable and open. Learn about # SameHere's revolutionary apps.   Full Show Notes Here    Connect with Eric Kussin: Website Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Resources: https://samehereglobal.org/ Suicide Prevention Hotline Ep 68: #SAMEHERE Global Mental Health Movement with Eric Kussin   Are you enjoying the Hard Beautiful Journey podcast?   Please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me! Also, if you haven't done so already, join the Facebook Community to connect with other like-minded people.   I would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on: Instagram Facebook YouTube LinkedIn   Thanks for listening, Tiff

Today on the show is Eric Kussin who is the founder of the organization #samehere Global Mental Health Movement.   Eric shares his personal story of fighting against a severe mental health crisis, how he was misdiagnosed for years, the missing part of the equation, and what led him to founding a global mental health movement.   A big fan of marketing, psychology, and sport, Eric combined all three and began reaching out to his contacts to discuss how they could attack the mental health epidemic strategically and differently than had ever been done before. He had to bring purpose to his own experience and believed he must have gone through that horrific period for a reason.    With suicides at a 30-year high, and drug/opioid abuse out of control, he knows something major must change with the messaging if we’re to reverse these negative trends.  And I couldn't agree with him more.   Check out Eric's Resources at: https://samehereglobal.org/   Follow me on: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hardbeautifuljourney/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hardbeautifuljourney YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNMiFbzcn5Xz7aPGQWI8ZMg Twitter: https://twitter.com/hardbeautifulj1 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/hardbeautifuljourney Website: https://hardbeautifuljourney.com/ Thanks so much for listening,  Tiff    

Aaron Huey is the founder of Parenting Teens That Struggle and the host of the number one parenting podcast "Beyond Risk and Back". He is also a Family Consultant, a teen coach and an addiction interventionist. He facilitates powerful parenting events and is a very happy husband and father of two young adults. Aaron is an internationally known lecturer on archetypal imagery, body language and martial arts and the founder and President of Fire Mountain Programs. In 2009, he and his wife Christine opened a residential mental health and dependency recovery treatment center for teens ages 12 to 17 in Colorado. Fire Mountain Residential Treatment Center was in 2019 named one of the top 50 healthcare providers in the United States and in 2020 named one of the top 100 Innovators in Healthcare. His new online parenting Masterclass has just been awarded a Telly! In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. The importance of understanding and addressing the root causes of struggles, rather than just reacting to the symptoms or results. 2. The idea that addiction is not just about the substance, but also about the human being and their relationship to the substance. 3. The importance of parents taking care of themselves and doing the "inner work" in order to best support their struggling teen. Full Show Notes Here! Check out Aaron's Resources at: https://brabapp.com/ Follow me on: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hardbeautifuljourney/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hardbeautifuljourney YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNMiFbzcn5Xz7aPGQWI8ZMg Twitter: https://twitter.com/hardbeautifulj1 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/hardbeautifuljourney Website: https://hardbeautifuljourney.com/ Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating here: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/hard-beautiful-journey-loved-ones-with-addiction/id1521381641   Thanks so much for listening,  Tiff

Welcome back for the first episode of Season 5!!! On this episode you will hear about the pivot I am making with my podcast and everything HARD BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY related :) Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode: You'll find out why May 31 is such an important day You'll learn about my podcast's pivot You'll also hear my thoughts on why talking about addictions, mental health, and unresolved trauma is so vital   Full Show Notes Here!   Are you enjoying the Hard Beautiful Journey podcast? Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts.  While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review.  It would mean so much to me!  Also, if you haven't done so already, join my private Facebook Group called "Finding Hope Through Your Loved One’s Addiction - Addiction Support Group". I would love to connect with you on social, so please give me a follow on: Instagram Facebook Thanks for listening, Tiff  

Today I welcome Charlene Madden, who admittedly spent most of her life living in a state of darkness.  **A gentle warning, this episode discusses suicide. If you are feeling vulnerable in this area, please consult with a doctor or mental health professional in your area. Or call one of the Suicide Prevention numbers listed in the resources.**     After she experienced over nine years of sexual trauma, a decade of domestic violence, more than three decades of mental illness, and suicidal ideology, she was two days away from committing suicide when she attended a women's workshop that saved her life. She authentically shares the struggles that she has experienced in a way that reaches into the hearts of listeners in a profound and relatable way. By discussing topics of childhood sexual violence, domestic abuse, and mental illness, she is on a mission to shatter the stigma surrounding these topics.   She began her healing journey and found her purpose by turning her darkness into a message of hope. Believe me when I say that her story and vulnerability will impact you! Here are three reasons why you should listen to the complete episode: Charlene shares her story of sexual trauma, domestic violence, mental illness, and suicidal ideology. Find out how a women's workshop saved her life just two days before her planned suicide. Discover her journey of hope and purpose through self-love and overcoming fear. Connect with Charlene Madden Website Facebook Instagram Linkedin    Full Show Notes Here!   Enjoying the Hard Beautiful Journey podcast? Click here to follow on Apple Podcasts. While there, please leave a 5-star rating and review; it would mean so much to me! Also, if you haven’t done so already, join the Hard Beautiful Journey community to connect with other like-minded people and visit the website. I would love to connect with you on socials, so please give me a follow on Instagram  and Facebook. Thanks for listening, Tiff

This episode has been a LONG time coming.  I did something that went against my intuition in regards to social media.  And it was the catalyst for me deciding to take an extended break from all social media platforms.  Find out what that was on this episode of Hard Beautiful Journey. I would LOVE if you'd check out my new websites! Hard Beautiful Journey website can be found at hardbeautifuljourney.com.   Mstiffvaughan website can be found at mstiffvaughan.com.  

Have you ever met someone and you walk away from the conversation you've had a bit stunned, and a whole lot relieved? Those are the emotions I had after having a recent reading with my next guest.   Jennie Ogilvie is here today and we discuss something that I need to work on daily - changing my dialogue so my story changes.   Jennie is known as Canada's Unconventional Medium - and I know this going into every reading I have with her, but for some reason this time I thought maybe she'd bring through my brother and just give me "comfort".....I actually said those words to her. And she proceeded to give me her no BS method of helping me really dig deep into what it is I was needing at that moment in my life....not wanting....but what I was needing. So yeah, at first I was stunned....but then I was soooo relieved that I got the clarity I was looking for.   You can find Jennie at https://www.jennieogilvie.com/   Check out my social channels everywhere as @hardbeautifuljourney and @mstiffvaughan and my websites are https://hardbeautifuljourney and https://mstiffvaughan.com

Troy Colmer, founder of Sober Athletic Wear, joins us to share his story of addiction and recovery. Learn more about how Troy is helping others who are struggling with addiction and mental health issues. Find Troy at soberathleticwear.com and on Twitter @sober_wear on Instagram @soberathleticwear to learn more about what Troy is doing to help others! Check out my social channels everywhere as @hardbeautifuljourney and @mstiffvaughan and my websites are https://hardbeautifuljourney and https://mstiffvaughan.com

I am so thrilled to welcome Mike Duffy to my podcast.  Mike is an author, philanthropist and founder of the Happiness Hall of Fame.  The Happiness Hall Of Fame is a non-profit that recognizes special people that have advanced the cause of happiness throughout the world. The hall was founded to celebrate and encourage incredible people and organizations that make other people happy. The hall honours notable philanthropists, athletes, authors, teachers, coaches, business leaders, artists, job creators, entertainers, charities, organizations, doctors, innovators and people that inspire. The list of inductees is very long!  Some of the inductees include Muhammad Ali, Deepak Chopra, 3 Time NBA Champion, Steph Curry; Chris Anderson, curator of TED; Mr. October, Reggie Jackson; Dr. Wayne Dyer, Serena Williams, Derek Jeter, Tony Robbins, Taylor Swift, Olympic gold medalist, Kristi Yamaguchi; The San Francisco Giants, The Golden State Warriors and Dolly Parton.  Honestly this is just a small sample of the inspiring people with incredible initiatives that have been inducted.   Mike is here to talk to us about the 7 ways to be happier and the wisdom that he has gained from the inductees of the Happiness Hall of Fame. You can find Mike at mikeduffyspeaks.com and happinesshalloffame.com. Check out my social channels everywhere as @hardbeautifuljourney and my website https://hardbeautifuljourney.com.

One of my biggest life lessons I am working on is patience….well, patience has paid off in this case because I finally had the opportunity to sit down with one of the members of Our Collective Journey, also known as OCJ.  My guest is Ryan Oscar who is one of three cofounders of OCJ and the podcast From Darkness To Life.   The goal of Our Collective Journey is to connect people with people, to Strengthen communities through the power of shared experience.  They pride themselves on authentic, honest connections with individuals that are rooted in shared experiences.  They are there for many reasons, which you’ll hear about in this episode, but what I KNOW they are doing so amazingly well, is helping people share their stories, because every time that happens, it helps erase the shame for others which helps them not feel so alone in their pain.   Find Ryan and Our Collective Journey at https://ourcollectivejourney.ca/ and on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/ourcollectivejourney/. Check out my social channels everywhere as @hardbeautifuljourney and my website https://hardbeautifuljourney.com.  

Today's guest is Preston Zeller and I'm really excited for you to meet him and hear his story!  As a creative person, I was immediately interested in learning more about his grief journey. And what I found out about his story, makes me think there was a higher power that wanted us to meet....our stories of loss and grief are very similar.....and we are both wanting to do something meaningful with our grief...by helping others. Preston is an artist with accomplishments across multiple mediums, including film, photography, music and fine art.  Following the death of his brother in 2019, Preston set out to paint for a year straight to process his own grief and share the experience along the way to stir conversation about how we deal with grief in society.   The 365 paintings, which create a 10'x20' mosaic, are the subject of a feature-length documentary entitled, "The Art of Grieving".  The documentary is set for release in Spring 2022.   Preston now helps others through grief by creating commemorative paintings using the ashes of a loved one.  His goal is to normalize grief conversations and proliferate healthy ways of dealing with grief. You can find Preston on Instagram @prestonzeller and the film website is https://theartofgrievingfilm.com.   Check out my social channels everywhere as @hardbeautifuljourney and my website https://hardbeautifuljourney.com.  

Losing a loved one is beyond painful...it's excruciating.  My big brother Cory passed away on October 27, 2021. This episode is about life after this devastating loss and what the grief journey is looking like for myself and our family.   If you would like to watch the memorial video I made for Cory's celebration of life, it can be viewed at https://vimeo.com/643112317. Check out my social channels everywhere as @hardbeautifuljourney and my website www.hardbeautifuljourney.com.  

I have been MIA for awhile hey?!  Yes, I know and I am ready to talk about why that has been in this episode of the podcast.     That's a wrap for Season 3 and I'm still in awe that I have published 50 episodes!!  I can't wait to be back with Season 4 in a couple weeks with more fantastic guest interviews.     Check out my social channels everywhere as @mstiffvaughan and my website www.mstiffvaughan.com.   Until next time, be kind and stay well :)

My guest today blew my mind at many points in this interview, and I look forward to you hearing these moments.   Jason Matthews is here to talk about two topics: The first part of our discussion is around men and women and how we interact with each other and our peers. Jason and I discuss a few areas, such as distrust and competition of needs.    The second part of our discussion is around Human Design and what it means, and then we discuss some of the results of my Human Design reading I had with Jason earlier this year. It is fascinating what he told me. So many moments helped me understand exactly why certain things have been more difficult for me, and I know you will relate to this topic for sure!    Here are three reasons why you should listen to the complete Episode: Learn about the differences in how men and women interact. Jason provides valuable insights on the three steps of effective communication. Discover the four behavioral types in Human Design.   Episode Highlights Who is Jason Matthews Jason has spent the last 20 years studying human behavior, human interaction, emotional trauma, and the different ways that men and women interact with themselves, with each other, and their peers. As an emotion investigator, Jason's job is to teach his clients how to solve the mystery of interpersonal interaction by understanding two elements of communication: understanding and alignment. He offers guidance on how unlocking your compassionate power can help you create the life you imagined for yourself and get you the opportunities you want most. Compassionate power Jason has found that there is a severe lack of the ability for men and women to express themselves adequately in today's society. It's because of one thing that they're not allowing themselves to do, which is to feel compassion. Compassion is the desire to be seen as friendly, approachable and trustworthy, and both men and women want to do this. Masculine and feminine energy Masculine energy embodies competence, the ability to be seen as capable, reliable, powerful, and action-oriented. Feminine energy embodies compassion, the ability to be seen as friendly, approachable, trustworthy, and development-oriented. Masculine and feminine energies don't have a gender; men can express feminine energy, and women can express masculine energy. Toxic masculinity in men Men have been conditioned to be seen as powerful, capable and reliable. They're self-conscious about how masculine they need to appear, and this alienates them from others, often coming across as narcissistic and egotistical. While men naturally embody competence, it's also essential to understand how they can be compassionate, especially in the way they connect with others. Toxic competence in women Women are naturally predisposed to being compassionate, to love, develop and nurture. When you take away the belief that compassion is good, you strip away what makes a woman. What's left is the drive to show they're competent, capable, reliable and powerful. Women, however, can show competence by showing they can develop others and be a source of comfort. Manifesting the best version of yourself Each gender needs to be permitted to act in a way where they can express themselves fully and play to their strengths. For men, their sole purpose is to act, and the action of acting makes it possible for them to create a space for women or that feminine energy to express themselves fully. Competition of needs Each party focuses on its own needs, and compassion is lost. When focusing on a job that needs to be done, you're left competing with one another. Instead, focus on what each has to offer to accomplish a goal by working together. Focusing on your orientation  Men are action-orientated and women are action-minded; women are development-orientated and men are development-minded. What you're orientated towards, you're naturally going to excel. It's best to recognize your talents and act in that way, providing the same results and level of service as your counterpart. Competition of needs destroys relationships Relationships can be destroyed when each party believes that they're entitled to meet their own needs. Focusing on what you want and not listening creates immense frustration. Women want to be heard, while men want to be recognized for their accomplishments. It's important to focus on what's important versus what you want to be appreciated or recognized for. Igniting reciprocity This goes back to action-oriented versus development-oriented. A development-oriented person will have a strong desire to listen first, and just the act of listening can satisfy their need. By their need being met, they're inclined to find out what the other person needs, igniting reciprocity versus competing. If both want to be heard first, there will be a bad interaction. Our needs are emotional Our needs are purely emotional, and it has nothing to do with the information. It has to do with the feeling, and it's our feelings that need to be heard. If someone is sharing and doesn't reciprocate, it's a clue that what's being shared is not what needs to be heard. This could be because they don't feel safe to share what they need to. Three steps of effective communication Ask what or how questions, label through your interpretation and get "that's right." This is not a male or female thing; it's a human thing. It lets the other person know that they are heard, supported, and belong. Coaching men Jason has found that most people have suffered loss or trauma and have lost their voice. They're either trying desperately to prove themselves or have shut down. He guides them to be the best version of themselves to become powerful leaders. Showing them that it's okay to show compassion and be vulnerable, whether you're a man or woman. Human Design Human Design is the combination of many different principles and schools of thought. It's a framework that helps us understand how we act, interact, and react. There are four different behavior types: manifestor, generator, projector and reflector. Generator Generators are the life force of the earth. Without generators, sustained action would not be possible. Generators can sustain energy and can get things done. Manifestor Manifestors create things; they start a process and get the ball rolling. Once they get the ball rolling, they need to be willing to let it go as they cannot sustain energy to follow through to completion. Projector Projectors are guides that can provide direction. They can't sustain energy; they're known as the nonenergy type. They're the kind of people who see what's possible and can connect the dots. Reflector Reflectors make up at most 1% of the population, and they're the least common. Reflectors observe what's going on and take a 20-day cycle to really understand and reflect. My behavioral type I'm a manifestor, I create things and get them started. Although I want to follow through, I've made myself physically ill trying to do all the work. Jason advises that the perfect marriage of behavior types are manifestors with generators. A generator on my team will help take my idea and what I've created and follow through to completion. My behavioral lines Each person has two behavioral lines corresponding to a particular trait. My lines are two and four. My first line is the hermit. My second line is the opportunist. The hermit This is someone who, by nature, needs to be alone to process emotions and information to make sense of their reality. When there's value to be shared, they're willing to share it but only for a limited time before needing to decompress. Often referred to as introverts. The opportunist The people and environment that they're surrounded by provides opportunities. They're keen to see those opportunities and capitalize on them. The collision of my behavioral lines The hermit and opportunist can be seen as a contradiction. The hermit side wants to be isolated, yet the opportunistic side wants to capitalize on opportunities. Having a generator on my team will be helpful as my manifestor energy is limited. Insights gained from my Human Design As a manifestor, I'm a creator who starts things, but I have limited energy to follow through. A generator on my team, like a VA, will be invaluable in assisting with follow through and completing my creations. I'm grateful to have learned about human design, knowing that I need to stop at specific points to be a happier person.   What Jason is grateful for Jason is grateful for his connections and the ability to connect with other people on a more intimate level.   3 Powerful Quotes from this Episode 18:38 - "So if, if I realized that you have a need, and I can help in some way, satisfy that need, and I'm aware that that dynamic exists, it's my job, it becomes my responsibility. So what is it that you need, and then to listen to you, regardless of whether I can fulfill that need or not? The act of listening to you is going to make you feel appreciated? Absolutely. It's going to make you feel like you are important, that you have a voice. And because of that, you are going to naturally want to listen to what my needs are. Just the fact that I listened to you first. And this applies to romantic relationships, business relationships, friendships, even people who are in a mastermind who are working towards a common goal".   27:12 - "Because by them being the best version of themselves, they become a very powerful leader that other people want to follow, that other people want to know more about, that become the most interesting person in a room without even needing a beer commercial. And they are able to create the kind of dynamic with their peers, with women, whether it be in a relationship, whether it be in a business, whether it be in a social setting, they create the kind of dynamic where other people find them so interesting, because they have shown that they are interested in others,