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Playing The Inner Game

Author: Michael Campion

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My guests are entrepreneurs, athletes, artists, and executives. Some famous names and plenty of hidden gems. All have achieved a level of mastery in their field, are gifted communicators, and appreciate the tough introspection required to master their 'inner game'. We discuss what success means to each one of them, try to decode the best parts of their mindset, and gain a deeper understanding of how the stories we tell ourselves affect everything we touch. It is a search for the common threads, principles, and patterns that listeners can apply to their own lives to make themselves healthier, happier, and wiser.
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My guest this week is Joshua Lisec, the International Bestselling, celebrity recommended, #1 Ghostwriter in the world right now. His output is prolific, he’s written 57 books before his 30th birthday. We talk about his journey to becoming a ghostwriter, stepping off the college to career conveyor belt, the life of a soloprenuer, building and thinking in public, and great tips on becoming a more persuasive writer. If you feel like you have a story or a book in you that deserves to be told, Josh can help you figure out the best way to say it. If you’re on the entrepreneurial journey, there’s good advice here on creating your dream job and finding your own unique skill stack. I start the conversation by asking Joshua about his love of writing, and how he ended up on this fascinating and unlikeliest of career paths.Follow JoshuaTwitterWebsiteTEDxTalk on SolopreneurshipHome of the podcasthttps://www.michaelxcampion.com/podcast Instagram: @michaelxcampionTwitter: @michaelxcampionLinkedInTop Ten Public Speaking Tips + 'Thursday Thoughts' www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribeNotable Mentionshttps://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSaysThe Dilbert Future by Scott AdamsInfluence by Robert Cialdini
The best way to introduce Kevin Dahlstrom is in his own words:"Through hard work and an unfair share of luck, I’ve done some cool “bucket list” things in my career:- Raised VC from the worlds’ top firms- Helped build 100’s of millions in revenue from nothing- Rang the bell at the NYSE- Met & did deals with billionaires & business iconsThese are things I dreamed about when I was young and I treasure some of the memories. But when they finally happened I felt surprisingly unfulfilled.  I was scoring lots of points but didn’t feel like I was winning.Then a few years ago during a board meeting I had a moment of clarity. I looked around the table at 10 people, all absurdly successful by financial measures. There wasn’t a single person I wanted to emulate. Most were unhealthy and several had told me that they were unhappy.Within months I walked away from from a 7-figure salary, moved my family to Boulder, and haven’t looked back. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a capitalist and I like money as much as anyone. But for me it's not the thing, and more of the wrong thing is less."Kevin splits his time between Boulder, Colorado, and Honolulul, Hawaii, where he is currently EVP and CMO at Pacific Central Bank. He has 20+ years of experience heading marketing, product strategy, and e-commerce for leading financial organizations. Kevin was CMO at Mr Cooper, CMO at Elevate, and been a founder or early in multiple high-growth fintech startups in the USA.Follow KevinTwitterLinkedInHome of the podcastwww.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionTwitter: @michaelxcampionLinkedInTop Ten Public Speaking Tips + 'Thursday Thoughts' www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribeNotable MentionsPaul Graham - Makers Schedule vs Managers Schedule Seth Godin - Purple CowMr Money Mustache Youtube TalkJeff Bezos - Regret Minimization FrameworkThe Enneagram - Personality test
"So few of us actually spend the time to design our lives. We have this vague idea of what our life might look like. But vague and fuzzy plans, yield vague and fuzzy results."Simon spent over 25 years in the private banking and investment banking industry, holding senior positions at Goldman Sachs and Citibank in Australia and Singapore. Through all of this, Simon was also honing his skills as a Jeet Kune Do instructor, the form of Martial Arts coined by one of his biggest early influences, Bruce Lee. Simon became disillusioned with advising UHNW clients, people who frankly didn’t need his help building greater wealth. He wanted to make a bigger contribution and actually help people who needed it. He took all the financial acumen he’d acquired over the years, and fused it with the lessons he’d learned as an expert in the martial arts. Since 2017 he has been an entrepreneur, teaching and consulting ordinary individuals how to trade successfully for themselves and create wealth on their own terms. In July 2020 he released his book 'The Tao Of Trading: How to Build  Abundant Wealth in Any Market Condition'."I've got a 'No High-Fives rule' when it comes to trading. If I start feeling euphoric, then I start cutting positions very quickly. It means I'm in a high risk psychological state. When you feel like you've finally got markets figured out, the market is about to hand you another lesson"This episode is full of universal principles. Anyone who has even the slightest curiosity about making their passion their profession, leaving the rat race, running a side hustle, or just wants some motivation to know that it is possible to live life on your own terms, this episode is right on the money.  I hope you enjoy my conversation with Simon as much as I did.Links to SimonSimon on LinkedInTwitterThe Tao of Trading: How to Build Abundant Wealth in Any Market Condition - Amazon/Kindlehttps://www.taooftrading.com/ Home of the podcastwww.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionTwitter: @michaelxcampionMichael on LinkedInTop Ten Public Speaking Tips + 'Thursday Thoughts' www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribeOther MentionsVictor FranklSteven Pressfield - The War of ArtThe Dao of Jeet Kune Do by Bruce LeeDavid Yarrow on Playing The Inner GameSeth Godin - Quarter Inch DrillbitJim Collins - Fire bullets then cannonballs
"The passion AND the challenge is an important combination. Make sure it's hard enough. Everything rewarding I've done, has been hard."Malcolm is best known as a leading influence in the F&B industry and cofounded the multi-award winning Maximal Concepts. He has opened over 35 different concepts in his career and is best known for the flagship restaurant brand Mott 32, one of the most awarded Chinese restaurants in the world. A passionate environmental filmmaker and social entrepreneur, he was heavily involved in the production of  “A Plastic Ocean”, described by Sir David Attenborough as “the most important film of our time”.  His follow-on film “The Last Glaciers” is set for release in 2021 and will be the most comprehensive film ever produced about the relationship between climate change, mountain environments, and glaciers. One of the world's few experts in paralpinism, Malcolm was also recently selected as the first paraglider, speed flyer, and filmmaker to join UN Environment’s campaign ‘Mountain Heroes’. This wide-ranging conversation reflects the incredible breadth of business interests Malcolm holds across the Steelhead Group. We discuss: identity, managing fear, entrepreneurship, filmmaking, extreme sports, sustainability, climate change, and parental wisdom.  Links:IG: @malcolmgwood | @thelastglaciers | @maximalconceptsSteelhead GroupThe Last Glaciers Trailer Maximal ConceptsARC'TERYXHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionTwitter: @michaelxcampionLinkedInTop Ten Public Speaking Tips + 'Thursday Thoughts' www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"Only those who are not afraid to push, will ever see how far they can go"In 2004 Annabelle Bond became the fourth British woman ever to ascend Mount Everest.  She then went on to scale the ‘Seven Summits’ -  the highest peaks on each continent,  in just 360 days, making her the fastest female climber in the world. In her first ever podcast interview she tells me what it’s like to stand on top of the world on all seven continents. Incredibly, just weeks before tackling Mount Everest, a doctor’s visit revealed that she had a tumour, something of a cruel irony, given that she was already deeply involved in raising funds for The Eve Appeal Cancer Foundation. She went under the knife to have it removed and after summiting Everest against the odds, the next six mountains succumbed to her will one by one. Our first turn down memory lane starts with her recounting her childhood, the exotic sights and sounds of Asia in the 70s, before we discuss the influence her esteemed father Sir John Bond. We then dive into what it takes to climb Mount Everest, we talk about near brushes with death, the importance of setting goals, of healthy competition, life as a single mum, and some final words to live by. Links:This episode was recorded at The Madame Fu Grand Cafe ChinoisLaureus AmbassadorTwitter @annabellebondHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"It doesn't matter how trying the circumstances, how challenging the environment, how difficult the task. Ultimately, strength is shown through calm"James Riley is the Chief Executive of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group. He joined the Board as Group CEO in 2016 and has held a number of senior executive positions within the Jardine Matheson Group. He was Group Finance Director of Jardines from 2005 to 2016, and was a non-executive director of HSBC from 2012 to 2016. He is also the Chairman of the Hong Kong Branch of the Royal Geographical Society. Despite being the CEO of one of the world’s most loved luxury hotel brands, you will find very little online about his professional or personal life. Therefore, I am honoured to be the one to bring this conversation into the world and am grateful for his trust in me to do so. I hope that the hundreds of thousands of Jardines employees around the world, who have worked alongside James over the years, both recognise the man on the mic, and also learn something new about a man whose energy, zest for life, and company, I find very enjoyable. We ease into this conversation on common ground and our shared love of books, discussing his favourites and the one that moved him to tears. We then pick up steam and he speaks candidly about how he copes as CEO of a huge organisation despite recently losing his sight. We chat about his people-centric leadership philosophy, and why he’s stayed with one group for so long. We also discuss living with no regrets, the importance of luck in one’s career, what makes him most uncomfortable, and his excitement around the ambitious drive to totally eliminate single-use plastics at Mandarin Oriental by 2021. We end with him revealing how watching a loved one suffer, ultimately shaped his career ambitions and determination to succeed. I hope you enjoy listening to the 'Life of Riley'.Links:This episode was recorded at The Mandarin Oriental HKMandarin Oriental Hotel GroupJardine Matheson GroupLinkedInJames' Recommendations:Heywood Hill BookshopA Little LifeLes MiserablesKim The Lady in Number 6 DocumentaryHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
In 1997, Andy Barrow was playing rugby for his local club when he suffered a spinal-cord injury that left him paralysed from the chest down, with limited use of his hands. He was aged just 17.Following this life-changing injury and many hard months of rehabilitation, his life was transformed when he discovered wheelchair rugby – also known as “Murderball”.  Andy’s wheelchair rugby career encompassed three Paralympic Games, three World Championships, and five European Championships. He captained Great Britain from 2005 to 2010, and led the team out at the Beijing Paralympics before bowing out on home turf at London 2012.Andy is incredibly inspirational and it was so powerful to hear him say that despite all the setbacks he's faced in life, he wouldn't change a thing. This is a moving story of resilience, self-belief, and the ability to overcome. Links:Andy Barrow websiteAndy on TwitterLinkedInOther Mentions:Indochina Starfish FoundationLaureus 'Sport for Good'David Whyte Poem - Everything is waiting for youHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"When I commit to something, I COMMIT to it. No baby steps. It might be an extreme path for some, but I've always learned the most from trying the extremes and then working backwards" Isabella Grandic is one of the most interesting teenagers I’ve ever had the pleasure of meeting. Ambitious and enthusiastic in equal measure, Izzy is part of The Knowledge Society, a human accelerator for young minds that seeks to produce the next generation of innovators. At just 15 years old, she was invited by the Microsoft Senior Leadership Team to keynote on the topic of food tech. At 16, she was flown to Sweden to present at the IKEA Leadership Summit, and later that year she spoke at the world’s biggest Tech Conference, Web Summit.  She’s consulted for companies like Walmart, Google, and Aleph Farms, a food-tech startup that grows cuts of meat from beef cells using a 3D tissue engineering platform. Lab Grown Meat is not that far from becoming a commercial reality on our supermarket shelves, so it was interesting for me to learn a little bit more on the topic, and how this might really move the needle when it comes to solving for animal cruelty and climate change. I also wanted to catch up with her to discuss her latest project (a social enterprise run entirely from her bedroom during the pandemic) which has the lofty and admirable goal of ending maternal mortality in Nigeria. Izzy only just turned 17, and there is plenty to be worried about in the world just now. But, if the rest of Generation Z turns out to be anything like Izzy, it’s easy to feel more optimistic about the future of our planet. The kids are most definitely, alright. Links:http://isabellagrandic.com/ Izzy on MediumThe Knowledge SocietyAleph Farms - Meat without the animalsSapiens - Yuval Noah HarariHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"I can say to you hand on heart, almost every single one of my successful entrepreneurial friends has been through depression. Every single one. We're not designed to be on our phones all day. We're not designed to be constantly on airplanes."Jamie Hunt is one of the co-founders of 2XU, the high-performance sportswear brand worn by many of the world’s top athletes and celebrities, from LeBron James to Kanye West. He helped create the brand back in 2005 and the business was eventually sold by Jamie and his two co-founders at a 9 figure valuation.With so many brands now playing in the highly competitive apparel and athleisure market, it’s well worth listening to someone who has managed to build a $200m brand. Never content to bask in former glories, Jamie is at it again with Aviro, an antiviral clothing and facemask company, as well as a brand new performance sportswear brand Pressio which launches in January 2021.Jamie was a world-class Triathlete and we discuss the agonising sliding doors moment that saw him controversially miss out on the Sydney Olympic Games in 2000. We talk about the transferable skills he’s taken from sport to business, as well as the high rates of depression among founder/entrepreneurs. Jamie himself admits that on paper, he shouldn’t have been as successful as he has been. He wasn’t well-educated, and had a speech impediment to overcome, but he credits hard work and his religious faith for enabling him to exceed those early limitations.Links:Jamie Hunt / LinkedIn2XUAviroPressioHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"If you have to back someone in your life, surely the starting point is to back yourself"Born in Scotland and now living in England, David Yarrow is one of the most famous fine-art photographers in the world, known for his striking images of the natural world. He has built a cult following among A-list celebrities and collectors worldwide and deservedly so, with his unique perspective and attention to detail that borders on the obsessive. In 1986, as a young university student, David took the now iconic photograph of Diego Maradona lifting the World Cup in Mexico City. Before committing fully to photography later in life, David ran a large hedge fund, Clareville Capital, and we discuss what the world of high finance both gave and took from him, starting with the split-second decision he made on 9/11 that changed everything.David is an amplifier of nature, a romanticist, and has a deep seated fear of the mundane. His career has brought him into contact with presidents, Hollywood stars, sporting legends and supermodels. He has visited remote places that very few people on the planet have access to, and he generously shares many lessons and anecdotes from this rich tapestry that all of us can apply to our own lives.Links:https://davidyarrow.photography/Instagram: @davidyarrow - 100% worth following Home of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribeOther mentions:Josh Waitzkin on the Tim Ferriss ShowFooled by Randomness - Naseem Nicholas TalebUBS Ambassador
"You should do what you love, not what you feel you're supposed to do"Voted the 25th most powerful person in the world of wine in Decanter's 2013 Power List, Jeannie Cho Lee became the first ever Asian Master of Wine in 2008; an exclusive title that fewer than 450 people in the entire world currently hold. A hedonist and great lover of food and wine, she is an award winning author, founder of Le Pan and has been a contributing editor for Forbes, Robb Report and Decanter magazines. Aside from judging at global competitions, she also has the enviable jobs of consulting for the Galaxy Macau and curating the wine list for Singapore Airlines. She is also the resident Professor of Wine at HK Polytechnic University.  Most importantly, Jeannie is someone that has made her life's passion her profession, and done it in such a way that always respected and protected the things she loves the most. Her values and principles are incredibly admirable and we cover:- The language of wine and achieving 'multiple palate orgasms'- How 'acceptable stress' is good for you- Balancing career and family - Having a student mindset- Not everything that can be monetised should be monetised - Writing as therapy- The words that changed her lifeLinks:https://www.jeanniecholee.com/ Instagram: @jeanniecholeeTEDx Talk - How wine keeps you slim, healthy and humbleHome of the podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comInstagram: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribeOther mentions:Recorded at: Madame Fú Grand Café ChinoiseOz Clarke
"There will always be someone who has more than you, and someone who has less than you. Deal with it."Arthur Hayes is the CEO and Co-Founder of the 100x Group, the group behind BitMEX, one of the largest cryptocurrency derivatives trading platforms in the world. Never one to mince his words, Arthur is a flamboyant and often provocative figure in the world of crypto. His team created the most traded cryptocurrency product of all time, with overall trading volumes on the BitMEX exchange approaching $1 trillion USD last year according to Euromoney. It has been a remarkably rapid rise for Arthur Hayes since being released from his trading job at Citibank in 2013. He's accumulated generational wealth in just a few years and all before his 40th birthday. Luckily for me, Arthur and I have some great friends in common, so I was delighted when he agreed to carve out 60 minutes for the podcast. My first question reveals a softer side to the man, before we go on to discuss:The @cryptohayes approach to Twitter Philanthropy and giving back to his communityThe power of FOMOIf getting fired by Citibank fuelled him The best thing about having moneyLinks:Twitter: @cryptohayesBitMEX blog100x GroupIf you want to send Arthur a gift 'Lindy effect' in literature explainedFour Fox Saké Home of the Podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comIG: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
“It’s a bit of an extreme challenge. I’m sure people think I’m insane and it’s stupid, but it’s not. It’s going to work.”Jeff Rotmeyer is a special human being. The founder and CEO of two NGO's, he was born and raised on the West Coast of Canada and moved to Hong Kong 15 years ago as a fresh-faced young English teacher. In 2017, reluctant to pay lawyers for two days work instead of one, he registered two new charities on the same day. Giving up his career as an English Teacher, Jeff doubled-down on his commitment to helping some of the most disadvantaged and marginalised communities. ImpactHK serves the city’s homeless population with cooked meals, love, and friendship every single day of the week on their now famous ‘kindness walks’. Driven by a dedicated team of volunteers, the charity has helped hundreds of people with finding accommodation, drug rehabilitation, and gainful employment. Half of their full-time employees used to live on the streets, and many more have had their lives transformed as a result of Jeff’s vision for a kinder world.Love21Foundation exists to help the families of kids with Autism and Down Syndrome reach their full potential. Emphasis is placed on helping low-income and single-parent families who would otherwise struggle with the enormous financial costs and lack of access to activities that many of us take for granted. Both organisations have been enormously successful in recent years in building awareness and delivering real change, thanks in large part to Jeff’s insatiable work ethic and passion for creating a more inclusive and compassionate society. We talk about:Why he never gets discouragedGuilt at not doing more (yes even he feels guilty)Why a former school teacher doesn't send his kid to schoolThe healing power of mother natureThe legacy he hopes to leave behindLinks:ImpactHK Facebook PageLove21Foundation Facebook PageHome of the Podcast:www.michaelxcampion.comIG: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"When you do your first big punchline, and you have a crowd whiplashing and applauding...something happens to you. It's an out of body experience. That particular skillset is a good gift to give back to the world"  Ben is the Founder & CEO of Quinlan & Associates, an independent strategy consulting firm, specialising in the financial services industry. He set up the firm back in 2016 having paid his dues in the Investment Banking world at UBS and Deutsche Bank, and in the Management Consulting world with Oliver Wyman. You’ll often see Ben quoted for his market views on Bloomberg, CNBC, and Reuters. Ben is also heavily involved in the rapidly growing Fintech scene here in Asia and just a few days prior to recording this he was elected as the new Chairman of the Fintech Association of Hong Kong.The secret sauce that makes Ben unique is that come Friday night he leaves the boardroom, swaps his suit and tie for a t-shirt and jeans, and performs on stage as a Stand-up Comedian. He is a regular headliner at Comedy Clubs all across Asia, won the 2017 Hong Kong International Comedy Festival and has opened for a number of big international comedians on their Asian tours, including Russell Howard, Kevin Bridges and Tom Segura. One of my favourite sayings is that clarity of speech, reflects clarity of thought, and in that regard, this episode is an absolute masterclass. We touch on many topics including:Ben's philosophy on leadership and building successful teams The importance of doing what you loveThe sacrifices involved in running your own business His worst ‘bomb’ on stage as a comedian How humour gives him an advantage in the workplace How watching his father live out his dream was the best lesson he ever got in what it means to live a successful life.Links:Benjamin Quinlan on LinkedInQuinlan & Associates Comedian & Speaker ProfileTEDx - Creativity at your feetTEDx - Supercharged FearHome of the Podcast: www.michaelxcampion.com IG: @playingtheinnergame@michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribeOther mentions:Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now
"We lose people we love, we lose jobs...and we survive, and keep going".Michaela and I met on the set of Season 1 of 'The Social Movement', a new TV Series soon to be released on Amazon Prime. Whilst on set, "leaving things better than we found them", became our unofficial team motto, and Michaela embodies that spirit as well as anyone I know.Michaela is a leading voice and Learning Instructor on LinkedIn, as well as a highly sought after keynote speaker in the social media and marketing space. In a time when positive female role models are needed more than ever, Michaela’s journey from a self-conscious, agoraphobic job-seeker, to powerhouse speaker and entrepreneur is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit. Calm seas don’t make skilled sailors, and Michaela has weathered her fair share of storms. We talk about some really deep issues - harassment in the workplace, racism, grief, eating disorders and overwhelming anxiety. On paper, it sounds like a really depressing episode but that could not be further from the truth. Michaela has processed these experiences and emotions so well, that we were able to talk about them with a lightness and curiosity that I think will really benefit a lot of our listeners. She is a fantastic communicator and very funny, so there are some great one-liners, plus a ton of excellent career advice and actionable tips on public speaking.Links:https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelaalexis/IG: @mickalexisK-Swiss Self Belief Shoe by Michaela Alexis Home of the Podcast: www.michaelxcampion.com IG: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
It’s hard to beat the guy that just refuses to give up. Jason Tobin is a Hollywood Actor and local Hong Kong boy done good. Growing up between boarding school in Essex, England and Hong Kong, he would ride the school bus dreaming of starring in movies like his idol Bruce Lee. Decades later, he's a lead actor on the critically acclaimed HBO Cinemax Hit Series ‘Warrior’, a show based on the writings of his hero and produced by Bruce’s daughter, Shannon Lee. He has also starred in the Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift and been cast again in the upcoming Fast and Furious 9 movie, F9, with his long time friend and superstar director, Justin Lin, which will be released in 2021. This is not a story about glitz and glamour, this is a story of grit, $0.99 burgers, and a steely determination to succeed. Struggling for almost a quarter of a century before reaching the summit has kept him incredibly humble, and his genuine gratitude for everything that comes his way shines throughJason and I cover a lot of ground. We talk about consistency, what it means to provide for his family, suffering panic attacks before auditions, enjoying the process more than the outcome, mixed-race identity, plus the added difficulties of being an Asian actor in Hollywood. I even got a little acting lesson thrown in, which was fun and unexpected. Links:IG: @jsntbn@thefastsagaF9: https://www.thefastsaga.com/ Jasmine - https://www.amazon.com/Jasmine-Jason-Tobin/dp/B073RRLPFNWarrior - https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/warrior-season-1/id1464717629 Home of the podcast - www.michaelxcampion.com IG: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
Introducing the most interesting man you've never heard of.Andrew is an independent filmmaker, videographer and photojournalist. He is extremely private and a wonderfully entertaining storyteller. He recounts fascinating memories of covering the Hong Kong Protests, near death experiences in Chernobyl, his disturbing conversations with a child monk in the holiest place on earth, and a romantic encounter with a very special cactus. If you’re really pressed for time and just want to hear how I confront an old friend with hard truths, about how they need to stop self-handicapping and holding themselves back, then you can skip forward to 1:00 and join us in the deep end... I’m grateful that he was able to share his battle with depression so openly and that he didn’t mind if it was aired in public, which unfortunately... it never will be. As a result of me failing to set my equipment properly, Andrew and I spoke for well over an hour before I even started recording. Any opportunity for men to talk publicly about mental health is vitally important, and losing this beautiful conversation will always haunt me. Nevertheless, I still think it worth mentioning in this way before you listen to this episode, because it gives colour to everything that he has achieved and experienced since overcoming those demons. Demons that still whisper to him (that whisper to so many of us) daily. Links:'What a wonderful world' - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2393556087567345The Zone, Chernobyl & Pripyat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDBKtSA2dZI&feature=youtu.beHome of the podcast - www.michaelxcampion.com IG: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
"I've never considered myself so talented that I could just coast. But I'll outwork you, I'll go into a depth that you aren't willing to go to, and that's just what I know best"Eugene was the first ever Editorial Director at HYPEBEAST where over the course of 8 years, he helped transform a niche blog for sneaker fans, into the global driving force of men's streetwear and fashion that it is today. He is now the co-founder of MAEKAN, a story-driven audiovisual publication devoted to the sights and sounds of creative culture, and is also the Co-Founder of Adam Studios, a creative agency that has shot campaigns with the likes of Chris Pratt for TUMI, and David Beckham for Adidas Originals.We talk about: Lessons from our (short-lived) careers in professional footballThe nuance of ‘following your passion' Good advice for creators and startupsThe difficulty of monetising creative workWhy he refuses to fly business class Decoupling self-worth from net-worthHow never feeling good enough can actually work in our favourand much more. IG: Follow the man: @eugenekanIG: Follow the work: @maekan @adamstudios_ www.maekan.comOther mentions:@thatfoodcray@fourfoxsakeofficialHome of the podcast: www.michaelxcampion.comIG: @michaelxcampionJoin the weekly newsletter www.michaelxcampion.com/subscribe
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