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Last week’s episode circled around the taboo of motherhood in the dance world, the lack of a full time company in Ireland and the question of why there is comparatively so many women making dance work in Ireland. We’ll be following up and expanding on all these topics in this week’s episode. In this series we’ll be interviewing Irish women making dance in a virtual roundtable with MOSHMA host Emma Lister and her regular cohost Zoë Ashe-Browne, winner of the Constance Markievicz Award, 2021.Ep 3 - Roundtable part 2, Liz Roche, Liv O'Donoghue, Sibéal DavittThis mini series has been made possible by support from the Arts Council Ireland on behalf of the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media.REFERENCESDance Data Project statisticsNYTimes profile of DDP found Elizabeth Yntema
What do you think of when you think of Ireland? The Emerald Isle, Guinness, Oscar Wilde and Riverdance? What about women making dance? Because this tiny island turns out loads of them--just over 80% of recent dance bursary awardees were for women making work. In a time when the dance world is confronting the predominance of men in roles of leadership, what is Ireland getting right? Is it ahead of the curve?But where are these makers to go? Ireland does not have one permanent dance company...lots to discuss here!Over three episodes we’ll be interviewing Irish women making dance in a virtual roundtable with host Emma Lister and her regular cohost Zoë Ashe-Browne, winner of the Constance Markievicz Award, 2021.Roundtable part 1: Marguerite Donlon, Sarah Reynolds, Roisin WhelanThis mini series has been made possible by support from the Arts Council Ireland on behalf of the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media.REFERENCESDance Data Project StatisticsGender pay gap in Ireland in the Irish Timesand also here in RTE
Ahead of our first roundtable discussion with six women making dance in Ireland, Emma Lister and cohost Zoë Ashe-Browne give a (tiny) bit of Irish history and pose the driving question of this new mini series: In a time when the conversation in dance often turns to the predominance of men in roles of leadership, why are there so many women choreographing  in Ireland?Zoë Ashe-Browne  is the winner of the Markievicz Award 2021.This mini series has been made possible by support from the Arts Council Ireland on behalf of the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media.REFERENCESDance Data Project census 2021Lecture on Constance Markievicz by Prof Paseta
Dolly Brown is a photographer who specialises in documenting art and artists. She may be best known as her Instagram alterego: @londonlivingdoll. She's worked with The Royal Ballet, Barbican, Tate Modern, Trisha Brown Dance Company, BalletBoyz, Mark Morris Dance Group among many others and has exhibited in the London galleries such as Mother, Plinth, London Institute of Photography and Galerie Norbert Arns in Cologne.We spoke about one of her favourite shots of all time, why she likes to work on the periphery of her subjects and how Instagram subverted existing power dynamics within the photography industry. The 3 Question...Is there a piece of art that changed everything or you?James Joyce - UlyssesVirginia Woolf - Mrs DallowayIs there a piece of art or artist that you don't necessarily like, but you think has value?WagnerTell us about an artist that we may not know about but who we should check out.Gregory Spears, composerJan Svobada, photographer
Kalle Nio is a magician and visual artist based in Finland. He is co-drector/founder of the theatre company WHS and the recipient of numerous awards including the Finnish state prize for Multidisciplinary Art and the Helsinki Cultural Prize.In this episode he and host Emma Lister discuss Lähtö (Départ), a beautiful, uncategorizable theatre piece which he directs and performs in, as well as the connections between magic and early cinema, why Victorian magicians inspire him most and his 2016 piece, Cutting Edge.Kalle is another interview in our artist chain after having been nominated by Adrian Berry in the previous episode!Kallenio.comLähtö  trailerCutting Edge trailerThe 3 questions...Was there a piece of art that changed everything for you?Philippe Genty's DédaleWas there a piece of art that you didn't like but that you think has value?Xavier Le Roy's UntitledWho should the listeners know about who they may not?Tin Grabnar, theatre director of Somewhere Else
In the final episode of our three part miniseries, we zoom in to meet three dancers. They are all at different stages of their careers and their lives have been affected in different ways by the pandemic:GEAROID: 18 months into his professional career he is leaving his company job in Zurich. But, with the pandemic looming it is not the ideal time to go job hunting…TIA: A mid career freelancer, Tia is days away from opening night of AWDC performance at Sadler’s Wells when the UK gets its stay at home orders…MINTY: At a point in her career where she is dancing her dream roles, Minty can’t shake the feeling that there’s  another direction she should explore. Then Covid hit…In this episode we will also zoom out, looking at the larger picture of how dancers, whose performing years are so limited, have had their careers particularly altered by the pandemic.REFERENCES:Theresa Ruth Howard, companies sending dance floor to dancers in their homes, humanizes dancers.Freelancers Make Theatre Work analysis of challenges faced by performing arts sector freelancers NYTimes reports on artists losing health care coverage from unionsNYTimes says 35 is average retirement age for dancers 
The last 18 months have been a trying time for everyone’s mental health. But how have dancers been uniquely affected? A group of artists whose lives and identities are notoriously tied up in training and career—what happened when the theatres went dark and the studios fell silent?Through interviews with a range of dancers, host Emma Lister explores mental health during the pandemic— taking in depression, PTSD, body image issues, substance abuse…and some surprising positive effects too!Interviewees:Isaac BowryCrystal CostaAsh MukherjeeVanessa Vince Pangwith Kristen McGarrity, BSc (Hons) PsychologySURVEY RESULTSHas the Covid-19 pandemic affected your mental health negatively? (you can tick multiple) Anxiety | 73.65% Depression | 51.26% Insomnia | 31.77% Loneliness | 51.26% Boredom | 50.9% Fear | 44.04% Anger | 35.38% Obsessive behaviour | 19.13% Alcohol/substance abuse | 13.36% Stress | 64.98% PTSD | 6.86% Suicidal Thoughts | 9.75% No it hasn't affected me negatively | 4.69%Has the Covid-19 pandemic affected your mental health positively? (you can tick multiple)Time to reflect | 67.03%Time to rest | 63.41%Time to heal (physically or mentally) | 46.38%Spend more time with loved ones | 52.54%Reconnected with people | 28.62%No, there have been no positives | 5.43%REFERENCESPubMed articleForbes articleIn the UK and Ireland, Samaritans can be contacted on 116 123 or email jo@samaritans.org or jo@samaritans.ieIn the US, the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline is at 800-273-8255 or chat for supportOther international helplines can be found at www.befrienders.orgKristen’s references:Cooley, C.H. (1902) Human Nature and the Social Order, New York, Scribner.Hollway, W. (2012) Social Psychology Matter, The Open University, Milton Keynes, Chapter 5: Self, pp. 123 - 124.Mind.org.uk
In this, the first episode of our mini-series Dance in the Time of Corona, Emma Lister is joined by cohosts Zoë Ashe-Browne and Shelby Williams. They reveal the results of a survey they conducted after the controversial Venice Biennale College Danza audition call and the ensuing movement: #payyourdancers. The survey was open to ALL professional dancers, past and present. Respondents represented every corner of the dance world: Jazz dancers, tap dancers, commercial, Irish, Hip Hop, classical Indian, classical ballet, contemporary, musical theatre and ballroom.  What do they all have in common? Well, 92% had seen something advertised or were approached about unpaid work. When is this OK? When is it exploitative? How will the pandemic affect dancers being offered such work? Featuring an interview with Friedrich Pohl, of Dancers Connect.REFERENCES:www.dancersconnect.deFacebook thread from Venice Biennale College DanzaWhistle While You Work Royal Family Dance CrewBroadway show attendance80% of dancers in UK freelanceWest End box office figuresBallet Black Trainee position
Adrian Berry is Artistic Director of the UK's leading circus and arts centre, Jacksons Lane. He is also a producer, writer and director and wrote and directed the successful stage play From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broads, which toured the UK racking up 143 shows and has recently been released as a spoken word album on iTunes. He spoke to Emma from a North London park about  the newly renovated Jacksons Lane, why it was cathartic to write about his teenage eating disorder and how running away to Liverpool at 18 changed the course of his life.Listen to From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broads on iTunes HEREJacksons Lane's website: www.jacksonslane.org.ukThe 3 Questions...Was there a piece of art that changed everything?Seeing Belgian theatre group Peeping Tom perform 32 rue Vanderbranden Is there a piece of art that you didn’t love, but you respect or think has value?The films of Peter GreenawayWho should we check out that we may not know about?Musician Shuggie Otis and magician Kalle Nio 
Stina Quagebeur is the associate choreographer and a first artist at English National Ballet. Nora, her first mainstage choreographic work for ENB, was based on Henrik Ibsen's A Doll's House and premiered at Sadler's Wells in 2019. Since then she has been choreographing steadily for the company; most recently the duet Hollow and the raucous Take Five Blues, both of which finally had their post-lockdown premiere to a live audience.In this episode, host Emma Lister and she discuss making narrative vs abstract work, her obsessive research and how she can rely on her 'gut feeling' when making decisions in the studio.Stina's Instagram: @stinachoreographerStina's website: www.stinachoreographer.comYou can rent Take Five Blues from English National Ballet's "Ballet on Demand" HEREThe 3 Questions...Was there a piece of art that changed everything?Swan Lake, and working with contemporary choreographers Russell Maliphant and Akram Khan. Is there a piece of art that you didn’t love, but you respect or think has value?The work of choreographer Pina Bausch Who should we check out that we may not know about?Director Emma Rice and her company Wise Children
Manjinder Virk is an actor, writer and director. As an actor she can currently be seen on The Beast Must Die with Jared Harris and Cush Jumbo on Britbox, and is shooting Jed Mercurio’s Trigger Point for ITV. On film she stars in the documentary The Arbor, for which she received acting nominations from the BFI and British Independent Film Awards. As a writer director one of her works, a short film Out of Darkness won Best of Fest award at the Aesthetica Short Film Festival in 2013.In this, the first episode of season 3, host Emma Lister and Manjinder discuss how her dance training enriches her acting, why she feels it’s important to be creative without judgement and what life event inspired her award winning short film. Manjinder’s interview is another link in our ‘artist chain’ after having been nominated by Rhoda Ofori-Attah in season 1!Watch Manjinder's film Out of Darkness HEREManjinder's Instagram:  @manjinder23Twitter: manjinder_virkThe 3 Questions...Was there a piece of art that changed everything?Derervo, clown troupeIs there a piece of art that you didn’t love, but you respect or think has value?Comedy as a genre Who should we check out that we may not know about?Artists and writers:  Amber Lone, Sue Vincent, Rhiannon Tisse
Season 3 of MOVERS SHAKERS MAKERS is out now!Featuring a new set of interviews with fascinating artists and the mini-series: DANCE IN THE TIME OF CORONA. Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen...www.makeshiftcompany.com
In the last episode of series 2, Emma talks to Alice Williamson--a difficult artist to categorise. Essentially, she works with movement and design, be it making costumes or dancewear for her label Designed by Alice, her photography and illustrative work, toy design, research on 'skin hunger' or her collaboration with Dr. Merrit Moore combining robotics and dance.Her design work begun when she had a parallel career as a ballet dancer in companies such as: Hong Kong Ballet, Northern Ballet and Staatsoper Ballet Berlin. She talks to Emma about staying creative when you're in a big organisation, her new found love of robotics and the journey a fishing net takes to become recyclable fabric for her “thoughtful” dancewear.Alice's websitewww.Designedbyalice.co.ukInstagram:@designedbyalice@shop_designedbyaliceThe last three questions.....  PIECE THAT CHANGED EVERYTHINGNope. There wasn’t one!PIECE THAT DIDN’T LOVE BUT HAS VALUEAI: More than Human exhibit at The Barbican NOMINATE AN ARTIST FOR US TO CHECK OUTNeri Oxman, designer
Juggler Sean Gandini and his partner Kati Ylä-Hokkala have built one of the UK’s most successful contemporary circus companies: Gandini Juggling. Gandini has directed multiple full length circus pieces: Spring, 4x4: Ephemeral Architectures, Sigma and of course Smashed, their Pina Bausch inspired mega-hit that has toured the world. He also has the Olivier Award winning Philip Glass opera Akhnaten under his belt as choreographer and is currently working on LIFE, a new piece with the Cunningham Foundation. But, just to be contrary, we decided to talk about an earlier piece, a darker piece, a less loved piece...CLØWNS & QUEENS premiered in 2013. Right after their hit Smashed. For them, it is a relatively little performed piece; an investigation of the perversity of circus. There is nudity, the threat of violence, actual violence….and some baroque music.Watch a full version of CLØWNS & QUEENS  HERE!Direction: Sean Gandini and Kati Ylä-HokkalaDramaturge: John Paul ZaccariniLighting Design: Jean-Ba LaudeCostume Design: Gemma BanksJuggling based on ideas: Sakari MännistöPerformers: Caterina Boschetti, Marinna De Sanctis, Iñaki Fernández Sastre, Sean Gandini, Doreen Großman, Christelle Hersscher, Sakari Männistö, Francesca Mari, Silvia Pavone, Jon Udry, Kati Ylä-Hokkala, Cecilia ZuchettiGandini Juggling WebsiteCLØWNS & QUEENS  WebsiteBook referenced in interview:Thomas Wilson's biography of Gandini Juggling: Juggling TrajectoriesAvailable from Gandini Press WebsiteThe last three questions..... PIECE THAT CHANGED EVERYTHINGJuggler Sergei Ignatov’s juggling to ChopinThe work of choreographer Merce Cunningham PIECE THAT DIDN’T LOVE BUT HAS VALUESoviet propaganda art, or other morally didactic work.NOMINATE AN ARTIST FOR US TO CHECK OUTThe work of choreographer Jonathan BurrowsThis season of MOVERS SHAKERS MAKERS has been made possible by grants from the Norfolk Arts Project Fund and using public funding by the National Lottery through  Arts Council England.
Why is the bullying of boys who want to take ballet so persistent? Emma Lister seeks to answer this question and why their love of dance is often defended with the usual football comparison/"real men lift women" trope. In the final episode of of our mini-series, Ballet for the Twenty-first Century, we'll open up topics such as: body image, casting, role models, gendered ballet technique, The Billy Elliot Effect and homophobia.Special guests: Denzil Bailey, Richard Bermange, James Forbat, Matthew Paluch and Mark Samaras.---Articles or videos we referenced in the ep---M. Paluch. (2019). There's an elephant in the room and it's gay.... Dancing Times. October 2019, p29-31. www.dancing-times.co.ukHere's a link to the conversation with Kenneth Tharp and Royal Ballet dancers for Black History MonthThis mini-series  has been made possible by a grant  using public funding by the National Lottery through Arts Council England.
In this episode of MOVERS SHAKERS MAKERS mini-series, Ballet for the Twenty-first Century, Emma Lister and guest Phil Chan discuss his first book Final Bow for Yellowface: Dancing Between Intention and Impact, and his upcoming work, Shades of the Orient, in which Chan supports his claim that Orientalism is one of the major pillars of classical ballet. He puts forward some constructive solutions on how to stage problematic works (La Bayadère set in 1930's Hollywood anyone?!) and discusses the impact that recent social justice movements have had on ballet companies.Chan is cofounder of Final Bow for Yellowface, a pledge to eradicate outdated portrayals of Asians on stages the world over. To date, almost every major American ballet company has signed this pledge, and several international companies as well.Final Bow for Yellowface Website:www.yellowface.orgFollow them on Instagram: @finalbowforyellowfaceTHIS EPISODE HAS BEEN AUDIO TRANSCRIBED.This mini-series  has been made possible by a grant  using public funding by the National Lottery through Arts Council England.
In part II of our episode on mental health and the classically trained ballet dancer, Emma Lister talks to counsellor (and ex-dancer) Terry Hyde. They discuss the symptoms and triggers of panic attacks and depression, the loss of identity that plagues dancers when they leave the profession and the danger of pushing your feelings away. Terry also speak frankly about how the dance world needs to ‘call out the bullies’.If you missed part I of this episode, go back and listen to it now! In it, Emma is joined by cohost Zoë Ashe-Browne, they discuss a 30 question survey released to ballet dancers with questions about their mental health, training and professional life -- over 400 hundred dancers took part.Zoë, joins us near the end of the show to put forward some constructive suggestions for the dance world based on what we've learnt.Terry Hyde MA MBACPwww.counsellingfordancers.comEPISODE FEEDBACK EMAIL: makeshiftcompany@gmail.comInstagram: @makeshiftcompanyTwitter: @moshmapodThis episode was slightly altered April, 2021This mini-series  has been made possible by a grant  using public funding by the National Lottery through Arts Council England....and here's the Theresa Ruth Howard talk that Shelby Williams referenced in Pt I.
Emma Lister and cohost Zoë Ashe-Browne released a 30 question survey about ballet dancers' mental health. They never expected the response it got--hundreds of classically trained dancers filled it out. This is obviously a topic we need to talk about!In this, the first episode of MOVERS SHAKERS MAKERS ballet mini-series, they reveal some of the statistics collected, the stories shared and speak candidly about what it all means. Special guests: Barry Drummond, Alex Newton, Shelby Williams—THE SURVEY—30 questions. Completed by over 400 trained ballet dancers. Graduated 2010-2020: 45%  and pre1990-2010: 55% .*Below are only the results discussed in the podcast*SCHOOL LIFETo the best of my knowledge, my school had qualified, professional teachers:Strongly agree 51.69%Agree 37.3%Neither agree nor disagree 6.29%Disagree 3.6%Strongly disagree 1.12%I received a well rounded dance education.  (Not an exhaustive list): injury prevention, professional development, physical maintenance, performance experience, access to counselling, nutrition, other dance forms, dance theory:Yes 52.36%Not sure 10.56%No 37.08%In ballet school I felt I could voice my concerns or questions:Strongly agree 3.37%Agree 15.96%Neither agree nor disagree 22.25%Disagree 35.06%Strongly disagree 23.37I experienced first-hand (either witnessed or personal experienced) verbal abuse from my ballet school staff: bad language, yelling (in anger, not above the music!), comment that made me feel uncomfortable, comment that made me feel bad about myself:Strongly agree 50.11%Agree 31.69%Neither agree nor disagree 5.17%Disagree 10.11%Strongly disagree 2.92%I experienced eating distress in school: guilt after eating, restricted calorie intake, purging, obsessive thoughts about weight, obsessive eating habits, extreme negative thoughts about body shape:I did not suffer from eating distress 18.88%I experienced sexually inappropriate behaviour from staff at my ballet school:Strongly agree 11.01%Agree 19.33%Neither agree nor disagree 10.34%Disagree 31.46%Strongly disagree 27.87%If you experienced sexually inappropriate, homophobic, sexist, racist behaviour, did you report it or talk about with another adult? Yes 12.97%No 58.54%Didn’t know who to report it to 28.48%PROFESSIONAL LIFEIn my career I have predominantly been under the care of professional, experienced staff:Strongly agree 16.97%Agree 40.43%Neither agree nor disagree 21.30%Disagree 18.77%Strongly disagree 2.53%I experienced verbal abuse from staff in my work place (examples as before):Strongly agree 38.04%Agree 35.14%Neither agree nor disagree 10.14%Disagree 11.96%Strong disagree 4.71I have a positive relationship with at least one member of staff where I work/recent long contract:Strongly agree 33.45%Agree 53.09%Neither agree nor disagree 8%Disagree 4%Strong disagree 1.45%I experienced eating distress in professional life (symptoms as before):I did not suffer from eating distress 22.26% I experienced sexually inappropriate behaviour from staff in my work place:Strongly agree 15.58%Agree 25.72%Neither agree nor disagree 13.04%Disagree 26.81%Strong disagree 18.84%I have access to professional help with my mental health through my employer/s:Strongly agree 4.35%Agree 12.32%Neither agree nor disagree 12.32%Disagree 35.51%Strong disagree 35.51%
Performance poet, Piers Harrison-Reid rose to national visibility with a poem that bridged two of the UK’s greatest institutions: The National Health Services and the BBC. The poem Love is for the Brave, an ode to the NHS was commissioned by the BBC and has garnered a million views and counting across various platforms. With roots in hip hop, dub and slam poetry Piers’ poems are often vehicle for potent political and social commentary and are therefore in demand on news media as immediate responses to world events. Like his response to the latest wave of BLM uprising More Blacks, More Dogs, More Irish, which he says brought with it a surprising, disappointing amount of negative response. Did I mention he’s also an A&E nurse?THIS EPISODE HAS BEEN AUDIO TRANSCRIBED.Piers' Websitepiersthepoet.co.ukLinks to videos discussed in the epidose:More Blacks, More Dogs, More Irish Car Crash People Jenny Love is for the brave I (2018)Love is for the brave II (2020)The last three questions.....PIECE THAT CHANGED EVERYTHINGKahlil Gibran’s The Prophet PIECE THAT DIDN’T LOVE BUT HAS VALUEExperimental Film, i.e. Richard Linklater’s Waking Life NOMINATE AN ARTIST FOR US TO CHECK OUTMusician, The Heartseas KidPoet, Kae Tempest This season of MOVERS SHAKERS MAKERS has been made possible by grants from the Norfolk Arts Project Fund and using public funding by the National Lottery through  Arts Council England.
Monique Jonas is still only at the beginning of her dance career and she’s already worked with Rambert Dance, Kim Brandstrup, New Adventures and Richard Alston Dance Company. Not only that, but she’s also started her own company-- Jona Dance Company . She talks to Emma Lister about how aged 6 a twist of fate introduced her to dance, the frustrations that led her to start her own company, as well as her work on the Young King music video and the creation of her newly commissioned piece for Matthew Bourne’s Adventures in Film, Checkmate.JONA DANCE www.monique-jonadance.comINSTA: @jona_dance_company INSTA: @mon_jonas Watch the Young King video here!Watch Checkmate, for Adventures in Film here! The last three questions...PIECE THAT CHANGED EVERYTHINGSchool trip to see Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater perform: Alvin Ailey’s Revelations PIECE THAT DIDN’T LOVE BUT HAS VALUEJust Us Dance Theatre’s Born to Manifest NOMINATE AN ARTIST FOR US TO CHECK OUTRhys Dennis and Waddah Sinada‘s dance company: FUBUNATIONwww.fubunation.orgThis season of MOVERS SHAKERS MAKERS has been made possible by grants from the Norfolk Arts Project Fund and using public funding by the National Lottery through  Arts Council England.
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