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Data is the new gold. In the era of COVID-19, companies that have mastered the digital landscape will lead the way to reopening economies across the globe. In Decrypted Unscripted, we examine the privacy landscape, from regulatory developments to litigation trends. Hosted by Perkins Coie partners Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman, we explore strategies for compliance with evolving privacy laws through unscripted conversations with C-suite execs, regulators, and leading privacy and data security professionals. These timely discussions are essential listening for anyone managing data as a pre-tangible asset and preparing vigorous defenses against the next wave of privacy and data security class actions.
33 Episodes
With the recent attacks on the Colonial Pipeline and JBS Food, ransomware has become a serious national security issue. Join Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman in a discussion with Philip Reiner about the critical importance of establishing basic internet security standards. Phillip believes that our neglect in this area has been inexplicable if not inexcusable, and describes how his Institute for Security and Technology was asked to support the Ransomware Task Force to address the critical need for improving basic cybersecurity standards. Philip Reiner is the chief executive officer of the Institute for Security and Technology. His decades of experience in technology and international security include a position as President Obama’s Senior Director for South Asia on the National Security Council staff. While serving in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in the Pentagon, he received the Office of the Secretary of Defense Medal for Exceptional Civilian Service
Anja Shortland joins Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman to discuss how the underground ransomware ecosystem functions and why cybersecurity experts have created a scale to define the reliability of information hostage-takers. She outlines some of the simple data protections that companies can follow to comply with President Biden’s executive order and shares how cyber insurance helps or hinders real-life information safety.Anja is a professor of political economy at King’s College London, specializing in the economics of crime. She studies private governance in the world’s trickiest markets—hostages, fine art, and antiquities—and how people live, trade, and invest in complex and hostile territories. Although her work is often based on data analysis, it cuts across disciplinary boundaries, adopting techniques and insights from sociology, engineering, geography, politics, international relations, and economics.
Join Dominique Shelton Leipzig and Los Angeles Police Commission President Eileen Decker in an illuminating perspective on the Commission’s use of automated license plate reader (APLR) technology. This technology was discussed by NYU Professor Barry Friedman, founder of the NYU Policing Project. The NYU Policing Project brings together stakeholders, business representatives, police departments, and the community to tackle the technology-driven issues at the intersection of public safety and social justice. Eileen responds to questions raised in Episode 30 and discusses balancing the use of technology in policing with fairness and privacy. Eileen provides a different, and perhaps complementary, perspective from Professor Friedman’s take on license plate reading practices in Los Angeles. Listen and we will let you decide!
Join Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman in their fascinating conversation with New York University Law School Professor Barry Friedman, as he discusses his work founding the Policing Project. The Policing Project brings together stakeholders, business representatives, police departments, and the community to tackle the technology-driven issues at the intersection of public safety and social justice. Professor Friedman addresses solutions-driven approaches to policing issues created by the over collection and under collection of data. He also addresses the technology around license plate reading practices in Los Angeles, followed by a differing perspective from LA Police Commission President Eileen Decker. NYU Policing Project Act of Force
Join Dominique and David and their guests Howard Wu and Sina Kian of Aleo. Howard and Sina care about privacy and the dangers of blockchain transparency. They describe how they have used Zero Knowledge Proof to change the way transactions on blockchain are verified so that the verification can be done privately—not only protecting the users’ personal data but dramatically extending the design space for applications. They tell us how this has profound implications for the internet of the future—Internet 3.0. These guys are super smart—Howard collaborated with prominent academics from Berkley and Cornell to publish the breakthrough paper on Zero Knowledge Proof, Zexe: Enabling Decentralized Private Computation. Sina is also extremely impressive as he went from law school and a clerkship for Chief Justice Roberts to a becoming a blockchain entrepreneur. Hear them discuss blockchain, privacy, and Internet 3.0, as well as the development of cryptocurrency and their goals to create a compliance regime and technology that structurally protects the consumer. This is dense and heady and big-time important as cryptocurrency evolves and blockchain technology assumes increasing significance in our lives.You can find the paper at this link:
Join Dominique and David as they speak with Gillian Tett, Chair of the Editorial Board and Editor-at-Large US of the Financial Times, about her new book, Anthro-Vision which describes vividly how big data cannot solve all problems and in fact creates blinders and biases that can be uncovered with an anthropological lens. Gillian is no slouch. She predicted the 2008 financial crisis based on her studies of the tribal customs of high yield mortgage bond traders. She also is also the co-founder of FT Moral Money, a twice weekly newsletter that was way ahead of its time in tracking the ESG revolution in business. We could go on about her other books (see Silo Effect) and awards (including being named as one of the World’s Top 50 Thinkers). We had a great time discussing the privacy issues, including the barter system where consumers trade data for web based services, and how Gillian transformed herself from a bohemian anthropologist to one of the most forceful voices in the financial services industry.
Kurtis Minder is the founder and CEO of GroupSense. He is one of very few with significant experience negotiating with the “bad guys” during ransomware attacks. GroupSense offers digital risk protection from threats across all environments, and Kurtis himself has over 20 years of information security experience spanning operations, design, and business development. He has successfully guided the company in developing an innovative approach to cyber intelligence.Kurtis joins Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman on the Decrypted Unscripted podcast to discuss how GroupSense’s team of cyberspies knows how to find where the bad guys are operating and work with clients to protect their data. He describes in detail how he became the “go-to” ransomware negotiator in the country. He also explains the dark web and how it helps criminals steal information and shares why his team has seen a steady increase in threat actors accessing data remotely over the last 12 months.Kurtis was featured in an article in The New Yorker, titled “How to Negotiate with Ransomware Hackers,” on 6/7/2021. You can find the article here:
In this conversation, Dominique and David talk with cybersecurity expert Vinu Nair who works for one of the world’s largest cyber insurers. Vinu discusses not only the trends for preventing cyberattacks, but also what companies can do today to prevent future damage to their brand and value. The conversation covers the importance of cyber for corporate leaders in the C-suite and the boardroom, as well as recent ransomware attacks on critical targets like Colonial Pipeline, healthcare systems, and food supply. There is also a robust discussion regarding the role governments can/will play in the fight against ransomware and cybercrimes that are threatening societal structures.
CSI meets CCPA and you will love it. Dr. Mason is a world leader in genetic mapping and genomics and professor of Physiology and Biophysics, and Computational Genomics at Weill Cornell Medical College. He talks about the privacy of your personal genetic code and ways that can be protected. As Chris says, without protections “Once your dna code is out there, it is out there” and if you have had some episodes in life you would sooner forget, don’t pass along your DNA for testing. He also talks about the critical role genomics has played in tracking and fighting the COVID virus and the development of the first two COVID vaccines. Listen as Chris talks about genetics for tracking serial killers, mapping the genes in subway systems, and his genetic work on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also, check out Chris’ supercool new book about modifying our genes so we can survive on other planets, “The Next 500 Years: Engineering Life to Reach New Worlds"
Massachusetts Activist Kade Crockford at the ACLU described to David and Dominique how Kade worked with Boston Celtics players to Urge Social Justice and Anti-Discrimination in that state’s facial recognition law.
Dominique and David speak to Perkins Coie alumni, Jim Sfekas. Jim left Perkins to join Microsoft in 2012 and now leads Microsoft’s cybersecurity legal function. Jim talks about the tensions between protecting the internet, which requires tracking of criminals across the globe, and the goals of privacy to make data uses transparent. Through discussion, the group sees how the two goals of security and privacy can work together.
Join Dave Biderman and Dominique Shelton Leipzig in a discussion with Ron Whitworth, chief privacy officer of Truist, one of the largest financial institutions in the United States. Ron will share about how financial institutions find themselves contending with global privacy laws, though they already are some of the world’s most highly regulated entities.
Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman have an inspiring conversation with Jessica Rich, the former head of the Commercial Division of the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and a current professor at Georgetown University Law Center. Jessica discusses how the United States can regain leadership in the area of data, even as we await a federal privacy law.
Dominique Shelton Leipzig and David Biderman meet with Google’s Chief Privacy Officer Keith Enright, one of the world’s most engaged privacy officers. Their conversation includes a discussion of Google’s public-private partnerships and how the efforts are helping tackle broad societal challenges like COVID-19.
Do you own a company and ever worry about whether our practices are meeting new privacy laws. You are not alone. There are 142 + countries with data protection laws around the globe. US is one of the most litigious countries around the world. Here David and Dominique speak to famed US privacy lawyer Scott Kamber about how privacy litigation has evolved over the past 30 years and what we can learn about the future with so much of our lives dependent on technology.
Join us for a gripping conversation with Julie Cordua, chief executive officer of Thorn, an anti-human trafficking organization founded by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore. Thorn’s mission is to develop technology to defend children from abuse online and to remove all child sexual abuse material from the internet. Thorn's technology has helped identify more than 14,000 child victims of abuse and has reduced investigative time by more than 65%. Julie will discuss how Thorn’s technology has clashed with European privacy officials, who have objected to the use of facial recognition and other technology utilized by Thorn to identify and rescue victims of child sexual abuse and pornography. Also, see Julie’s TedTalk “How we can eliminate child sexual abuse material from the internet.”: can find more about Thorn at
Join Dominique and David in a wide-ranging conversation with Kalinda Raina, vice president, chief privacy officer for LinkedIn, the world’s leading professional social networking site. Their discussion will include Kalinda’s career path, her current worldwide responsibilities, and the challenge of adhering to the privacy demands of the LinkedIn community and the multiple state and national privacy laws.Check out Kalinda's youtube channel at this ;ink:
Zoe Philippides was the Chief Privacy Officer of Amgen, a Southern California pharmaceutical company focused on developing state-of-the-art treatments and drugs. She is now the Chief Privacy Officer of one of the largest healthcare providers in the country. Zoe shares her journey through the privacy world and the critical privacy issues that a cutting-edge company such as Amgen confronts.
COVID-19 has made it clear that the future of health is technology. From apps and contact tracing to websites announcing virus testing and vaccines, technology is at the core. In this episode, David and Dominique speak with Verily Inc.’s General Counsel Cynthia Patton about her journey to leading the legal department of one of the most technologically savvy life science and healthcare companies in the world. Owned by Alphabet, Inc, (that also owns Google), Verily is at the cross-section of technology and health. Hear what it is like to consider data management in the healthtech space at this seminal moment in time.
Join Dominique and David as they talk with Jim Steyer, the founder of Commonsense Media (, a Stanford civil rights professor, and author of "Which Side of History?" about the role of privacy in an increasingly digitized society. This conversation explores the critical role that technology plays in all of our lives and how it can help or hinder us in addressing difficult problems such as disinformation, bias, and inequity in the online world. From community and commercial perspectives, the discussion covers what can be done to make society flourish (not flounder) through data.
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