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Author: Sacha and Ish

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Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.

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Send a text Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 250: Always Be Learning (ABL) - And Why Sacha Wears the Same Outfit All Week Sacha's wearing the same outfit she wore yesterday (and will wear all week) following the Steve Jobs/Angela Merkel/Hillary Clinton uniform approach to reduce decision fatigue. Ish just learned this today after recording back-to-back sessions. This kicks off a conversation about ABL - Always Be Learning - exploring how our brains work, what we're teaching ourselves without r...
Send us a text Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 249: How to Be Agreeably Disagreeable Sacha's experimenting with fake tan for the first time at nearly 53 (she looks like a giraffe's coat of many colors, according to her assessment), while Ish is fresh from the gym, sweaty and smelly (lucky they record on line). Today's topic: How do you disagree without becoming a career-limiting liability? How do you challenge ideas without tearing people down? Main Topics The Contrarian Personality -- Sacha ...
Send us a text MWM - One-Shot Moments Ish watched Ed Sheeran's Netflix special - one continuous hour-long shot following him from gig to gig across New York. No cuts, no edits, just seamless performance requiring massive preparation. It got him thinking: How many one-shot moments do we have in our lives where we just wing it instead of doing the prep that moment deserves? Main Topic The One-Shot Reality -- First impressions, crucial interviews, important presentations, make-or-break meetings....
Send us a text Episode 248 It's Wednesday - traditionally "hump day" - but Sacha and Ish are rebranding it as "dump day" because they both have the minds of 12-year-old boys and can't get past the fornication implications. This episode is all about mental decluttering: getting the thoughts, tasks, and guilt out of your head so you can actually focus on what matters. From constipation metaphors to earthquake guilt, they cover why carrying less helps you show up as your best self. Main Topics T...
Send us a text The Not So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini Episode: What Is Your Shadow? Episode Summary Every strength has a shadow side. If Superman were evil, he'd have all his abilities but use them for harm. This quick mini explores the downside of your strengths—from being the idea person who never finishes anything, to being so helpful you burn out and resent everyone. The trick? Take micro-pauses to ask: Does this situation need my strength right now, or am I best served by pulling...
Send us a text Episode Show Notes Season 8 kicks off with Sacha unpacking boxes in her new Christchurch home (can't find her microphone lead!) and Ish fresh from the holidays. This episode tackles a question they get all the time: how do you speak without notes? They break down what notes actually are, when to use them (spoiler: funerals and podcasts), and why reading to your audience means you should have just sent an email. Plus: UK Traitors' enthusiasm and why nobody actually cares w...
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Send us a text Season 8 Announcement: Help Us Grow! Happy New Year 2026! A quick message before Season 8 drops. We're excited to bring you more leadership, career development, and occasional chaos - but we need your help to grow the show. Three Ways You Can Help: Share an Episode - If there's an episode you enjoyed, share it with one person who'd get a laugh or a takeaway. Seriously, this is the best way for us to reach new listeners.Rate & Review on Apple Podcasts - A five-star rating an...
Send us a text Episode 246: Christmas Parties, Career-Limiting Moments & Season Seven Wrap-Up Sacha's in her pyjamas in Raglan (it was Coffee Culture's "Oops, I'm at the Wrong Party" themed Christmas party a week ago, she's just still wearing them), while Ish is fresh off winning a dance-off at their ABBA vs Spice Girls costume showdown at music bingo. As they wrap season seven with 246 episodes, they dive into Christmas party culture, the "no free willy" pyjama party rules, and why being...
Send us a text Episode 245 - Hustle Culture: Is Working Harder Still Worth It? Episode Summary Ish wins the Exercise New Zealand Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Fitness Industry (and wasn't even there!), while Sacha hustles across the South Island. This leads to a deep conversation about hustle culture, rise and grind mentality, and whether working harder actually gets you ahead anymore. Plus: AI end of the world chat, and why the younger generation wants their technology sepa...
Send us a text Midweek Mini - What's The One Thing For The Week? Why One Thing? – You have 52 opportunities in a year to get one thing nailed each week. Clarity breeds genius. Focus vs. Urgent – The one thing for the week isn't necessarily the most urgent thing—it's the meaningful longer-term thing that needs attention. The Exercise – Dump everything that needs doing on paper, then identify the overarching focus that sums up what success looks like for the next 7 days
Send us a text The Not So Breakfast Show - Bad Words & Breaking Points Sometimes you reach the end. The absolute end. Sacha is moving house, dealing with impossible transactions, and has just discovered the movers left three massive items behind. Ish is surprisingly recharged from mini-breaks and witnessing his co-host process what happens when resilience runs out. This is a raw, real conversation about those moments when life is genuinely hard—and how to hold onto the "but it's worth it...
Send us a text MWM: Hope Is Not a Strategy Every time you find yourself saying "I hope sales improve" or "I hope that changes," recognise that hope isn't a strategy - you're just gambling with other people's lives and your business outcomes. Join Ish and Sacha as they unpack this famous business school line (spoiler: Sacha didn't coin it, but she uses it brilliantly). The Recognition Tool: Every time you say "I hope..." ask yourself: Am I taking enough action?Hope is good - we need opti...
Send us a text The Working Genius Model Episode Overview Ish has just been certified in the Working Genius model and is excited to share this powerful framework for understanding team dynamics, project workflows, and personal energy. In this episode, he unpacks the model live with Sacha, who's just received her results and is wrestling with what it means to not be naturally gifted at something. Spoiler: it's not about skill, it's about what gives you energy and joy. Key Topics Discussed Unde...
Send us a text The Core Question What conversation has been sitting in the back of your mind, taking up mental bandwidth? Why We Avoid Conversations Hoping it will just go awayFear of conflict or discomfortLack of preparationEmotional reactivity The Two Negative Outcomes of Delay Option 1: Extended delay Physical effects: not sleeping, overthinkingBuilds up exhaustionWhen you finally have it, you're depletedOption 2: React without preparation Have it while angry or unpreparedDon't get the o...
Send us a text Is It Good? Is It Bad? It Just Is: Lessons in Resilience Fresh off a 17-hour flight from New York and jetlagged beyond belief, Sacha joins Ish to talk about resilience, mental fortitude, and adapting when things go spectacularly wrong. This episode is raw, real, and packed with stories about handling crisis situations—from emergency room visits in New York to water landings in Fiji—and the lessons we can apply to workplace challenges. Key Topics Discussed Human Adaptation &...
Send us a text MID WEEK MINI: Check the Question Before You Answer Ever start talking and hope your brain catches up with your mouth? Yeah, we've all been there. Join Ish and Sacha as they share the power of the pause and the phrases that help you actually answer the question being asked (not the one you think you heard). Key Phrases to Have Ready: "Before I answer, let me check - are you primarily interested in X or Y?""Can I ask you to clarify?""Help me understand, are we talking about this...
Send us a text MID WEEK MINI Your team is doing amazing work - but does anyone else know about it? Join Ish and Sacha as they explore how to build your team's credibility beyond simply stating "we've been working on this" and actually spotlight the individual contributors doing the heavy lifting. Key Takeaways: Move beyond collective "we" language - call out individuals by nameGive credit even when team members aren't in the room - builds brand equityNot many people resist having others know ...
Send us a text Mid-Week Mini -The Power of Microfeedback Stop saving up feedback for formal reviews and start creating momentum shifts in real-time. Join Ish and Sacha as they break down why waiting six months to give someone feedback is completely unfair and how those little "you've got something in your teeth" moments can transform your team's performance. Key Takeaways: Give feedback immediately after sessions - pick one thing to work on for next timeIt's unfair to dump six months of feedb...
Send us a text Episode 235 Show Notes Ever wondered if you should start a podcast? Spoiler: you probably should. Join Ish and Sacha as they unpack why podcasting isn't just about creating content - it's about developing a critical set of skills, building your personal brand, and creating a living, breathing business card that works while you sleep. From the power of editing to the legacy you'll leave behind, this is your blueprint for launching a podcast that matters. Main Topics Why Podcast...
Send a text In this episode, Ish and Sacha dive deep into the power of reflection for leadership and career growth. They explore why the skills that got you to where you are today may not be the ones that take you to the next level, and share practical exercises to help you identify and develop your superpowers. Key Topics Why leaders need to maintain a growth mindset regardless of their levelThe danger of believing you're "done" learningUnderstanding what you don't know about what you ...
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