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Doublers is a podcast featuring professional performing musicians who “double” in other career pursuits. This podcast is a resource for any musician looking into other careers or income streams outside the traditional performing/teaching binary. -- It often feels like a music career has two paths: performance or teaching. Our sense of self gets wrapped up in identifying as a "musician", and there's a certain pressure to stay strictly within those two paths in order to maintain that identity. If you're making money in another industry, are you a musical failure? Long before the pandemic began, many musicians relied on secondary skills to pay the bills: often in careers that have nothing to do with music, teaching, or the degree they earned! Listen to their stories here.
8 Episodes
Episode 8 // John Hong

Episode 8 // John Hong


How does spending on $8500 you don't have as a grad student jump start your career? In this episode, John Hong shares how one swipe of a credit card started the journey into his current pursuits. A clarinetist turned writer and artistic marketing consultant, John Hong nurtures an obsession with clear, simple, and human communication. Consulting since 2018, his clientele includes GRAMMY® winners, non-profit executives, orchestra CEOs, and instrumentalists, ensembles, conductors, and composers from every major continent. He is an occasional freelance writer on the people and issues surrounding classical music, praised by New Yorker contributor Steve Smith for “having his thumb square on the pulse of what moves the public to open up a story.” Find him on Twitter: @John_Hong.(On a personal note, I can attest to his skills as a writer - John wrote the bio on my website!)Support the show (
Atse Theodros is a freelance trumpet player and brass repair tech at J. Landress Brass in New York City. After apprenticing at the shop during his last year of study at Manhattan School of Music, Atse has spent the last 5 years carving out his niche as a member of the small but mighty team. J. Landress Brass, Manhattan's only brass shop, is in high demand for cleaning, repairs, and instrument sales for NYC's busy freelancers. As a brass tech, Atse is involved in cleaning, repairs, polishing, and general triage when a player walks through the door with a non-functioning horn and says "I've got a show at 8!".Born and raised in Orlando, Florida, Atse holds a Bachelor’s in Music Education degree from the University of Florida, earning certification to teach K-12 in the state of Florida. Atse earned a Master of Music degree as well as a Professional Studies Certificate at Manhattan School of Music in the Orchestral Performance Program, studying under Mark Gould and Ethan Bensdorf. Other primary teachers include Vincent Penzarella, Thomas Smith, and Dr. Joyce Davis. He is an active musician in the greater New York and Florida regions. Orchestral experience includes a position as Associate Principal/3rd Trumpet with the Ocala Symphony Orchestra in Ocala, Florida. Atse has performed under the baton of such conductors as Leonard Slatkin, Kurt Masur and participated in master classes with James Thompson, Thomas Hooten, and Michael Sachs. Atse maintains an active lifestyle, enjoying various sports such as football and basketball in time outside of music as well.Support the show (
Sara and I chat about her experiences as an entrepreneur and operatic soloist, the challenges of building businesses, and why classical musicians should be more like Rhianna (for real). In this conversation with Sara, I mention an blog post called Million Dollar Voice, linked here.  In this article, tenor Zach Finkelstein provides an incredibly detailed breakdown of why a professional singing career is a million dollar investment, and I highly recommend checking it out. Sara Duchovnay is a professional opera singer who has turned a decade-long obsession with antique diamonds and estate fine jewelry into a successful dual career as fine jewelry curator and owner of The two sides of her professional life work together in perfect harmony; while performing lead roles with opera companies around the country and traveling alongside her husband, tenor Clay Hilley, Sara has been able to source inventory from all over the world and offer her clients some of the most exquisite and distinctive pieces available anywhere. Though travel and performances have been limited in these pandemic times, she has been able to call upon her contacts and continues to grow her one forgets an opera singing jewelry dealer! Sara holds a Bachelor of Music from the Hartt School of Music and a Master of Music from the San Francisco Conservatory of Music. She is a GIA Applied Jewelry Professional and is in the process of studying to become a GIA Graduate Gemologist.  Support the show (
Episode 5 // Beth Lano

Episode 5 // Beth Lano


Beth Lano has maintained a very successful career as a French horn player while working as a marketing, advertising, and public relations professional. After moving to Las Vegas in 1982, Beth spent five years in the traveling orchestra backing Wayne Newton, followed by a two-year stint in the orchestra for Bally’s “Jubilee!” show, where she was also assistant conductor. In 1986, she began playing with Frank Sinatra, and toured with both his East and West coast orchestras. She also toured with Ann-Margret and Johnny Mathis.In 1989, Beth began her public relations career working as Director of Public Relations for the Musicians Union of Las Vegas during a serious labor dispute. At the end of the strike, she continued her career as an independent publicist for various arts and labor organizations, eventually joining local public relations and advertising agencies.She continued to freelance in music and public relations throughout the 1990s, and during this time became an award-winning voice actor. She also became a morning radio DJ, hosting a daily lifestyle/entertainment show and a nightly show. She later became an announcer for Nevada Public Radio.Beth was solo horn in “Monty Python’s Spamalot” at Wynn Las Vegas, and principal horn in “Phantom: The Las Vegas Spectacular” at the Venetian Resort and Hotel. She has performed with many entertainers appearing in Las Vegas, including Tony Bennett, the Who, Elton John, Stevie Wonder, Seal, Andrea Bocelli, Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, Kelly Clarkson, Cheap Trick, and many others. She can be heard on several critically-acclaimed jazz recordings, most notably Carl Saunders’ “Eclecticism”, Harry Skoler’s “A Work of Heart”, and Paul Broadnax’ “Here’s to Joe”, a tribute to Las Vegas jazz legend Joe Williams.Beth is currently Director of Marketing and Public Relations at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas School of Music, where she is also an adjunct instructor of horn. She is associate principal horn with the Las Vegas Philharmonic, an active freelancer, private horn instructor, and voice actor. Support the show (
Episode 4 // Lauren Yu

Episode 4 // Lauren Yu


Lauren Yu is a bassoonist and software engineer in the DC metropolitan area. She is a founding member of the Breaking Winds Bassoon Quartet, a well-known chamber ensemble that has an international following.  With her quartet, Lauren has presented performances and masterclasses all over the world, most notably at the International Double Reed Society Conferences in Spain and Japan, the International Beijing Bassoon Festival and countless secondary schools and universities throughout the continental United States.  She has arranged and transcribed a variety of classical and popular music, some of which has been published through TrevCo Music Publishing.An alumna of Eastman School of Music and Yale University, Lauren has performed with many orchestras, including the Buffalo Philharmonic, the South Florida Symphony, the Williamsburg Symphony, YOA Orchestra of the Americas and Santo Domingo Sinfonia.After grad school, Lauren began tutoring to help supplement my freelancing career. She says, "While I love teaching math and playing bassoon, I ultimately decided I wanted a different career path - something that combined the aspects of math and music that I love most: problem solving and creativity."Enter coding. After some careful consideration and several online courses, she was hooked. She decided to make the commitment and attend a bootcamp at the Flatiron School, followed by a short program with Collab Lab. She quickly landed in internship at at Data Society in Washington, DC and after a few months was hired as a full-time software engineer. Support the show (
Ryan Walsh is an oboist and wine tasting connoisseur currently based in Pittsburgh after 17 years in New York City. Most recently, Ryan was the oboe/English horn player for the Broadway National Tour of Les Misérables. When not on tour, Ryan regularly appears with ensembles including the New York Philharmonic, Baltimore Symphony, American Ballet Theater, American Symphony, and on Broadway in “Natasha, Pierre, and the Great Comet of 1812”. Ryan is also an active studio musician, appearing on the soundtracks for “The Secret Life of Walter Mitty”, “The Goldfinch”, “The Good Liar”, “West Side Story”, Disney’s “Noelle”, and “The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel”.Ryan is also leads professional wine tastings! Cultivating his love for wine as a waiter during a gap year before graduate school, Ryan nurtured this interest and fully leaned into the world of virtual tastings post-pandemic era. He works through several companies, and also runs his own business On The Nose Tastings. In this episode, Ryan shares how he got into the world of wine tasting and events, how he's previously balanced these interests with a busy oboe career, and how he's adapted since his tour closed in March. Support the show (
Eric Umble is a clarinetist, development administrator, DJ, and all around wonderful human. I'm delighted to have him as my first guest on the podcast!Based in Brooklyn, Eric has an active career as a clarinetist in the new music scene in New York City. He's also the development & engagement manager for The Knights orchestra collective (if you aren't familiar with The Knights, check them out). As if that doesn't keep him busy enough, he also performs as a DJ in a variety of venues around the New York area. In this episode, we discuss Eric's process of discovering new career pursuits, the identity crisis that can go along with that journey, and where he is now. Support the show (
The one where I’m talking to myself – send help…In the first episode of Doublers, I’m outlining the why for starting this podcast. Everyone and their dog is making content these days, since we’re all stuck and home and this is the primary means for social contact.So why this podcast, and why now?I’ve spent a decent chunk of my adult life looking for the perfect unicorn job that would support my music career, give me an outlet to do something constructive, and pay well enough for me to make a dent in my student loan debt. As a student, I falsely believed that in order to be taken seriously as a musician, I had to be “in” the field – teaching was the only acceptable secondary career. Over the years as my secondary career interests wandered outside of the “acceptable” jobs, I came to realize that this stigma is not only useless, but often traps people in jobs they don’t actually like so they can hold on to their identity as a musician. In reality, they could spend just as much if not less time on a different career path, and have more energy and time available for what they really care about: being a performing musician.I was lucky enough to land a job at a great tech company that gives me all the flexibility, stability, and benefits that I wanted while allowing me the freedom to continue my music career. I want this podcast to serve as a resource for every musician who might be considering a "double" career!Support the show (
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