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Welcome to Necessary Rebels! Hosted by Sandra, co-founded by Sandra and Kanar, this podcast was inspired by the BLM, anti-racism and inequalities work in different sectors. You’ll hear stories from our guests about their experiences of inequalities & racism both in and outside of the workplace. Each episode currently conducted by Sandra will leave you with information on how you can help tackle these injustices and be a Necessary Rebel... Some of the content in these episodes may be uncomfortable and these conversations are never easy. But change needs to come - What part will you play to become a Necessary Rebel?
30 Episodes
Author and sociologist Fiona Peters joins us to discuss the care system, race and childhood. Fiona wrote the book Fostering Mixed Race Children Everyday Experiences of Foster Care. To purchase a copy please visit: For more information and to support the Change The Story Campaign please see: The following reports were cited in this episode: DoE The fostering system in England Evidence review (2017): Gov.UK (2018) Independent review of foster care published: The Guardian (2018): Why do we separate the mother and child victims of domestic abuse?: 
Dionne Usherwood , Head of Children’s Integrated Commissioning talks about her journeys from the  outside in.The Leadership imbalance - Black and Asian leaders missing in action cited in this episode can be found here:
For this episode, we invited  past guests, as well as friends and activists, to share their views  on the government's  recently published Sewell report on race and ethnic disparities. Reactions are resounding! Thank you to the following contributors — Michael Harper,  Martha Daniels, Dionne Usherwood, Rosemarie Jenkins, Marcus Shukla, Dr. Simi, Deborah Gordon, Shabnam Ahmed, Esther Fajoye, Meg Lyons, SiSta QueEn, Ana Barandalla, Dianne Greyson and Josephine Namusisi Riley. 
We are joined again by the wonderful psychologist, sociologist, researcher and anthropologist Abu-Bakr Madden Al-Shabazz to discuss the controversial  report of the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities. We delve into the reactions to the report, the data behind it and its relevance in modern Britain. You can download a copy of the report here: 
We discuss the ethnicity pay gap with Dianne Greyson - a professional mediator, author and campaigner who specialises workplace equality, diversity and inclusion.For more information on how to support the ethnicity pay gap campaign please see: Dianne’s website be found at: https://www.synergisedsolutions.comThe Race Inequality in the Workforce report cited in this episode can be found here: 
Abu-Bakr  is a psychologist, sociologist, researcher and anthropologist. At present he is a Black History Officer for Race Council Cymru. Listen to Abu-Bakr school us about Black History told and untold. Hope you're ready! 
Our guest on this episode is Sarah Bentley, the founder of Made In Hackney - a vegan community cookery school and charity. We discuss the food poverty crisis in the UK, what can be done about it and how they’ve embedded anti-racism work in the charity. If you’d like to support or make a donation to Made In Hackney to help them continue to provide free community meals during the COVID-19 crisis, please visit their website at: Links to information mentioned in this episode: 
Charlotte Williams, founder of  SevenSix Agency, a go-to voice for brands  on inclusive marketing, talks about the  lack of representation in marketing and how an increasingly diverse audience is demanding a shift towards more representative advertising. She also touches on what sparked the viral video she created after the tragic murder of George Floyd. You can find Charlotte here. 
Olivia Vincenti joins us again to discuss being our ‘authentic selves’ whilst dealing with the hurts of oppression. We would like to pre-warn our audience that this episode includes content related to racial trauma that some listeners may find distressing. If you have any concerns about the way you are feeling, please see your General Practitioner or Doctor. The Mind website has further advice on seeking help for mental health concerns:  Black Minds Matter offer free therapy, funded by the organisation for up to 12 sessions (Tel: 0207 720 9110 or email further information on re-evaluation and peer counselling please visit:
Today’s episode features an interview with Josephine Namusisi-Riley. We discuss her ‘White Allies’ campaign and how racial discrimination shows up in schools. Josephine is interested in hearing from White people who want to share their experiences of living with White privilege and/or witnessing racism. If you would like to share your experiences anonymously, please see Josephine’s survey link below: Other links: Josephine’s blog for the Royal Society of Arts - An invitation to White people to be active allies: privilege - a guide for parents, by the children’s charity Bernardo’s: 
Getting vaccinated is one of many steps you can take to protect yourself and others from COVID-19, but are they the only way to end the pandemic? On this episode we talk with  Amran Mohamed and Adama Saccoh who will help us understand the Covid-19 vaccine. Amran Mohamed is a research project manager at an NHS trust responsible for an NIHR/UKRI-funded COVID-19 and ethnicity community intervention study. Adama Saccoh is a cardiovascular imaging research assistant.  Check out her blog "thecatalystinme" where she talks about the pandemic. You can find the WHO here. 
Over 10 million people have received a COVID-19 vaccine in the UK, which gives us a lot of information about the safety of these vaccines. However,  there are growing concerns about the rates of vaccine hesitancy in some black and minority ethnic communities. We invited Dr. Simi, Clinical Director at Titan Primary Care Network, to discuss vaccine hesitancy,  as well as health inequalities in black and ethnic minority communities, and to provide information about the vaccines and address concerns that people have raised. We are joined by Aiwan Obinyan, a friend and producer of our podcast, who also has some specific questions about the vaccines. You can find Dr. Simi here. Articles and websites mentioned can be found below. NHS England The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention  BMJ JCVI
Beverley Bryan was actively involved with the Black Panther Movement in Great Britain from 1970 to 1973. She was a founding member of the Brixton Black Women's Group and the Organisation of Women of Asian and African Descendant.  She also co-wrote with two other members of her association, Stella Dadzie and Suzanne Scafe, the Heart of the Race: Black Women’s Lives in Britain which was published 35 years ago. Here she talks about the book and the daily realities she and other black women faced personally and politically that are still alive today. 
There is a 30% shortfall in ethnic minority representation amongst Members of Parliament in the UK. In this episode we discuss breaking the mould with local Labour Councillor, Janet Campbell. The UK Parliament report ‘Ethnic diversity in politics and public life Research Briefing’ (2020), can be found here:‘Operation Black Vote’ information was taken from: Please note the following corrections to this episode: Janet is the Cabinet Member for families, health and social care in Croydon (not the ‘Cabinet Minister’). The story concerning an individual losing their job is not related to Croydon Council. 
Colourism, the idea that light-skinned minorities are given more privilege than their darker-skinned peers. This type of bias dates back to slavery. It's part of white supremacy, or holding up whiteness over other backgrounds. It has deep historical implications in black communities from beauty standards to professional opportunities to how families treat one another. Two sisters talk to us about their personal experiences and how colourism has impacted their lives and the lives of their loved ones - Caroline Chinakwe,  who is a London based, Nigerian-born self-taught, mixed-media artist portraying the complexities of melanin heavy black women and men, and her sister Isabella Chinakwe, London born Business Finance Manager for Qatar Airways.  Although colourism cannot be eradicated in a day, we believe sharing testimonies can aid in the healing process and connect us together. You can find Caroline's website here and her instagram here. 
In our Series 1 finale we interview Jade - a professional working at a large media and broadcasting company, and a passionate advocate of workplace equality and transformative change. Jade tells us about her role in promoting media inclusivity, having uncomfortable workplace conversations and encouraging diversity at the table.If you’d like to support us to make Series 2 of this podcast, please head to our crowdfunding page to donate via the link below, and follow us on Instagram @necessary_rebels_pod mention in this episode: Diversify, by June Sarpong (2017). Thank you for listening! 
Yoga instructor Jonelle’s personal mantra is ‘be brave, be fierce, be free!’.In this episode, we hear about Jonelle's lived experience of the racial and physical  prejudice that she has faced in her career, and she gives us her thoughts on how yoga can be 'for everybody'.  Please note that this episode features strong language from the start.
Our guest on this episode is Toral Shah, a nutritional scientist and cancer campaigner. Toral tells us about her experience of being diagnosed with breast cancer at the age of 29, and discusses the efforts needed to address racial inequalities in cancer care. The following Macmillan reports were discussed in this episode:  The Rich Picture: People with cancer from BME groups: one overlooked: Experiences of BME people affected by cancer: the Gap - Cancer inequalities in London: NHS England and NHS Improvement three-part video series  ‘Learning from the experience of BME cancer patients’ (2020) were also highlighted:Bias: Dignity:  Please note the following correction to this episode: Toral was re-diagnosed in 2018, not 2008.
Professional coach Meg Lyons tells us about her personal journey in becoming an anti-racist ally.  Reading list for this episode: Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson, Me and White Supremacy by Layla F. Saad; White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh (; Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates.
Olivia has had a professional 30-year career dedicated working in public services for children and families. We ask her about the journey to leadership, dealing with racial prejudice and how to be an anti-racist ally in the workplace. 
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