Elm Town

Joe Thel cares for web components (custom elements), elm-codegen, and a culture balancing boring & novel technologies. We wade into the 2025 AI waters, but walk out before we drown.Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected] by Jesse Moore.Edited by Jared M. Smith.Recording date: 2025.11.07GuestJoe ThelShow notes[00:00:17] Disclaimer: AI & Publish Time[00:00:50] Sponsored by Logistically[00:01:11] Introducing Joe ThelDeepgramDillon Kearns' elm-pagesElm CampMagic Read Along podcast[00:12:01] Question from the Deepgram team: Pitching Elm[00:14:50] Web componentsCustom Elements (The Elm Guide)Web Components (MDN)Elm Radio[00:24:08] Question from Deepgram: Fun stories with animationjoethel.comelm-canvas[00:29:29] Novelty budget"Choose Boring Technology" by Dan McKinley"Facilitating Technology Change Through Cultural Change" by Grant Maki (elm-conf 2018)[00:38:10] Artificial IntelligenceZedMDN Web Docs[00:55:17] elm-codegen: Rediscovering the feels of "compile-time", active vs. passiveelm-codegenSerde"Solving the Boolean Identity Crisis" by Jeremy Fairbank (elm-conf 2017)[01:10:24] Question from Deepgram: Early design decisionselm-spa-example by Richard Feldman[01:15:32] PicksJoe's picks"Learning Parser Combinators With Rust" by Bodil StokkeCrafting Interpreters by Robert NystromX-Bows keyboardJared's picksKinesis AdvantageRondo for Strings and Pegs by Joe ThelZenyatta Mondatta by The PoliceVinyl records, in general

Ari Schlesinger illuminates a unique path of social responsibility carved through the tech world, using feminism as a guide while bearing attacks, criticism, and contortion. That trail led Ari to ask how programming languages shape society and, eventually, to research Elm—the compiler, error messages, and community. Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected]. Music by Jesse Moore. Edited by Toni Cañete. Recording date: 2025.06.06 Guest Ari Schlesinger Show notes [00:00:25] Sponsored by Logistically [00:02:27] Introduction (for real) University of Georgia Socially Responsible Tech Lab "A Case for Feminism in Programming Language Design", co-authored with Felienne Hermans Addressing Computing's Discrimination Problem: A Framework for Anti-Discriminatory Computing by Ari Schlesinger Elm Town 88 – Wonder: Unconscious bias with Felienne Hermans [00:04:57] Origin story FemTechNet Alex Juhasz Programmed Visions: Software and Memory by Wendy Hui Kyong Chun [00:14:33] Why Did School Suck? [00:20:41] A little thing called Y Combinator and 4chan happened HASTAC (Cathy Davidson) "A Cyborg Manifesto" by Donna Haraway [00:30:43] Anti-discriminatory framework "Good intentions are not enough: how informatics interventions can worsen inequality" by Tiffany C. Veinot, Hannah Mitchell, and Jessica S. Ancker Good Inside by Dr. Becky Kennedy [00:43:00] Language shapes reality Sapir-Whorf hypothesis [00:49:22] Glaciology "Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research" by Mark Carey, M. Jackson, Alessandro Antonello, and Jaclyn Rushing [00:58:11] Relation of Ari's research to Elm Strange Loop Papers We Love Conf "The Hard Parts of Open Source" by Evan Czaplicki at Strange Loop 2018 Propaganda by Edward Bernays The Last Whole Earth Catalog [01:04:32] Elm error messages [01:20:36] Slackbot / Feminism bell hooks - Feminism is for Everybody [01:29:22] Why study Elm? "The Economics of Programming Languages" by Evan Czaplicki at Strange Loop 2023 [01:32:14] Contorting yourself "When We Have Never Been Human, What Is to Be Done?: Interview with Donna Haraway" by Nicholas Gane in Theory, Culture & Society The Good Place Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) [01:43:00] Picks Ari's picks Possible: How We Survive (and Thrive) in an Age of Conflict by William Ury Frieren: Beyond Journey's End (TV series) Programmed Visions: Software and Memory by Wendy Hui Kyong Chun Feminism Confronts Technology by Judy Wajcman TechnoFeminism by Judy Wajcman ACM TechBrief: Advancing Accessibility in the Digital World PBS / Sesame Street Taskmaster The Mushroom at the End of the World by Anna Lowenhaupt Tsing Jared's picks "Queer Theory for Lichens" (archive) by David Griffiths https://jayjinsing.github.io/files/QueerTheoryLichens.pdf (PDF) Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake The Rehearsal on Max by Nathan Fielder Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich

Elm Camp organizers Katja Mordaunt and Tomáš Látal share details about the June 15th-18th, 2026 event in Olomouc, Czech Republic, and extend an open invitation to Elm-curious folks in the broader community. Tickets on sale as of publishing! Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected]. Music by Jesse Moore. Edited by Toni Cañete. Recording date: 2026.01.28 Guests Katja Mordaunt Tomáš Látal Show notes [00:00:33] Sponsored by Logistically [00:00:54] Introducing Katja Mordaunt & Tomáš Látal Elm Town 59 – Elm Camp with Katja Mordaunt Elm Town 78 – Elm Camp 2024 with Katja Mordaunt and Wolfgang Schuster Scrive [00:06:22] Elm Camp Info elm.camp [00:07:33] The town of Olomouc Elm Camp Discord [00:13:28] The venue: Park Hotel Prachárna Hotel Prachárna [00:19:50] Unconference format Elm Town 85 – Wander: Elm Camp 2025 [00:27:16] Intentionally Elm-curious Elm Town 81 – Inspired: Bubble Tea with Christian Rocha Lambda Days [00:34:16] The beauty of Elm Camp [00:39:41] Picks Katja's pick "Teaching Haskell to Kids" Tomáš' picks Coderetreat Darknet Diaries Kagi Small Web "The Small Web is Beautiful" by Ben Hoyt Jujutsu

Felienne Hermans relates her journey in programming—writing The Programmer's Brain, uncovering biases within computing culture & herself, and building the multilingual, gradual-syntax programming language Hedy. We even dip into AI (trigger warning) and dumb phones.Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected] by Jesse Moore.Edited by Toni Cañete.Recording date: 2025.04.08GuestFelienne HermansShow notes[00:00:26] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:48] Introducing Felienne HermansHedy - Textual programming made easyThe Programmer's Brain by Felienne Hermans"How to teach programming (and other things)?" at Strange Loop 2019"A Case for Feminism in Programming Language Design", co-authored with Ari SchlesingerElm Town 59 – Elm Camp with Katja MordauntCode Reading ClubThe Daily Stoic by Ryan Holiday and Stephen Hanselman[00:04:09] The costs of misconceptionsScience Mike[00:09:51] Journey to computer science[00:14:33] Programming culture: challenges and creativityElm Town 48 – Making Little Games Like Presents with Martin StewartElm Town 64 – The network effect with Martin StewartAdvent of Code[00:21:36] Bias and building a multi-lingual programming languageMark Guzdial's blog: Computing Ed Research - Guzdial's Take[00:28:35] Hedy's gradual syntaxAddressing Computing’s Discrimination Problem: A Framework for Anti-Discriminatory Computing by Ari SchlesingerThe Will to Change by bell hooks[00:38:12] Programming language community, learning, and valuing hard things[00:47:19] How language design choices affect cognitive load"The Hard Parts of Open Source" by Evan Czaplicki at Strange Loop 2019Elm Town 58 – Unblocking users with quality software with Tessa KellyEpisode 68: Elm and ADD with Dillon Kearns and Jeroen Engels[00:56:22] History of women in computing"Female Inventors and Narratives of Innovation in Late Twentieth-Century Computing" by Myra ChengNathan Ensmenger[01:03:40] Kotodama (言霊): What's in a name?Feeling of Computing 75 • A Case for Feminism in Programming Language Design by Felienne Hermans[01:08:49] Switching to a dumb phone[01:16:48] AI"An Age of Hyperabundance" by Laura PrestonIn Praise of Messy Lives by Katie Roiphe[01:30:10] PicksFelienne's picks"An Age of Hyperabundance" by Laura PrestonDeath Glitch: How Techno-Solutionism Fails Us in This Life and Beyond by Tamara KneeseCrisis of Narration by Byung-Chul HanJared's pickThe End of This Day's Business by Katharine Burdekin

Sophie Collard describes her transition from environmental engineering to software, mob programming to teach functional concepts, and building a startup app with Elm.Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: [email protected] by Jesse Moore.Recording date: 2025.02.24GuestSophie CollardShow notes[00:00:29] Sponsored by Logistically[00:00:50] Introducing SophieLondon Air UI using Elm & Leafletjs"Lessons learnt from writing 10k LOC in Elm" at Lambda Days 2024sophiecollard/jsonpath[00:01:33] Journey to programming[00:10:35] Learning Elm[00:14:30] Questions from Monica McGuigan on learning[00:17:41] Mob programmingMobster by Dillon KearnsZed channels for collaboration[00:23:47] London Air UICustom elements (Elm Guide chapter)[00:27:48] RailpackersRailpackersxkcd: Standards[00:33:51] The Jackson guitar project (Chushin Gakki)Chushin Gakki Jacksons Directory (GitHub)elm-pagesElm Town[00:41:41] sophiecollard/jsonpath[00:44:51] PicksSophie's picksElm in Action by Richard FeldmanProgramming Elm by Jeremy FairbankJared's pickFuture of Coding (a.k.a. Feeling of Comput(er)ing)