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In this episode, Fran and Jeff talk with Sam Bhagwat, the co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Gatsby Cloud, about the modular web and Sam’s new book. The group spends some time talking about Gatsby’s origins and how it serves the use cases of the content web. During the conversation, Sam provides a good overview of the architectural patterns that underpin the modular web and we talk about some of the different ways people talk about these moving pieces: JAMstack, decoupled, headless, etc.Sam has spent a lot of time working with organizations making the move towards modular, and he lays out a bunch of different classes of benefits as well as profiles of organizations making the switch. The conversation shifts towards the struggle of businesses integrating 3rd party systems, and Sam gives us a sneak peek into Gatsby’s Valhalla solution. The service was launched publicly since the time of this recording. When considering WordPress as a headless CMS, Sam shares his thoughts on how supporting the functionality of popular plugins is one of the opportunities we have in the ecosystem.Sam’s Posts on GatsbySam’s TwitterSam’s Book “​​Modular: The Web's New Architecture: (And How It's Changing Online Business)”  
In this episode, Fran and Jeff talk to Fred Schott, the co-creator of the Astro framework. Astro is a newer JavaScript framework that focuses on creating super fast content-focused sites. There is a ton of love in the JS community for Astro, and we dig into Astro's origin stories and some of Fred's background with build tools. Astro aims to reduce complexity by offering a server-first, zero-JS by default experience for building sites. For WordPress developers who've done some work with PHP, Astro invokes a lot of that simplicity. Astro also doesn't ship a frontend framework by default, so you can use React, Vue, Svelte, or any other framework you want. We touch on some additional benefits of Astro as well:Islands architectureClient directives for selectively loading JSHow Astro focuses on prioritizing content-focused sitesFred shares with us some of the future goals of Astro and talks about how it fits into the community. Astro WebsiteAstro Discord Server
In this episode, Fran and Jeff talk with Chris Wiegman, the Engineering Manager of the team working on WP Engine's Faust framework. During this quarter, the Faust framework has undergone a massive overhaul and Chris spends some time sharing details on those updates:Moving from GQty to Apollo for data fetching Implementing WP routing and template hierarchyAdding plugin functionality to Faust with hooks/actionsQ4 actions towards Gutenberg supportIf you're interested in the development of Faust, keep an eye on this space over the coming months. After teasing the possibility of renaming Faust, the current name will stick for this release, but this episode was recorded while that decision was still in flux, so please excuse any artifacts of that conversation that didn't get edited out : ) Faust WebsiteChris' WebsiteApollo GraphQL ClientGQty
In this episode, Fran and Jeff catch up with Colby Fayock, a previous guest and a Senior Developer Experience Engineer at Cloudinary. This episode touches on how Cloudinary can help developers offload, optimize, and transform images using their APIs or use their WordPress plugin for a native integration with WP admin. The group discusses how they should approach learning new technologies and explores how people in developer relations play a role in helping developers process and filter changes. Colby also maintains a popular Next.js starter for headless WordPress, so the group discusses general thoughts about headless WordPress and its approachability.  Colby's WebsiteColby's TwitterCloudinary Cloudinary WordPress Integration
In this episode, Fran and Jeff catch up with Matt Landers, the former manager of WP Engine's Dev Rel team, and discuss his new role in developer relations at Google Analytics. We take a deep dive into some of the major differences between the current iteration of Google Analytics (UA) and the next evolution of the platform (GA4).PSA: The current version of Google Analytics will be deprecated in mid-2023, so PLEASE run both tags for some period of time because the data models are very different.Matt walks us through some of the implications of using Google Analytics in a headless WP setup and shares some insights on how GA4 will handle certain aspects of privacy for our international developers. As someone who's been in the headless WordPress space for over a decade, we spend a ton of time picking Matt's brain about the origins of headless WordPress and the Atlas platform and discussing the future of WordPress as a headless CMS.  Matt's TwitterGoogle Site Kit Plugin
In this episode, Fran and Jeff talk with Alexa Spalato, the co-founder of Gatsby WP Themes, a company focused on building out Gatsby themes made to work with headless WordPress. We learn how Alexa got involved in tech, discuss some of the details of the headless theme market, and get some updates about her future as a Developer Relations Engineer in the headless CMS space.Alexa drops a ton of knowledge about how themes (of all kinds) can lower the barriers for other people, and why she decided to bet on Gatsby as a base for her own theme ventures. We hope you enjoy the episode!    Alexa's WebsiteGatsby WP Themes
In this episode, Jeff and Fran talk with Max Stoiber and Thomas Heyenbrock of Stellate, an innovative company working in the GraphQL space. Some of this episode's highlights include: learning more about Stellate's core offerings around GraphQL edge caching and analytics, along with future ambitions around unifying third-party service data in GraphQLdiscussing some of the challenges around caching GraphQL queries when compared to REST APIsdigging into the details of Stellate's WordPress plugin and their motivation behind creating it (hint: lots of people are using WPGraphQL)sharing some thoughts on why developers reach for a headless architectureMax's TwitterMax's WebsiteThomas' Twitter
In this episode, Fran and Jeff talk with Lee Robinson, the VP of Developer Experience at Vercel. We take a look at some new or now stable features in Next.js, like middleware, the image component, and ISR. Both Vercel and WP Engine support a lot of open source projects as a part of their strategies, and we dig into why that's important and good for the web in general.  Last we discuss many of Lee's ideas on how to build developer communities at both the global and local scale.Lee's TwitterLee's WebsiteLee's Post on DX
In this episode, we get things up and running for Season 3, with just a few changes. First, we've rebranded the podcast slightly by changing the name. Second, we have new co-hosts for the show. In this intro episode we dig into Fran and Jeff's backgrounds and talk about their developer origin stories. We're really excited about some the guest we have lined up for this season of the podcast, so stay tuned!Fran's Website:'s Website:
We close out the year with Lee Robinson, the director of developer relations at Vercel. Lee talks about the current Next.js landscape within headless development, Rich Harris joining Vercel to work on SvelteKit, and whether Vercel will shift their frontends more towards SvelteKit.Headless WordPress resources:https://developers.wpengine.comLinks:
Alex Moon stops by to hype Gatsby 4. How did Gatsby 4 an up to 10x rendering speed? How is Gatsby future-proofing against React? They also talk about how well Gatsby plays with Faust.js.Links: What's new in Gatsby 4Rendering patterns podcast episodeWant more headless content? Go to
Kellen and Grace bring in WPEngine's new Developer Relator Brian Gardner, Founder of StudioPress, Co-creator Genesis, to talk about building development communities. Links:briangardner.comTwitter @bgardner
The De{Code} podcast welcomes our new host, Grace Erixon. Kellen and Grace talk about Grace's development history.
Farewell Will

Farewell Will


Will bids the De{Code} podcast adieu and reflects on his headless development journey.
The DevRel team invites JSON Bahl back onto the pod to discuss Gutenberg. Jason talks about the benefits of Gutenberg, what's lacking in Gutenberg's current implementation, and what implementations exist for rendering Gutenberg in headless WordPress.Links:Gutenberg and Decoupled Applications
Solutions Architect Alex Moon stops by the De{Code} pod to talk rendering in front-end development. Links:The When and Where of RenderingReact's server componentsNetlify's Distributed Persistent Rendering (DPR)
Next.js Rumor Roundup

Next.js Rumor Roundup


Will and Kellen give their predictions and dreams for Next.js conference 2021. What will happen on the 5th anniversary of Next.js? Increased support for Core Web Vitals? Support for Deno? What about running the Next.js API at build time?
Atlas Content Modeler

Atlas Content Modeler


The Atlas Content Modeler teams hop on the pod to discuss the new open-source tool. Links:Github:
Phil Crumm from 10up

Phil Crumm from 10up


Kellen and Will welcome Phil Crum from the Web Agency 10up. They discuss whether 10up plans to go all-in on headless WordPress over traditional, how the discovery phase with a client determines whether headless is right for them, and using Gutenberg in a headless architecture.Links:Phil Crumm website:
Core Web Vitals

Core Web Vitals


Have you ever heard of Core Web Vitals? Kellen and Will teach you all the basics, including how to get a good Core Web Vital score, Largest Contentful Paint, First Input Delay, and Cumulative Layout Shift. They also break down how to measure your website against Core Web Vital principles and what tools could help you out.After you listen, don't forget to attend the Demolish Core Web Vitals event on October 21: Core Web Vitals info: tools:PageSpeed Insights auditsGoogle Search Console’s Core Web Vitals reportWeb-vitals JavaScript LibraryWeb Vitals Chrome ExtensionLightweight-embedded videos: polyfills: content-visibility:
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