Lead & Follow

Actor/Director Dan Istrate shares his thoughts on presence, connection, and social leading and following.  Dan grew up in Romania and has lived for the past 25 years in the United States. He’s had thousands of both painful and hilarious experiences of language and culture translation and mis-translation, working on both stage and screen in a wide variety of creative collaborations.Socially, his way of being seems to invite other people to be more open, more brave, more playful, more free. It’s something that’s hard to describe in words but it’s an area of leading and following that we nevertheless experience every single day. It just might transform how you see simple conversations all around you, with friends, at home, with strangers, and even maybe especially on dates. If you’re someone who feels at all anxious about talking to people, or like me feels that they are still recovering from the pandemic, this episode might be especially helpful."If you think about the fact that you cannot really influence the way people perceive you–in that idea I find freedom.""We think that the words are the thing, but the thing is the vibration.""The conversation can feel better if it is anchored in the depths of our being." "The most beautiful thing in the world is to connect with another human being." Episode ReferencesS1 E 15 - Lead/Follow Relationships in Live Theater Performance - Dan Istratehttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/9621693-lead-follow-relationships-in-live-theater-performance-dan-istrate Connect with Dan Istrate:Website: www.danistrate.comIG: @DanIstrateDCFB: Dan.Istrate.796 Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Yulia Tolstikov-Mast, Ph.D.  shares the concept of a global follower and especially of global followership as a force of power that can and does influence the far-reaching decisions of global leaders. Yulia is a global leadership and followership expert, an award-winning international leadership scholar, and an educator. Her scholarship and training focus on the internalization of leadership and followership education, non-Western approaches to leadership and followership, global followership and citizenship behaviors, and leader-follower role switching.  Her most significant contribution is the Handbook of International and Cross-Cultural Leadership Research Processes. The publication is a guide on conducting international research grounded in local epistemologies. Yulia was also Co-Investigator in Russia for the GLOBE 2020 Research Project.“The message that was initiated by soccer players and was amplified by the followers, and it started making changes in the world.” “I suggest we start posing the question, ‘Who are you as a global follower?’ and really attach energy to that question.”“I envision global followers as a force in numbers, in opinions, in actions.”Episode ReferencesTolstikov-Mast, Y. (2016). Global followership: The launch of the scholarly journey. In J. S. Osland, M. Li, & Y. Want (Eds.), Advances in Global Leadership (Vol. 9, pp. 109-150). Bingley, UK: Emerald.Tolstikov-Mast, Y., & Aghajanian, C. (2023). Intersectional approach to combating human trafficking: Applying an Interdisciplinary Global Leader-Follower Collaboration Paradigm. In: Dhiman, S.K., Marques, J., Schmieder-Ramirez, J., Malakyan, P.G. (eds) Handbook of Global Leadership and Followership. Springer. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-75831-8_38-1"What is Global Leadership?" https://blog.utc.edu/mark-mendenhall/files/2015/05/World-Financial-Review_What-is-Global-Leadership.pdf"10 socially-conscious players who showed footballers don’t need to 'stick to sport'"https://www.squawka.com/en/socially-conscious-footballers-dont-need-to-stick-to-sport/Title IX Company https://www.titlenine.com/who-we-are.htmlMighty Be Our Powers: How Sisterhood, Prayer, and Sex Changed a Nation at War, by Leymah Gbowee https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Be-Our-Powers-Sisterhood/dp/0984295194 National Whistleblower Centerhttps://www.whistleblowers.org/how-whistleblowers-changed-the-world/ Global Followership Conference www.followershipconference.com *Connect with Yulia Tolstikov-Masthttps://www.linkedin.com/in/yulia-tolstikov-mast-ph-d-b8b18611/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Dr. Kyle Payne, a strategic talent development leader based in Chicago, describes his recent study exploring how professional engineers navigate ethical dilemmas. Kyle has fifteen years of experience driving process improvement and behavior change through training, coaching, and consulting. In his research, he focuses on unethical behavior at work and examines the behaviors of “ethical followers” who resist unethical behavior and call into question unethical thinking. UPDATE: Dr. Payne's article (discussed in this episode) will be published in the summer 2024 issue of the International Journal of Ethical Leadership. Upon publication, the article may be downloaded from the journal website at https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/ijel/.“There was a lot of mention of protecting the public, protecting themselves, that sense of being a moral person, protecting colleagues, protecting the profession as well.”“I’m hearing these examples of very creative and courageous actions, and yet, that same participant is telling me, I wish I could have acted sooner.” “It’s not just a decision, you really need to have a space where you can express these concerns, where you can feel heard…otherwise I’m not sure where you develop that sense of self-efficacy.”Research References Mary Uhl-Bien, Ronald E. Riggio, Kevin B. Lowe, Melissa K. Carsten. Followership theory: A review and research agenda. The Leadership Quarterly, Volume 25, Issue 1, 2014, Pages 83-104. Carsten, M. K., & Uhl-Bien, M. (2013). Ethical Followership: An Examination of Followership Beliefs and Crimes of Obedience. Journal of Leadership & Organizational Studies, 20(1), 49-61. Chaleff, I. (2009). The courageous follower: Standing up to and for our leaders (3rd ed.). Berret-Koehler Publishers.Hernandez, M., & Sitkin, S. B. (2012). Who is leading the leader? Follower influence on leader ethicality. In D. D. Cremer, & A. E. Tenbrunsel (Eds.), Behavioral business ethics: Shaping an emerging field (pp. 81-104). Routledge. Kassing, J. (2011). Dissent in organizations. Polity Press.Other References Kasia Urbaniak, Unboundhttps://www.amazon.com/Unbound-Womans-Guide-Kasia-Urbaniak-ebook/dp/B084FKX7XV/ S1 E8: How Courageous Followers can stop Destructive Leadership - Alain de Saleshttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/8716279-courageous-followers-can-stop-destructive-leadership-alain-de-sales Global Followership Conference – April 25-26, 2024http://www.followershipconference.com Connect with Dr. Kyle Payne: Website: http://www.kylepaynephd.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-payne-phd-98567b50/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Hi Everyone, this is Sharna. I’ve spent the beginning of the year in a resting phase with the podcast, letting the new season slowly take shape in my mind. New episodes are coming soon, in early March, and I’m hoping this little preview will give you a sense of how I’m thinking about season 3 as a collection of conversations.*Democrats Have a Better Option Than BidenThe Ezra Klein Show https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democrats-have-a-better-option-than-biden/id1548604447?i=1000645559771Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

In this short, end-of year episode, host Sharna Fabiano reflects on season 2 and shares three  compelling lead and follow ideas to try out in your own life and work in 2024. Please send feedback on Season 2 along with suggestions for Season 3 directly to Sharna at sharna@sharnafabiano.com.Special thanks to Glover Gill for providing our music.Lead & Follow, by Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.com/book/ The FREE Lead & Follow  Skill Sheethttps://www.sharnafabiano.com/book/Unbound: A Woman's Guide to Power, by Kasia Urbaniakhttps://www.kasiaurbaniak.com/unbound-bookS1 E 23: The Necessity of Followership in Peace Building – Pedro Portelahttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/10291927-the-necessity-of-followership-in-peace-building-pedro-portelaS1 E12: Followership Skills as Part of Professional Development - Brian Rookhttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/9075187-followership-skills-as-part-of-professional-development-brian-rookS1 E8: Courageous Followers can Stop Destructive Leadership - Alain de Saleshttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/8716279-courageous-followers-can-stop-destructive-leadership-alain-de-salesLetters to Leadershttp://www.esbeworks.com/diagnosticsSupport the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Dr. Wendy M. Edmonds is Interim Chair of the Management, Marketing, and Public Administration Department in the College of Business at a Historically Black University, and Co-Chair of the Global Followership Conference 2024.  Her research focus is on toxic followership (people following bad people).  She is an author, and internationally recognized toxic followership expert with a passion for positive change.  Dr. Edmonds describes herself as a Workplace Toxicologist whose mission is to dismantle toxic followership and foster healthier, more productive environments. Wendy shares the characteristics of this important - if darker - aspect of followership and how it influences how powerful or powerless we may feel in our every day lives as employees, as members of a community, or as citizens.  We also discuss how to use popular media and physical role plays in the classroom to inspire rich conversations about different kinds of followership and leadership choices.  “Toxic followership is consistent destructive behavior over and over again.”  “We have to begin to have others understand that it doesn’t matter where you are – you have power that you can make the change.”  “How you use power is what’s most important.” Episode ReferencesCNN: Escape From Jonestownhttps://vimeo.com/244066619  S1 E8- Courageous Followers can Stop Destructive Leadership - Alain de Saleshttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/8716279-courageous-followers-can-stop-destructive-leadership-alain-de-sales Time of Essence documentary - the story of Essence Magazinehttps://www.oprah.com/app/time-of-essence-full-episodes.html Self-made TV series – inspired by the life of Madame CJ Walkerhttps://www.netflix.com/title/80202462Intoxicating Followership, by Wendy M Edmondshttps://www.amazon.com/Intoxicating-Followership-Jonestown-Wendy-Edmonds/dp/1800714599Global Followership Conferencehttp://www.followershipconference.com  Connect with Dr. Wendy M. Edmondshttps://www.drwendymedmonds.com/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Langley Sharp is the former head of the Centre for Army Leadership, responsible for championing leadership excellence across the British Army.  After graduating from Sandhurst two decades ago, his career in the Parachute Regiment, which included operational command at every rank, saw him deployed to Northern Ireland, Macedonia, Afghanistan and Iraq. Among his many varied roles, he led a counter-insurgency Task Force operation, commanded a Parachute Regiment Battalion and delivered the Ministry of Defence’s training programme for the London 2012 Olympics venue security. He is the author of the British Army’s official account of leadership, The Habit of Excellence, distilling over three centuries of the Army's experience in the art, science and practice of leadership. And he is Founder and Director of the consultancy firm Frontier Leadership.In this episode, Langley shares how and why followership is now becoming more explicit in the Army’s official documentation of itself, and how that articulation will in turn refine the way service members are trained in the future."Warfare is not a place for individuals."“When you have to think about who’s following and who’s leading, there’s probably something wrong in the team”“You need good followership to have good mission command.”“Our ability to scale collaboration enables us to do great things when it works well.” Episode References> Langley Sharp, The Habit of Excellence> British Army Doctrine Note on Followership> Centre for Army Leadership Conference 2023 - Creating Effective Followership“Freedom, however, is not the last word. Freedom is only part of the story and half of the truth. Freedom is but the negative aspect of the whole phenomenon whose positive aspect is responsibleness. In fact, freedom is in danger of degenerating into mere arbitrariness unless it is lived in terms of responsibleness.” –Frankl. V.E. (1992). Man’s Search for Meaning, 4th edition. Boston: Beacon Press, 134.Kelley R.E., The Power of Followership: How to Create Leaders People Want to Follow and Followers Who Lead Themselves, New York: Doubleday, 1992Chaleff, I. (1995). The courageous follower: Standing up to and for our leaders. San Francisco: Berrett-Koehler Publishers."For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.”–Rudyard Kipling, The Jungle Book Connect with Langley Sharphttps://frontierleadership.co.uk/https://www.linkedin.com/in/langley-sharp/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

David Elser, author of Doing the Chores, shares his concept of smart followership through personal stories of growing up on a small family farm in northwest Ohio.  David is a learning and development professional based in Coldwater Lake, Michigan who has over 30 years of experience in the transportation industry. He works with employees at all levels, from essential front-line workers to executive leaders. David has a master's degree in organizational management and is a Certified Professional Coach. “[Smart followership] is having the willingness and ability to enthusiastically and effectively provide support.” “What if we brought into the organization smart followership skills training, what would that mean?” "Sometimes its best to step back and let others come up with the solution."Episode ReferencesShirtless Dancing Guyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQTrust, Followership, and Leadership in Non-Profit Change Processes - Tom Klaushttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/9340458-trust-followership-and-leadership-in-non-profit-change-processes-tom-klausTraining Everyone in Both Leadership and Followership – Samantha Hurwitzhttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/13325495-training-everyone-in-both-leadership-and-followership-samantha-hurwitz HR Perspective on Followership and Leadership Training - Julie Newmanhttps://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/13364704-hr-perspective-on-followership-and-leadership-training-julie-newman Connect with David ElserDoing the Chores Websitehttps://doingthechores.comDoing the Chores Book (adults)https://a.co/d/esqqdoSDoing the Chores Book (kids)https://a.co/d/9QvryVqFacebookhttps://www.facebook.com/FollowSmartLinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/david-r-elser-5a17655  Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

David Scott is a PhD Researcher at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, Scotland. He is exploring Followership Salience as a factor of Leadership in Organisations, and is also a Visiting Lecturer in Business at Leeds Trinity University. In this episode, he shares his concept of followership as informal leadership, and his view on how the universal practice of followership and followership-centric leadership within organizations can help diversify executive teams and boards to meet UN Sustainable Development Goals.  David is a highly experienced Company Director and Charity Trustee with particular interest in effecting positive environmental and social change through people. He is  Co-Chair of the 2024 Global Followership Conference hosted by the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow.“We came up with the definition of followership as ‘purpose-focused informal leadership’” “It’s impossible to be a role model without being a leader.”“By me thinking of myself first and foremost as a followership practitioner. It removes the fear when someone else wants to lead me, even as a chief executive of a large organization.”“Taking this followership-centric approach enabled so many more team players to come into the mix…to ensure that we as an organization stayed true to our purpose.”Episode ReferencesJimmy Collins, Creative Followershiphttps://www.amazon.com/Creative-Followership-Greatness-Jimmy-Collins/dp/1929619480Philip Meilinger, “The 10 Rules of Good Followership”https://engineeringmanagementinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/10_Followship_Rules_Meilinger.pdfIra Chaleff, The Courageous Follower: Standing up To and For our Leadershttps://www.amazon.com/Courageous-Follower-Standing-Our-Leaders/dp/1605092738Edmonstone, J. (2003), "Learning and development in action learning: the energy investment model", Industrial and Commercial Training, Vol. 35 No. 1, pp. 26-28.Mango, E. (2018) 'Rethinking Leadership Theories'. Open Journal of Leadership, 7 (01), pp. 57-88.Barbara Kellermanhttps://barbarakellerman.com/Julian B. Rotter, Locus of Control https://www.simplypsychology.org/locus-of-control.htmlConnect with David Scotthttps://www.linkedin.com/in/davidhunterscott/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Christian Monö is a Speaker, Author and Sweden’s first and only followership expert. In this episode, he shares what he has discovered in more than 15 years exploring what he calls “natural followership." We discuss how our human ancestors self-organized in egalitarian band societies, and also how the leadership industry is affecting people, businesses and societies today. Among Chris' clients are the Swedish Armed Forces, and he has a new book coming out in English in 2024.“[Natural followership] is the process of how people instinctively follow each other without being guided by formal rules or regulations.”“We like to follow people who can help us get where we already want to go.”“As soon as you create an environment in which people feel they are not free, they will start reacting to it.”“In natural followership the group sets the vision not a leader.”“When it comes to changing the world it’s not the leaders who do it; it’s the followers.” Episode ReferencesRobert Kelley, Power of FollowershipValve Softwarehttps://www.valvesoftware.com/en/ Buurtzorghttps://www.buurtzorg.com/https://www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2017/may/09/buurtzorg-dutch-model-neighbourhood-care Björn Lundén Informationhttps://bjornlundenblogg.se/sv/mina-bocker/2021/10/sim-metoden/Connect with Chris MonöWebsite - https://www.followership.se/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-monoe/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/followership.se/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

This episode is a conversation about integrated leadership-followership education, featuring both Fatema Haque, Academic Program Manager & LEO Adjunct Lecturer at the Barger Leadership Institute at the University of Michigan, and also Dorine Lawrence-Hughes, Assistant Dean of Undergraduate Education at the University of Michigan. They are both involved in the introduction of followership to the Barger Leadership Institute curriculum and I’m excited to have them on the show together to talk about that process and how it’s preparing students for both professional and community work. “It helps students to see the necessity of the critical consciousness that comes with good followership.”“Giving students agency to pick what they want to work has been really essential.”“Talking about what it means to be a good follower, what it means to be ethical, what it means to hold our leaders accountable, is good and necessary work that we need to be doing now.”“This topic blows students away.” Episode Resources Barger Leadership Institute, University of Michiganhttps://lsa.umich.edu/bliBarbara Kellerman, Bad Leadershiphttps://www.amazon.com/Bad-Leadership-Happens-Matters-Common/dp/1591391660Ira Chaleff, The Courageous Follower https://www.amazon.com/Courageous-Follower-Standing-Our-Leaders/dp/1605092738Basil Read, Read & Read Leadership and Management Consultants, LLChttps://www.read-read.com/Marc and Samantha Hurwitz, Leadership is Half the Storyhttp://www.teachingfollowerscourage.comBrazen Communicationhttps://brazencommunication.com/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

I speak with Erica Dawson, Professor of Practice and Nancy and Bob Selander Executive Director of the Engineering Leadership Programs at Cornell University.Erica’s Montana upbringing instilled in her a deep sense of connection to the mountains and outdoors. But her thirst for adventure was too big even for the Big Sky State, so eventually she made the leap to New York to pursue a PhD in Social Psychology at Cornell University. She went on to become a professor at the Yale School of Management, where her intellectual interests expanded from judgement and decision-making to themes of developing human potential. As a Faculty Fellow of the Dalai Lama Center for Ethics and Transformative Values at MIT, she has traveled the world teaching ethical leadership to audiences as diverse as Tibetan monks, European women pharmaceutical scientists, and Colombian judges. Erica left Yale after a decade to found the US-Israel Center for Innovation and Economic Sustainability at UC-San Diego, then returned to Cornell in 2012 as the founding Executive Director of the Cornell Engineering Leadership Program.  As you can see, Erica has a fascinating and varied background. I invited her to speak on the podcast because she has built and continues to build followership into the engineering leadership curricula in very fundamental and transformative ways, and there is a lot to learn from what’s been happening there over the past decade.“If you don’t have an appreciation for what it is to be an active, effective, powerful follower, you absolutely cannot be an active, effective, powerful leader.” “Some people have never identified that if I’m showing up and I’m just disengaged, I’m costing the group something. There’s a responsibility to either become engaged or exit myself, because it’s a cost.” “For some…understanding that followership is a very active role, where you own your own ability to both support and challenge, that’s pretty novel.”  “When we teach followership we are teaching the fundamental skills of being able to have influence from any position in a team or an organization, and that’s actually what people want.” Episode ReferencesIra Chaleff, The Courageous Follower https://irachaleffauthor.com/books-the-courageous-follower/Cornell Engineering Leadership Programshttps://leadership.engineering.cornell.edu/S1 E5: Equitable Leading and Following in the Coaching Relationship - Amy Lombardo https://leadfollow.buzzsprout.com/1735834/8586603-a-model-of-equitable-leading-and-following-in-the-coaching-relationship-amy-lombardo Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Dr. David Leitner has spent the last 15 years as a followership, leadership, and strategy educator.  In this episode, he shares his passion and perspective on followership and leadership not only interpersonally but also as a way of analyzing relationships between states, communities, or companies.Dr. D not only teaches these topics academically, he runs workshops, seminars, and lectures on for multinational companies, the Israeli Defense Forces, Military Preparation Academies, Israel Gap Year programs, Youth groups and more. As an IDF disabled veteran suffering from CRPS, David has been an advocate for accessibility and inclusion for over 20 years. He is married with 3 kids, and he is the only International Practical Shooting Confederation wheelchair competitor in Israel. “Followership is the decision to ascribe to a strategic process that supports and furthers the manifestation of a mutually defined purpose.”“Followership in and of itself is a choice.”“Emergent leadership is lost because people don’t want to be followers especially when they’re in a [formal] position of leadership.”Episode References Robert Kelley, "In Praise of Followers," HBR 1998 Barbara Kellerman, "What Every Leader Needs to Know about Followers," HBR 2007S1 E20 - Listening as a Core Followership Skill - Eran MagenConnect with Dr. David LeitnerWebsite: https://www.drdleitner.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleitner/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/david.a.leitner Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Nixon Jallo is Husband, Father, Chief Executive of FOLDEVIN Consults Ltd., Bishop of Supernatural Love Ministries, Rector of Agape Bible College, Writer and Researcher based in Jalingo, Taraba State, Northeast Nigeria. He speaks about teaching followership in both faith communities and business communities, how followership differs at each level of an organization, and why recognizing the value of followers and followership is critical to success in organizations of all kinds.Jallo completed a Master’s degree in Theology and is now completing another one in Organizational Leadership, and is the author of several books on followership including Principles of Followership, Understanding Followership and Leadership Fusion, and My Ideal Leader: The Heart Cry of Followers. “Followership is a sign of humility that I am willing to be led. I am willing to help the leader lead well.”“There are people who are vision writers and those who are vision runners. And those people who run with the vision are the followers.” “Every organization succeeds because the followers are given the room to show their ability and their skill.” Principles of Followership, by Nixon Jallohttps://www.amazon.com/PRINCIPLES-FOLLOWERSHIP-NIXON-JALLO/dp/B08SRFBW4B/ Nixon Jallo on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nixon-jallo-a60a4b27/ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Julie Newman, a Certified Human Resources Leader in Ontario, Canada, shares her experience coordinating a recent implementation of leadership and followership training for a nonprofit client.Julie is a well-rounded HR professional with 15 years of experience in all areas of HR, from building organizational culture, performance management, recruitment, employee relations, and health and safety. She’s really done it all! Prior to transitioning to HR consulting, Julie spent over 11 years in senior leadership within the non-profit sector.  Since discovering followership several years ago, she has become an advocate for using the leadership-followership model in organizations and in her own work to create and support welcoming and inclusive workplaces.  "How better can you tell your people that they mean something to you than to say all of you are leaders and all of you are followers. ""It sends such a strong message to your people that you value them in their development but also in what they have to say. ""Diving into followership opens this whole amazing great world and a different view and once you go there you can’t go back.""You need to be a leader in the HR specialty but also the follower to really apply those pieces in the best possible way for the organization that you are supporting."Connect with Julie NewmanLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-newman-chrl/Email: willowhallhr@gmail.comWebsite: www.willowhallhr.com  Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Together with her partner in all things, Marc Hurwitz, my guest Samantha Hurwitz is co-author of the game-changing book Leadership is Half the Story and co-founder of the innovative training and development company FliP University, based in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. Samantha and Marc are also co-founders of the Global Followership Conference, which is where she and I first met in 2019. She describes herself as a recovered corporate executive, and as Chief Encouragement Officer of Flip University, she and Marc are setting the gold standard for "pracademic" leadership and followership training in organizations of all sizes.In this episode, Samantha shares both methods and strategies for training whole organizations in both leadership and followership, how this approach boosts inclusion and other crucial ROIs in today's professional landscape.“When it comes to leadership development, the strongest return on investment is actually closer to the front lines than your senior executives.” “Anytime when an organization has agreed to teach everyone at every level in both leadership and followership, it has been transformative.” “If your organization is truly striving for equity… then you absolutely have to provide leadership development to everyone.”“We want people to stop thinking about a leader-centric world and start thinking about a partner-centric world”Episode ResourcesFlip Universityhttp://flip.universityLeadership is Half the Story, Marc Hurwitz and Samantha Hurwitz https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Half-Story-Followership-Collaboration/dp/1487522460Samantha Hurwitz on LinkedInhttp://ww.linkedin.com/in/samanthakerrhurwitz/Global Followership Conferencehttp://ww.followershipconference.comReferenced ArticlesMeindl, J. R., Ehrlich, S. B., Dukerich, J. M. (1985). The romance of leadership. Administrative Science Quarterly, 30(1), 78-102. https://doi.org/10.2307/2392813Hurwitz, M., & Hurwitz, S. (2009). The romance of the follower: Part 1. Industrial and Commercial Training, 41(2), 80-86. https://doi.org/10.1108/00197850910939117Hurwitz, M., & Hurwitz, S. (2009). The romance of the follower: Part 2. Industrial and Commercial Training, 41(4), 199-206. https://doi.org/10.1108/00197850910962788Hurwitz, M., & Hurwitz, S. (2009). The romance of the follower: Part 3. Industrial and Commercial Training, 41(6), 326-333. https://doi.org/10.1108/00197850910983929 Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Dr. Chris Fuzie, owner of CMF Leadership Consulting, talks through the development and delivery of his Effective Followership training program and how it works in combination with leadership training. We also discuss how most employees in large complex organizations are actually leading and following at the same time, whether they realize it or not! And how focusing more on consistent, desired behaviors can often be more impactful than focusing solely on leadership vs followership role awareness. Chris is a Leaderologist II with the National Leaderology Association. He is a developer, trainer, and consultant for leadership of public, private, for-profit, and non-profit organizations. Chris is a graduate of the FBI National Academy and a former National Instructor for the International Association of Chiefs of Police. After 28 years of public service, he is an honorably retired Lieutenant/Commander from the Modesto Police Department where he led teams such as the Homicide Investigations Team, Hostage Negotiations Team, and Street-Level Drug Enforcement Team. He currently serves as the Business/HR Manager for the Stanislaus County District Attorney’s Office in California.*“There’s no rank in the chopper.”“You can’t just delegate tasks without delegating the authority for those tasks… but the positional person still takes responsibility for what happens.”“A lot of this is raising awareness of what it is to be a good follower, and that it’s so synonymous with being a good leader.”“When we focus on the behaviors, then it doesn’t matter whether you’re in a leadership role or a followership role. You’re still doing the same behavior.” Connect with Chris Fuziehttps://www.cmfleadership.com/effectivefollowership Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

My guest Erin Barry is currently working on her PhD in Health Professions Education focusing on leadership and followership within healthcare teams. She shares her observations of how meaningful and flexible followership impacts the quality of care delivered to patients, as well as the necessity of regular peer feedback and personal reflection.Erin Barry is Assistant Professor in the Department of Anesthesiology at the Uniformed Services University (USU). She is a health professions education researcher who develops and delivers curriculum and education assessments, and conducts research and scholarship related to leadership, followership, and healthcare teams. She has a secondary appointment as Assistant Professor in the USU Department of Military and Emergency Medicine as well as the Center for Health Professions Education. She contributes to leadership education, development, assessment, scholarship, and online learning. Additionally, she is a Leadership Coach with certification from the Kansas Leadership Institute and the Innovative Leadership Institute. She has co-authored more than 50 papers and chapters as well as the book, Innovative Leadership for Healthcare. She is a co-founder of the International Leadership Association's Healthcare Leadership Community. In addition, she helps to mentor faculty, staff, and students with regard to research activities.  “Healthcare is a team sport”“We get [students] to think about what their dominant style of followership is so that they can see that it’s probably going to shift depending on the situation.”“We talk a lot about how even as a follower you have a lot more influence than you might assume.”“Our different roles really do need to change depending on what’s needed by the team.”Connect with Erin Barryhttps://www.usuhs.edu/node/11086Episode ReferencesEd O’Malley and Julia Fabris McBride, Kansas Leadership Center, When Everyone Leads: How The Toughest Challenges Get Seen And SolvedPrevious episode: Leadership, Followership and Emotional Intelligence (IWU Part 3) - Yolonda Tonette Sanders  Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

This week on the podcast, I speak with Maddie Gray, a Leadership & Organizational Studies major at the University of Southern Maine and a member of this year’s USM Collegiate Leadership Competition team.  She has been involved with 4-H for fifteen years, competing in public speaking competitions and building her leadership and followership skills. Maddie speaks eloquently and candidly about supporting others, having difficult team conversations, and her experience leading and following as a member of the 4-H youth development program. This episode also has great examples of the twin concepts of situational leadership and situational followership, plus lots of subtle yet powerful tips for anyone working in teams, especially for those who are frequently sharing or rotating the leadership role.“People aren’t afraid knowing they’re going to have a follower.” This episode is part 2 of the USM series, so if you haven't already, please also go back and listen to Part 1 with Professor Dan Jenkins.Episode References Ira Chaleff, The Courageous Follower https://www.amazon.com/Courageous-Follower-Standing-Our-Leaders/dp/1605092738/4-H Youth Development Organizationhttps://4-h.org/Dancing Guy – First Follower Videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQ Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support

Fran Kick is an author, educational consultant, and professional speaker who works with corporate and educational organizations that want to develop better leadership and smarter followership for faster long-term results. As a company owner, entrepreneur, and consultant, Fran combines his master’s degree and clinical background in Educational Psychology with over 30 years in the K-20 education and business worlds. He has been inspiring people to KICK IT IN and TAKE THE LEAD since 1986 with convention and conference keynotes, breakouts, in-services, orientations, workshops, programs, retreats, consulting, and publishing. In 1999, Fran earned the National Speakers Association’s most prestigious earned designation—the CSP or Certified Speaking ProfessionalHe has given over 3,000 presentations in all 50 U.S. states plus 6 Canadian Provinces in front of audiences of 40 to 10,000 participants. And in nearly all of those, Fran has presented leadership development and followership development together whether he is working with fifth grade students or Fortune 500 companies.“Every time I say the word leadership, I intentionally add the word followership to the phrase in somehow, some way, shape or form, so that people understand it’s the relationship between the two.”“If more people in the space of advocating for leadership also advocated for followership, we’d have better leaders and smarter followers.” Connect with Fran Kickwww.kickitin.comFran Kick's ABC Game Materialswww.kickitin.com/abc*Download the ABC Game .PDF Guide for free with code: SHARNA Episode references: Neil Howe and William Strauss, GenerationsMorris Massey's Stages of Values DevelopmentThe work of Marshall Goldsmith The social change model of leadership developmentEdgar H. Schein and Peter A. Schein, Humble Leadership  Support the show*Connect with your host Sharna Fabianohttps://www.sharnafabiano.comOrder the book: Lead & Followhttps://www.amazon.com/Lead-Follow-Dance-Inspired-Teamwork/dp/1646632796/Support the Show!https://www.buzzsprout.com/1735834/support