Out of Our Minds

Rev. Dr. Jürgen von Hagen, the senior pastor of Free Evangelical Church in Mülheim an der Ruhr, Germany, and professor of economics at the University of Bonn, Germany, joins Rev. Bayly at the Michigan house for a free-ranging conversation on Ukraine, Putin, German church history, the European economy, and leadership.A quick summary of Jürgen's view: Putin won't be satisfied with Ukraine.Two books referenced in the show, both by Timothy Snyder:Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and StalinThe Road to Unfreedom: Russia, Europe, America***Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Parachurch ministries, political causes, and entrepreneurial enterprises seduce good men away from giving their lives to the Church and her pastoral work. How do we attract young men to the work of the Church during the formative years of their lives? College professors successfully shape their students, often in perverse ways. Why do pastors lack a similar zeal? What must pastors do to identify and draw men into working with Christ's sheep? As mentioned in the show, please check out the Psalm setting by My Soul Among Lions. Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors Who Say What They Think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

The parachurch was an innovation of entrepreneurially-minded Christians during the twentieth century. They considered the Church to be old and in the way. Efficiency was the gospel need of the day, so cumbersome mechanisms like denominations, ordination, and church discipline were bypassed. Pastor Bayly and Andrew Henry discuss the rise of the parachurch, the glory of the Church, and how reforming the Church—with all its ugly but necessary division and doctrinal distinctions—is the genuine need of the day.Read Bayly's The Church ReformedOut of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

There are very few places as divisive in today's church as the potluck lunch. When visitors come to our churches we are likely to hear them proclaim about their food orthodoxy before they say anything about their theology or church background. Tim and Andrew offer some helpful commentary about how to keep food from dividing the church. Show NotesThe man Tim was trying to remember mentioned during the recording was Jerome Irving Rodale founder of the magazine, Organic Farming and Gardening, and also Rodale Press. The talk show host Dick Cavett tells the story:MAY 3, 2007,  6:33 PMWhen That Guy Died on My Show (interview with Dick Cavett)When I’m doing an appearance somewhere and taking questions from the audience, I can always count on: “Tell about the guy who died on your show!” I generally say, “I will, and I promise you that in a few moments you will be laughing.” (That gets a laugh.) I go on: “First, who would be the logical person to drop dead on a television show? A health expert.” (Laugh.) I go on to explain that he was Jerome I. Rodale, the publisher of (among other things) Today’s Health Magazine. (Laugh.) The irony gets thicker.He’d been on the cover of The New York Times Magazine that Sunday, and we needed one more guest. He was a slight man, and looked like Leon Trotsky with the little goatee.He was extremely funny for half an hour, talking about health foods, and as a friendly gesture he offered me some of his special asparagus, boiled in urine. I think I said, “Anybody’s we know?” while making a mental note to have him back.I brought out the next guest, Pete Hamill, whose column ran in The New York Post. Rodale moved “down one” to the couch. As Pete and I began to chat, Mr. Rodale suddenly made a snoring sound, which got a laugh.Comics would sometimes do that for a laugh while another comic was talking, pretending boredom. His head tilted to the side as Pete, in close-up as it happened, whispered audibly, “This looks bad.”The audience laughed at that. I didn’t, because I knew Rodale was dead.To this day, I don’t know how I knew. I thought, “Good God, I’m in charge here. What do I do?” Next thing I knew I was holding his wrist, thinking, I don’t know anything about what a wrist is supposed to feel like.Next, in what felt like a quick film cut, I was standing at the edge of the stage, saying, “Is there a doctor in the … (pause) … audience?”Two medical interns scrambled onto the stage. The next “shot” that I recall was of Rodale flat on the floor. The interns had loosened his shirt and his pants, and were working on him. He was the ghastly pale of a plumber’s candle.Other memories that seem to come in stop-frame sequence:- Two stewardesses in the front row who’d been winking and joking with me during the commercial breaks were now crying. I guess from their training and having seen emergencies, they knew the score.- Watching the awareness that this might just be real start to roll backward through the audience. Their reluctant awareness that this was not part of the show.- A camera man standing on his tiptoes, his camera pointing almost straight down on Rodale and the “action.”- Someone running onstage with a small tank of oxygen with a crucial part missing.- The bizarre feeling of denial that this must be part of the show. After all, we were in makeup and there were stage lights and a band and an audience that had been laughing and clapping only moments earlier.- Pete Hamill amidst the turmoil, as an ambulance crew arrived, calmly and professionally making notes in his reporter’s notebook. (He got a memorable column for the next day.)- Finding myself in a fog in my dressing room, discovering a few strange objects in my pocket that someone must have handed me. A ChapStick, a watch and some keys, clearly from the dead man’s pockets.- A voice in the alley as I got in the car: “Hey, Dick, was that for real?”I went home and looked up Robert Frost’s poem “Out, Out —,” which contains the words, “… And they, since they/ Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs.”The next morning, I called my mentor and former boss, Johnny Carson. The story was all over the news. I asked Johnny how I could ever do another show. “It’s like Kennedy’s death, isn’t it, Richard?” he said. “You wondered how anybody could ever do another show. This won’t sound very profound but you just go out and do it. And you’ll get a couple of surprises.”That night I told the whole story in the (comedy) monologue spot. No laughs then. I dreaded coming back from commercial.No one referred to the tragic happening, and everything meant to be funny got what seemed clearly to be larger than usual laughs. This, it turned out, was the main surprise Johnny knew was in store for me. Everyone was eager to get back to laughs.This is the topper: Upon warily deciding to view the sorry event a few weeks later, along with my staff, we noticed three things that, incredibly, no one had recalled Rodale’s saying: “I’m in such good health [he was 72] that I fell down a long flight of stairs yesterday and I laughed all the way.” “I’ve decided to live to be a hundred.” And the inevitable “I never felt better in my life!” (The gods and their sense of humor.)From <https://web.archive.org/web/20071022051652/http://cavett.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/when-that-guy-died-on-my-show/> accessed February 17, 2024.Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

The sins of abusers are heinous, but the sins of those who cover the sins of abusers are more heinous.For more on the scandal of Tenth Presbyterian Church, read this series on Warhorn Media.Scott Manetsch, Calvin's Company of Pastors: Pastoral Care and the Emerging Reformed Church.Richard Baxter on the sins of the eyes (pdf), taken from A Christian Directory. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This is a special Christmas episode of Out of Our Minds Podcast. It is a recording of "How Silently, How Silently, a parable about Jesus arriving in Wheaton on December 23rd, in a snowstorm. The story is found in Bayly,'s The Gospel Blimp (and other parables.Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is "Gabriel's Message" by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Andrew Henry, Tim & Mary Lee Bayly continue their conversation on children and danger, turning in this episode to speak of the dangers of sexual sin. How do we keep our children safe from sexual predators? How do we stay vigilant and responsive, doing the necessary work of protecting the vulnerable? Why are we tempted to keep the peace in the face of the sin of sexual predators? Part 2 of 2. Listen to part 1 here. Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

John Ensor (President of PassionLife), Ben Sulser (of Church of the King in Evansville, IN, and Ensor's son-in-law), and Tim Bayly continue their conversation on abortion. The first half of the conversation roamed afield as we discussed singleness, womanhood, manhood, abortion, being pro-life, preaching, and the Church. This half turns to abortion, specifically, beginning with the difference between the responses of Christians in China and Christians in Europe and America to preaching that opens up the guilt of abortion. We also discuss the criminalization of abortion, incrementalism vs. abolitionism, the "safety net" of Roe v. Wade, and contraception. * * *PassionLife's mission is to work "as a prolife global missions partner to missionaries and indigenous Christian leaders, where the plague of abortion, infanticide and gendercide is especially concentrated."Evangel Presbytery's Abortion and the Church—mentioned in this episode—is available in electronic format here (for free) and in hard copy here (for pay).Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and Outro Music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

John Ensor (President of PassionLife), Ben Sulser (of Church of the King in Evansville, IN, and Ensor's son-in-law), and Tim Bayly sat down and talked.We've broken the conversation into halves. This first half roams afield as we discuss singleness, womanhood, manhood, abortion, being pro-life, preaching, and the Church. The second half will be released next week and will turn to abortion, specifically, beginning with the difference between the responses of Christians in China and Christians in Europe and America to preaching that opens up the guilt of abortion. * * *PassionLife's mission is to work "as a prolife global missions partner to missionaries and indigenous Christian leaders, where the plague of abortion, infanticide and gendercide is especially concentrated."Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and Outro Music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

It is hard to say no in any context—especially to our children. Saying no is perceived as a denial of the power of God, a moralistic unkindness, or a lack of compassion. Regardless, we must be prepared to say no—as God does to us in His Word. In this episode of Out of Our Minds, Mary Lee Bayly joins her husband and our other fearless host, Andrew Henry. Along the way, they discuss the difficulty and importance of saying no to job opportunities, promotions, and our children's opportunities (music, sports, etc.). The "no" rooted in Christ is part of our mission. There are times when couples should take defensive actions against their children for the sake of the marriage. Husbands must be prepared to say no; a husband who never says no to his wife is refusing to acknowledge his stewardship of the marriage. These topics and much more...Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our children are in danger everywhere, both outside and inside the home. Some parents are oblivious to physical dangers; others desire to wrap their children from head to toe in bubble wrap before they send them out to play. Overprotection can sissify children, especially boys. Negligence and foolish risk-taking can kill them. Life is precious and can end in a moment. That truth must factor into our parenting. Nevertheless, we must protect the ability of our children to learn wisdom by getting hurt.Physical dangers are not the only dangers our children face. Spiritual and sexual dangers are also constant. One of the best protections we can provide our children is a deep understanding of Original Sin. Subsequent episodes will delve more into the sexual dangers.PS: In this episode, the book Tim couldn’t remember was John Eldridge’s “Wild at Heart.” Released in 2001, the book sold over four million copies in the U.S. alone, starting the man’s movement still thriving today among conservative Christians. The Religious News Service summarized Eldridge’s message: "The book sought to empower men to realize 'dreams of being the hero, of beating the bad guys, of doing daring feats and rescuing the damsel in distress’.”Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Pastor Tim sat down again with pastor and economist Jürgen von Hagen to discuss the religion of global warming. It is the nature of mankind to want to be involved in something big. What's bigger than acting to save the Earth? Yet, basing our actions and governmental policies on scientific models is a complicated venture. What does Scripture say about global warming? What is the solution to global warming? What is the greatest natural resource available? Should you leave your car running when you pop into the grocery store? Is God sovereign over global warming? What are the creation commandments and do they offer any answers?Out of Our Minds Podcast: Pastors who say what they think. For the love of Christ and His Church.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Out of Our Minds is back. Andrew Henry is our new co-host, but this episode Pastor Bayly is with Pastor Juergen Von Hagen and, because Tim and Juergen were up in Michigan, Andrew was not able to join them. Our subject is refugees, immigration, and migration.Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Out of Our Minds is back with a new voice. Mr. Andrew Henry—entrepreneur, musician, and all-around curious man—will join Pastor Tim Bayly for the upcoming episodes. Sometime soon we'll have Mr. Henry introduce himself on the podcast.Today's episode answers, "Does it take a church to raise a child?" When parents enter new territory with teenagers, how can they teach their children to love the church? What could competent parents possibly need from the church in relation to their children?Out of Our Minds is a production of New Geneva Academy. Are you interested in preparing for ordained ministry with pastors? Have a desire to grow in your knowledge and fear of God? Apply at www.newgenevaacademy.com.Master of DivinityBachelor of DivinityCertificate in Bible & TheologyGroundwork: The Victory of Christ & The Great ConversationIntro and outro music is Psalm of the King, Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Out of Our Minds audio, artwork, episode descriptions, and notes are property of New Geneva Academy and Warhorn Media, published with permission by Transistor, Inc. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Pastor Tim sat down again with pastor and economist Jürgen von Hagen to discuss the religion of global warming. It is the nature of mankind to want to be involved in something big. What's bigger than acting to save the Earth? Yet, basing our actions and governmental policies on scientific models is a complicated venture. What does Scripture say about global warming? What is the solution to global warming? What is the greatest natural resource available? Should you leave your car running when you pop into the grocery store? Is God sovereign over global warming? What are the creation commandments and do they offer any answers?* * *Music is Psalm of the King, a recording of Psalm 21 by My Soul Among Lions.Support Warhorn here.Check out New Geneva Academy, a seminary for men aspiring to serve the church as a shepherd of God's flock. New Geneva's training is not a scholarly head trip, but personal, spiritual, and Biblical. Contact us for more information. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

We can learn a lot from what happened in post-Soviet Russia society. They tried the whole cut-men-out-of-everything thing. It didn't work. And it had repercussions. And we can learn what happens when we reject authority (hint: maybe we get Joe Biden for a while, but maybe we also get Stalin). ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Tim, Jake, and Nathan all love Russian history and Russian literature. And you should, too. Although ... in this episode they begin a discussion of Russia and get sidetracked into talking about manliness and responsibility. Either way, we think you'll be edified.  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

As we conclude our series on preaching, we talk a lot about discernment and manipulation.  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

There are many good ways to preach a sermon, as we talk about in the third part in our series on preaching. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★