CW: Deaths of peers 54:29 - 1:00:00For our final episode of season 3 we’re filling you in on what has happened in the world of Holly & Jenna (and Mr Love) over the last two years of Somebody You Love. What’s changed, what hasn’t, and what’s to come. And we answer a listener question on the topic of sex worker ethics Bella Green’s book ‘Happy Endings’: https://www.booktopia.com.au/happy-endings-bella-green/book/9781760982768.html‘The’ Buzzfeed video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWm9rdU6IRY&ab_channel=BuzzFeedOz&themeRefresh=1Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen): https://vixen.org.au/WA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

CW: Weight loss, fatphobiaHolly & Jenna interview Lex Leigh - a nerdy gamer girl who has worked in the adult industry her entire adult life, including online and in person, and over the last few years has lost a total of 50kgs. She shares with us her reasons for wanting to lose weight, the physical and mental toll it has taken on her, and the reactions of clients/fans and her peers.Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations:ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.orgWA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

CW: SW slursWhy don't we like to be called "prostitutes"? When did this start and what are the alternatives? What is the harm in using slurs? What are the common arguments people use to continue saying the p-word?We know we've said we don't like the word on our show, but we've not gone into depth and we've received a few questions about it, so here's a whole hour dedicated to this gross word (that SWers are welcome to reclaim if they wish)!Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations:ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.orgWA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Charlie has many years experience in different areas of the industry, having started initially in Aotearoa (New Zealand) doing online work as well as full service. He is currently the Male Project Worker at SWOP NSW and he joins us today to talk to us about how and where M4M sex work takes place, hookup culture and opportunistic work, resources and access to community, and safer sex practises. 1:52: Main segment41:07: Shit People Say Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.orgWA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Sophie is renowned for being the only German trans mistress in Australia and she recently announced her intentions to retire from SW this year, due to the negative experiences she has encountered as a trans person within the industry.We’ve had gender diverse people on the show before, but thus far we haven't delved into the challenges unique to this community, so we invited Sophie on the show to share her perspective.Meaningful Work: Transgender Experiences in the Sex Trade: https://www.transequality.org/sites/default/files/Meaningful%20Work-Full%20Report_FINAL_3.pdfKirby Institute 2018 Australian Trans and Gender Diverse Sexual Health Survey: https://kirby.unsw.edu.au/report/2018-australian-trans-and-gender-diverse-sexual-health-survey-report-findingsPatreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Jenna managed to convince her mum to be on the show, and here she is - giving us the full, honest lowdown on what it’s like to have your daughter tell you she’s a sex worker. Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupod For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta):http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

CW: Mentions of sexual assault This week Holly & Jenna explain what you might expect when going to get STI tests and share some of their own horror stories of going to do so. Jenna shares a Shit People Say interaction with someone who thinks she is running a sting operation, and a listener sends in a thoughtful and nuanced question about how we can best support providers when they are going through a horrible time. 1:19: Main Segment: Sexual health gaps in the medical system 51:46: Shit People Say: r u a cop55:36: Question of the Week: How should a client respond when a worker announces they have suffered an assault in the workplace? Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupod For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Mr Love is Jenna’s husband and primary partner of 13 years. He’s also our sound engineer, and probably would’ve preferred to keep it that way, but Jenna & Holly somehow managed to convince him to make a guest appearance on the show, so here he is! Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Today Holly and Jenna are giving  their uncensored opinions on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation 's (ABC) Compass TV Special 'Nude Next Door', while hoping they don't get sued. Nude Next Door featured our very own Jenna Love, along with Billie Beever,  Coralea Jade,  Billie Peques, and Phoebe Thompson. Watch the doco here (You'll need a VPN if you're not in Australia):  https://iview.abc.net.au/show/nude-next-doorInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodFor more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

TW: Trauma (obviously), and sexual trauma Don't worry, we're not about to trauma dump on y'all. We're discussing the narrative of "xx% of sex workers have experienced childhood trauma" which is apparently supposed to be an argument against decriminalisation? Or human rights for sex workers? We're not entirely sure, tbh, but we're tackling it in this episode. We answer a question about whether we get nervous when meeting new clients, and we've got a short, but hopeful, Shit People Say for you. Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.orgSupport the show

It’s the threesome episode! We talk about both the emotional and physical things you might want to consider before jumping into group sex… including boundaries, safer sex, and voyeurism. And for Shit People Say Jenna shares some insights from clients on the subtleties of her screening process.  Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

It’s the jealousy episode! Do we get jealous of each other? Of other providers? Does Mr Love get jealous about Jenna’s clients? We talk about jealousy in the world of non-monogamy, answer a question about naked spooning mechanics, and hear from someone who simply cannot NOT give their uninformed opinion on sex work. 1:11 Main Segment: Jealousy 36:05 Misconception: Polyamorous people don’t experience jealousy 45:07 Question of the week: How to spoon??50:30 Shit People Say “I simply cannot NOT give my opinion”  Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

As promised, here is the little bonus clip for this week. which is a short interview with an Asian migrant sex worker based in QueenslandSupport the show

Jenna is joined this week by Janelle and Carly from Decrim QLD, a committee of sex workers who have joined with Respect Inc., to progress the removal of harmful and discriminatory sex work laws and achieve decriminalisation in Queensland. They talk about the current QLRC Review, what needs to change, and what we're afraid may not change. Decrim QLD website: https://respectqld.org.au/decriminalise-sex-work/Decrim QLD Twitter: https://twitter.com/DecrimQLDDecrim QLD Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/decrimqldInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.orgWA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Too many messages, obsessions with chairs, filthy tongues & poopy bums: today Holly & Jenna are sharing some of the reasons they have had to “fire” their clients. TW: Non-consensual sexual activity, boundary pushing 6:14 Main segment: Clients behaving badlyPatreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Prompted by a patron question, Holly & Jenna discuss where the line is between sex work and therapy, what’s appropriate to discuss with a sex worker, and how to broach the tough topics. The misconception this week is that oral sex is safe sex and for Shit People Say Jenna shares one of the more amusing (and lucrative?) interactions she’s had in a long time! The Satisfaction Project episode ‘Sex work or therapy?’: ​​https://open.spotify.com/episode/6oKlBqIGEJ7tqadDzHCwk0?si=MLMm21ZrQJi_W2Haii2oUQSHIPS: https://www.shipspsychology.com.auPatreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Unfortunately the audio for this episode is not great, we’re sorry! Turned On is a series in which Holly & Jenna react to different representations of sex work in media. In this episode, they are reacting to ‘Louis and the Brothel’, Louis Theroux’s 2003 documentary where he visits a Nevada brothel. Patreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta):http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Jenna is our special guest today! Holly interviews her about how she organises tours around the country. They talk about the misconception that sex workers can’t say no to particular clients and/or services. Holly shares a classic Shit People Say, and they discuss trends over time in sex work requests and services, like choking, golden showers, rimming, pegging, and cuddling! CHAPTERS2:27 Main Segment: SYL is a touring escort36:05 Misconception: That SWers can’t say no 41:38 Shit People Say: “I’m looking for sex, not English classes”45:11 Question of the Week: Sex work trendsPatreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR): http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Kaytlin Bailey is a contrarian by nature and a provocateur by trade. She is an internationally touring stand-up comic, sex worker rights advocate and writer. In 2020 she founded Old Pros where she continues her stubborn crusade against whorephobia and today she is talking to Holly & Jenna about why the history of sex work matters, who her favourite old pros are, and some of the complexities of advocacy and exploitation.Old Pros: https://oldprosonline.org/3:11 Kaytlin’s origin story 10:11 Money for feelings: political fundraising vs sex work 12:44 What is Old Pros?19:23 Why the history of sex work matters25:27 Kaytlin’s favourite whores of yore43:19 Adversity and diversity in advocacy 48:53 Conversations about exploitationInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.htmlTas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.orgWA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show

Turned On is a new series in which Holly & Jenna react to different representations of sex work in media. For this first episode, they are reacting to Jubilee’s YouTube video ‘6 Sex Workers vs 1 Secret Virgin’ from their Odd One Out series. Watch the video first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKVGUfbDP2gPatreon (from $3AUD/month): http://www.patreon.com/somebodyyoupodInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/somebodyyoupodTwitter: http://www.twitter.com/somebodyyoupodFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/somebodyyoupodSomebody You Love is sponsored by Assembly Four, empowering sex workers through technology: https://assemblyfour.com/ For more info on sex work in Australia, please check out the following organisations: Scarlet Alliance: https://www.scarletalliance.org.au/ACT (SWOP ACT): https://meridianact.org.au/swop/NSW (SWOP NSW): https://swop.org.au/NT (SWOP NT): https://www.ntahc.org.au/swopntQld (Respect Inc): https://respectqld.org.au/SA (SIN): http://www.sin.org.au/sindex.html Tas (Scarlet Alliance): https://scarletalliance.org.au/links/Vic (Vixen Collective): https://www.vixencollective.org/vcWA (SWEAR):http://sexworkerrightswa.org WA (Magenta): http://magenta.org.auSupport the show