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The Hey Chaplain podcast is where cops can encourage each other by sharing their wisdom and experience with the Chaplain. On Hey Chaplain you'll hear from dispatchers and federal agents, Sheriffs and US Marshals, as well as local detectives and patrolmen. From the LAPD to Scotland Yard, the guests on Hey Chaplain deliver advice and insights so that police officers everywhere can survive and thrive. The host, Jared Altic, has over 25 years of experience serving and counseling military and law enforcement families. The show looks at both the humorous and traumatic sides of police life, sharing wisdom to create healthy cops both at work and at home. New podcast episodes about police life and chaplaincy are available on first, third, and fifth Mondays of each month. Look for occasional special bonus episodes! Share this podcast with a cop or someone who loves a cop.

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The United States has a long history of first generation immigrants filling the roles of first responders, both police and fire.  As long as there has been police and fire stations, there have been uniformed personnel with a bit of a foreign accent.  So I wanted to bring you a modern example of someone who was born in a foreign country and immigrated here, overcoming language and cultural barriers .  Today we're talking to Violeta Magee who immigrated with her family from the former Yugoslavia.  Violetta grew up in a war-torn country but immigrated to the United States and became a cop and has now risen through the ranks in our department in Kansas City.Music is by Brian Bolger and by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 072Tags:Police, Cadet, Career, Culture, Detective, Immigrant, Language, Promotions, Kansas City, Kansas, Texas, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, SerbiaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Between his trips criss-crossing the country, I asked Dr. Barry Young to stop in my office and cover an important topic:  Death Notifications.    It's shocking how little and how poorly this subject has been taught because it directly affects the relationship between a community and its police department.  Every death notification leaves a permanent mark on at least two people:  the recipient… and the notifier.Warning: this episode contains limited descriptions of suicide and other deaths.  Listener discretion is advised.Resources:Dr. Barry Young's website: https://www.servingheroes.netBarry's calendar of trainings: https://www.servingheroes.net/register-calendar/Music is by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Bonus Episode 24Tags:Death Notifications, Chaplains, Counseling, Death, Police, Training, Independence, Kansas City, Kansas, MissouriSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
How do you get the bad guy to offer up  a confession?  It may be part science but it's also largely an art, managing not only the psychology of the suspect but also your own emotions, like pride, anger, disgust, and impatience.  For most officers it helps to have someone dialed in who can mentor you and help you find that balance that produces results.  Today I'm talking to Mike Baldwin who was a cop from Maricopa County, Arizona for over 20 years.  We talk about getting your career advancement stopped by office politics and how Mike reestablished himself as an effective investigator who could get suspects to write confessions.Music is by FSM Team, by the Mini Vandals, and by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 071Tags:Police, Career, Bitterness, Detectives, Demotion, Interviews, Investigations, Miranda, Office politics, Resiliency, Suspects, ArizonaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Today we continue our conversation with Jim Dudley from San Francisco.  Jim was involved in an officer involved shooting as a patrolman in which he and his partner were nearly killed.  We talk about how that incident has influenced him over the different parts of his career.  We discuss how encouraging preparedness in the next generation is a great mission for older and retired officers and then we shift to talking about some of the challenges in modern law enforcement and the city of San Francisco specifically, but we only talk about politics for a few moments, because I also had questions about the movie industry in California and it's interaction and influence on law enforcement.Resources:Jim's podcast is one of the largest police related podcasts; it's called Policing MattersAlso check out other resources available at Police1.comMusic is by Track Tribe and by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 070.5Tags:Police, Career, Drugs, Experience, Homelessness, Movies, Preparedness, Television, Trauma, Use of Force, San Francisco, CaliforniaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Today we have an officer involved shooting story from San Francisco.  Our guest is Jim Dudley, who you might know as the voice of the Policing Matters podcast from Police1.com.   Jim is also a retired deputy chief from San Francisco PD and offered to tell his story from when he was a patrol officer in the City by the Bay.  Take note of what a close call this fight was for both Jim and his partner, and notice how he describes the effect it had on him immediately afterward. Resources:Jim's podcast is one of the largest police related podcasts; it's called Policing MattersAlso check out other resources available at Police1.comMusic is by Track TribeHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 070Tags:Police, Career, Defensive Tactics, Drugs, Equipment, Fights, Investigation, Patrol, Shooting, Trauma, Violence, San Francisco, CaliforniaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Officers are asked to go investigate all kinds of things that go bump in the night.  Spooky houses, hospitals, funeral homes, churches, and cemeteries are all have to be checked out.  But at the department that I serve, there are multiple people who believe our headquarters is haunted.  It's a old building where you feel the history, with lots of long dark hallways and questionable lighting.  I'll be joking around about ghost stories and the smiles will drop from the faces of professional men and women, who suddenly get very serious and say, "No, I've seen things in that building."I asked for a volunteer to give me an example and multiple people nominated Shawn Magee.  He's a former SWAT sergeant turned captain in the Investigative Bureau, who now works overnights in one of the spookiest buildings in our city.Music is by Chris Haugen, by Brian Bolger, and by TrackTribeHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 069Tags:Halloween, Career, Detectives, Ghosts, Haunted House, Humor,  Paranormal, Police, Police Station, Spooky, Kansas City, KansasSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Marriage in law enforcement seems like a doomed subject sometimes.  It's difficult so people talk about it as if it's impossible.  But I know several long time married, wise and successful couples where one or both have been cops and they prove that it absolutely is possible to survive an LEO career and keep your marriage.  So today we're talking to Erica Davis.  Erica married a cop… and lived to tell the tale!  If fact, I found her teaching classes at a conference about how to provide meaningful help to LEO wives and that inspired me to get an interview with her.Music is by Chris Haugen, by Brian Bolger, and by FSM TeamHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 068Tags:Marriage, Communication, Culture, Dispatchers, Family, Law Enforcement, Police, Priorities, Purposefulness, Relationships, Schedules, Stress, Support, Understanding, Colorado, Kansas Support the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Today we're talking again to Jonathon Westbrook, from episode 011.  Now, two years later, Jonathon is running for a seat in the US House of Representatives. Because he's making a first time run for congress, I wanted to put his story in front of you, to give you a glimpse into the process, and to talk about what it means for a cop to run for public office. I know a lot of you can follow the same path, and maybe you should, but before you do, please listen to Jonathon talk about the reasons why you should or shouldn't get into politics. Listen to what he says about matters of character and principle and values, because moving from law enforcement to elected office can be a great way to serve but it can also undo you.Related Episodes:Jonathon's previous interview, Episode 011: https://heychaplain.buzzsprout.com/1792621/9191572-011-a-year-in-the-white-house-jonathon-westbrookTransitioning from police officer to Sheriff, Episode 012: https://heychaplain.buzzsprout.com/1792621/9299745-012-becoming-the-sheriff-don-ashAnother episode on being elected Sheriff, Episode 051: https://heychaplain.buzzsprout.com/1792621/12375171-051-rural-cop-sheriff-randy-hendersonMusic is by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Bonus Episode 23Tags: Politics, Career, Elections, Ethics, Family, Planning, Police, Purpose, Principles, Values, Kansas City, KansasSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Surprise! It's the 100th episode of the Hey Chaplain podcast… if you count every "part two," bonus, and update. So today let's talk about where the podcast is at and what's coming in the future. The show is opening doors for me and for my guests and I'm really grateful to you for spreading the word; thanks for telling a cop or someone who loves a cop!And from the bottom of my heart, thank you for supporting Hey Chaplain!Music is by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Milestone Episode 100Tags: Podcast, Finances, Fundraising, Help, Ministry, Support, Trade Shows, Kansas City, KansasSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Naturally, I think every cop should listen to every episode of Hey Chaplain.  But this one… this is really important.  It's about leadership and integrity, corruption and gaslighting… it's a about a type of dishonest supervisor who can destroy the culture of a police department and then walk away looking like the only hero.  Warren Wilson calls that character a Münchausen Manager and he wrote an article about it for Police1, which is how I found him.  Listen to this episode, read Warren's article, and pass this on so that everyone will have the vocabulary to explain the odd behavior we sometimes see.Resources:Warren's Police1 article: https://www.police1.com/chiefs-sheriffs/articles/how-to-identify-and-combat-munchausen-behavior-at-work-dpTsefxI4k2hL1p3/Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."Heinlein's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity… but don't rule out malice."Music is by Chris Haugen and by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 067Tags:Police, Career, Character, Corruption, Hiring, Integrity, Leadership, Mental Health, Morale, Principles, Psychology, Recruitment, Service, Standards, Supervisors, Kansas, OklahomaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
We need 10,000 more first responder chaplains but there's not enough church-trained clergy to recruit those kinds of numbers. So we are going to have to recruit retired first responders! Retired first responders come with a pension, cultural competency, and a passion for the people who run toward danger. But they'll need training, pastoral experience, and one other thing… convincing.Thank you to the guys from the Washdown Podcast for the excerpt from Episode 125Music is by FSM TeamsHey Chaplain Podcast Bonus Episode 22Tags: Chaplains, Career, Culture, Fire, First Responders, Police, Recruitment, Wellness, Kansas City, KansasSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Ward Jenkins is joining us again.  I was wanting to do an episode, not specifically on Internal Affairs, but generally about officer integrity.  Ward has a good story on that topic and he was also adjacent to the famous Rampart Corruption Scandal in LA over twenty years ago.  So Ward can speak specifically about cops throwing away their career, or worse, for short term gain.  There is no greater danger to your career than compromise; this is an area you absolutely have to get right.Music is by Chris Haugen and by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 066Tags:Police, Accusations, Board of Rights, Career, Compromise, Corruption, Drugs, Ethics, Homeless, Integrity, Internal Affairs, Investigation, Scandal, Rampart, Skid Row, Los Angeles, CaliforniaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Today we're talking about cold case investigation with J Warner Wallace, he's a famous cold case homicide detective who had his cases featured on television for a decade. Interestingly, he also was once a 35 year old atheist cop who applied his knowledge of solving cold cases to the Bible and then became a Christian.  A police officer who's law enforcement skills led him to faith?  Now that's an interesting story.The first twenty minutes or so are about cold case investigations: how to build a case to convince a jury, how to work with a DA, and how to prioritize your cases.  In the second half of the interview we transition to Jim's personal story of investigating Christianity like a cold case detective and being transformed from vocal atheist to believing Christian.  And don't miss what he says at the end of interview about working in a job full of skeptics as a new believer. Again, the religious stuff kicks in about 22 minutes in (and it's really interesting!) but please don't miss one of the most famous cold case detectives in the country talking about his work.Resources:Cold Case Christianity website: coldcasechristianity.comThe Thin Blue Life website: www.thethinbluelife.comMusic is by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 065Tags:Cold Cases, Book, Career, Case Building, Circumstantial Evidence, Court, Cumulative Evidence, Evidence, Faith, Homicide, Interviews, Juries, Police, Psychology, Television, Truth, Writing, Los Angeles, Torrance, CaliforniaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
The 1980 Norco Shootout was an astonishing bank robbery turned running gun battle turned manhunt turned courtroom drama/circus.  And like any critical incident, it had an effect on everyone involved.  But throughout this story, I kept asking the same question: how are these officers doing now, 40 years after the deadly event?Author Peter Houlahan was in a unique position to help me answer that question; he had interviewed almost everyone involved.  And while he and I are not claiming to be the final word on someone else's mental health, I have a lot of respect for Peter's assessment as a fellow first responder who has been to his own share of traumatic calls, including ones you would know the names of. Here in part two of my interview with Peter, we discuss the effects on the Norco participants both in the first few years and also decades later when he had the chance to speak to them directly for his book.  We also talk a bit more about the writing and researching process.Resources:Peter's book, Norco '80: https://a.co/d/g801NJPPeter's website: https://www.peterhoulahan.comMusic is by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 064.5Tags:Bank Robbery, Book, Career, Debriefing, Gunfight, Health, Lawyers, Leadership, Mental Health, Psychology, PTSD, Pursuit, Sheriff, Shootout, Suicide, Trauma, Writing, Norco, Riverside, San Bernardino County, CaliforniaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
The Norco shootout is a very modern critical incident, despite happening over 40 years ago.  Apart from the lack of cell phones, much of this could happen today.   The bank robbery, shootout, and manhunt that happened in Riverside County California in 1980 are important in part because it is one of just a few historical events that directly led to every police car in America having a patrol rifle.  It's also important because four decades have passed; this gives us the ability to more accurately reflect on what went wrong, what tools made a difference, and what mistakes did law enforcement leadership make before, during, and after an incident that shot up 32 police cars and a police helicopter.Peter Houlahan is an author and a first responder.  He wrote the seminal book on the subject of the Norco shootout, titled Norco '80.Resources:Peter's book, Norco '80: https://a.co/d/g801NJPPeter's website: https://www.peterhoulahan.comMusic is by Chris Haugen and by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 064Tags:Bank Robbery, Book, Police Equipment, Gunfight, Highway Patrol, Investigation, Lawyers, Leadership, Police, Pursuit, Research, Sheriff, Sheriff Deputies, Shootout, Writing, Norco, Riverside, CaliforniaSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Let's define a wellness retreat as a combination of vacation, seminar, professional conference, and counseling session.  But most cops I know are very reluctant to go to one,  in fact they avoid it like the plague.  But I want to encourage you to attend these events.  And I also want to figure out how we can make these events more effective at helping first responders and veterans.  To that end, we'll be talking to my friend from California, Matt Domyancic, because the retreats he's involved in have been very successful.If you want to help first responders and veterans be healthier, consider donating to Matt or to Peterson Outdoor Ministries.Resources:Matt's website: https://www.tacticalchaplain.com/Peterson Outdoor Ministries: https://petersonoutdoors.org/Music is by Chris HaugenHey Chaplain Podcast Bonus Episode 21Tags:Faith, Gentleness, Health, Religion, Retreats, Stigma, Wellness, California, MissouriSupport the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Today I'm talking to Paul Kurtzweil, better known on YouTube as QRoo Paul.  Paul is a retired deputy who moved to Mexico but now finds himself teaching Spanish on YouTube.  I wanted to talk to Paul for multiple reasons.  First I think he genuinely can help those of us who are stuck in learning Spanish.  But secondly, I wanted you to hear from a retired LEO who is very successfully navigating his second chapter.  You might not want to teach a second language on YouTube, but Paul gives fantastic insights about what to do with yourself after law enforcement.Resources:Paul's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@QrooSpanishPaul's book, Functional Police Spanish: https://a.co/d/5AmnXLzMusic is by Chris Haugen and by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 063Support the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
My guest today is Hansie Breedt, who was a police chaplain in South Africa both before and after the end of Apartheid.  Hansie talks about his experience in a police force that went from a minority white controlled government to a majority black controlled government.  But I especially want you to hear what his officers, both black and white, went through 30 years ago and how similar it is to what you might experience today.Music is by Chris Haugen and by Alexander NakaradaHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 062Support the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
Steven Keogh from Scotland Yard has a new book that is one part history, one part modern true crime, with a Sherlock Holmes kind of flavor; it's called Murder Investigation Team: Jack the Ripper.  The book reinvestigates the serial murder crime spree of Jack the Ripper and compares and contrasts how that investigation in 1888 was done compared to how Scotland Yard would pursue it today.Steven gives a really satisfying analysis of what happened, which murders were actually committed by the same serial killer, how police leadership got in the way of the investigation, and what motivated Jack the Ripper to kill his victims in the way that he did.Resources:Steven's book is Murder Investigation Team: Jack the Ripper:  https://a.co/d/8zCnnIRSteven's website: https://murderacademy.comMusic is by Chris Haugen and by Winking Fox MusicHey Chaplain Podcast Episode 061 Support the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
This is a story of parents who came up in hard times and imparted values and principles that are critically important today to Law Enforcement, family, and our culture. In one sense, it's obviously the continuation of episode 060 with Mark Garrett from the California Highway Patrol, although the topic is dramatically different.  But in another sense, it's more like the a continuation of episode 048 -- the episode with Rabbi Tzvi Levin, talking about his family history and the influence of his parents.  This interview does the same thing, and there's a lot of similarities. Music is by Chris Haugen and by Winking Fox MusicHey Chaplain Podcast Bonus Episode 20Support the showThanks for Listening! And, as always, pray for peace in our city.Subscribe/Follow here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hey-chaplain/id1570155168 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CGK9A3BmbFEUEnx3fYZOY Email us at: heychaplain44@gmail.comYou can help keep the show ad-free by buying me a coffee!https://www.buymeacoffee.com/heychaplain
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