Digital identity often focuses on verifying who someone is at login. However, authentication does not determine what that person, service, or AI agent should be allowed to access or do next. As organizations connect more applications, APIs, and third-party services, authorization decisions must reflect real-time context, relationships, consent, purpose, and risk.In this episode of Trust Talks & Digital Dives, IDENTOS CEO Mike Cook and CTO Alec Laws discuss how policy-based access control (PBAC) closes the gap between identity verification and authorization. They explain how PBAC differs from traditional role-based models, supports a zero trust approach, and helps organizations govern human and non-human access. The conversation also examines the consequences of weak authorization in healthcare and the public sector and offers practical guidance for strengthening digital trust beyond the login. Featured GuestsMike Cook, CEO at IDENTOSAs CEO of IDENTOS, Mike demonstrates the skills required to build and lead a thriving enterprise. Fueled by Mike’s unwavering dedication to delivering exceptional experiences for customers and partners, IDENTOS has earned recognition from the Globe & Mail as one of Canada's fastest-growing companies, driven by consistent expansion and strong profitability.Recognized for his strategic vision regarding the future of identity, authorization, and consent, Mike is the trusted authority in the government and healthcare sectors. He has shaped pivotal industry standards, including Kantara’s UMA 2.0, the Digital Governance Council's health access standards, and DIACC’s Pan-Canadian Trust Framework. Industry peers regularly rely on Mike’s expertise to strengthen trust through partnerships that empower individuals to gain greater control over their data.LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/cookm Alec Laws, CTO at IDENTOSAlec Laws is the Chief Technology Officer at IDENTOS and a principal architect of the company's core authorization platform. With a background in mobile development and solutions architecture, Alec leads a team of engineers focused on building secure, scalable identity and access solutions. He is the driving technical force behind the ongoing evolution of the product suite.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aleclaws/ Moderator:Joni Brennan, President at DIACCLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonibrennan/ Key Discussion Topics & QuestionsWhat is policy-based access control, and how does it differ from the role-based access control models most organizations already use?Why is PBAC more important today than it was five years ago as organizations connect more applications, APIs, third-party services, and AI agents?Where does PBAC fit within a zero trust strategy, and how does it complement existing identity tools such as SSO and MFA?What is different about authorizing an AI agent compared with authorizing a human user or a traditional service account?What is a real-world consequence of not having this authorization layer in place, particularly in healthcare or public sector environments?How does IDENTOS’ involvement with DIACC, Kantara Initiative, and the Digital Governance Council translate into practical benefits for customers?If an organization already uses SSO and MFA, what is the first practical step toward adding PBAC, and what should security and privacy leaders ask their vendors?What final advice would you give organizations preparing for more dynamic, delegated, and agent-driven access?References & ResourcesIDENTOS: identos.com PolicyArc, powered by IDENTOS: https://policyarc.com/ Architecture of Trust series blog posts (with Eve Maler) - Article 1 of 3: https://www.identos.com/blog/beyond-the-handshake-bridging-the-identity-execution-gap