In part 2 of our roundtable conversation with Janice Lagata, we begin working our way through Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control and take a look at how our various experiences in different Evangelical groups fall under the categories listed in the BITE model.Janice:Website | janicelagata.comInstagram | @godhasnotgivenPodcast | God Has Not GivenBook | A Seriously Hilarious, Surprisingly Heartfelt, Completely Unauthorized Musical Parody: Act OnePatreon | Janice Lagata on Patreon---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, and on Instagram at @fullmutuality. Join the conversation in our Discord server at discord.gg/C3DUZdF3HJ. Visit fullmutuality.com for more ways to connect with us.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more content. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nate and Gail are joined by Dr. Brad Onishi, expert on Christian nationalism and the history of White Evangelicalism. Brad is one of the hosts of the Straight White American Jesus podcast, a religion and politics show that analyzes the Christian nationalist movement in the United States. Brad's new book, Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism–And What Comes Next traces the history of the religious movements that led to the insurrection and attempted coup at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.Brad's website: bradonishi.comBrad's book: Bookshop.orgIndieBound.orgBarnes & NobleIndigoAmazonBrad's podcast: Straight White American JesusBrad's social media:TwitterInstagramFacebook---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, and on Instagram at @fullmutuality. Join the conversation in our Discord server at discord.gg/C3DUZdF3HJ. Visit fullmutuality.com for more ways to connect with us.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more content. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Our good friend Janice Lagata from God Has Not Given joins Gail and Nate for a roundtable conversation discussing the question, "Is Evangelicalism a cult?" In the first part of our conversation, we introduce the topic and touch on Steven Hassan's BITE model of authoritarian control.Links mentioned in the episode:‘An Evangelical Childhood is a Total Mindfuck’ New Memoir Recounts the Anxiety and Thrills of Growing Up a Conservative ChristianEvangelical Anxiety: A Memoir by Charles MarshJanice:Website | janicelagata.comInstagram | @godhasnotgivenPodcast | God Has Not GivenBook | A Seriously Hilarious, Surprisingly Heartfelt, Completely Unauthorized Musical Parody: Act OnePatreon | Janice Lagata on Patreon---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, and on Instagram at @fullmutuality. Join the conversation in our Discord server at discord.gg/C3DUZdF3HJ. Visit fullmutuality.com for more ways to connect with us.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more content. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Producer's note: This episode contains discussions of sexual assault by clergy and child sex abuse by clergy. Listener discretion is advised.Former Hillsong Church member and author of the book People in Glass Houses: An Insider's Story of a Life In and Out of Hillsong Tanya Levin sits down with Gail and Nate to talk about her experience at Hillsong in Australia from its founding and what she has learned in the years since.Tanya is also the host of the popular podcast Leaving Hillsong, where she regularly features the stories of those who have left the Hillsong empire. Through her book, podcast, and Instagram account, Tanya provides insightful and inspirational information for people dealing with the trauma of Hillsong and their adjacent churches.Tanya's book:Bookshop.orgAmazonTanya's links:WebsitePodcastInstagramNew York Times article about Hillsong's deal with Facebook: "Facebook’s Next Target: The Religious Experience"CORRECTION: Frank Houston was not convicted of child sex abuse. He was reported to the church, allowed to quietly resign, and paid hush money to the victim.---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Join the conversation in our Discord server at discord.gg/C3DUZdF3HJ. Visit fullmutuality.com for more ways to connect with us.Support Full Mutuality by partnering with us on Patreon at patreon.com/fullmutuality or by giving a one-time gift on our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more content. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Musician and Co-Host of the podcast Veterans of Culture Wars Zach Malm joins Gail and Nate to share the story of his involvement at the infamous Mars Hill Church and how he helped to bring it down. The wide-ranging conversation delves into his experience with the disgraced pastor Mark Driscoll and the stories that made up the website We Love Mars Hill.You can find all of Zach's podcast, social media, and other websites on linktr.ee/vcwpod.---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Join the conversation in our Discord server at discord.gg/C3DUZdF3HJ. Visit fullmutuality.com for more ways to connect with us.Support Full Mutuality by partnering with us on Patreon at patreon.com/fullmutuality or by giving a one-time gift on our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more content. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

English professor and author Cynthia Vacca Davis joins Gail and Nate to discuss her new book, Intersexion, Her book tells the dual narrative of Danny, an intersex AFAB man who was born and raised in a conservative Christian environment, and Cynthia herself, facing the forfeiture of her dream job thanks to a Christian university's stance on LGBTQIA+ people.To purchase Cynthia's book, visit one of the following links:Bookshop.org | https://bookshop.org/books/intersexion-a-story-of-faith-identity-and-authenticity/9781957687063IndieBound | https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781957687063Kobo | https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/intersexion-2Amazon | https://www.amazon.com/Intersexion-Story-Faith-Identity-Authenticity/dp/1957687061/Cynthia's website: cynthiavaccadavis.com---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Join the conversation in our Discord server at discord.gg/C3DUZdF3HJ Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Support Full Mutuality by partnering with us on Patreon at patreon.com/fullmutuality or by giving a one-time gift on our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more content. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Here's an extended edition of this episode for all our Patreon partners!Educator and writer Jo Luehmann joins Nate and Gail to discuss her work in deconstructing and decolonizing Christianity. The conversation follows a wide range of topics, from harmful practices of the church to adoption and foster care to abortion and education.Jo:•Website | joluehmann.com •TikTok | @joluehmann•Twitter | @joluehmann•Instagram | @joluehmann•Facebook | fb.com/joluehmann•YouTube | youtube.com/c/JoLuehmannX•Patreon | patreon.com/joluehmann  Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Support Full Mutuality by partnering with us on Patreon at patreon.com/fullmutuality or to give a one-time gift, visit our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Educator and writer Jo Luehmann joins Nate and Gail to discuss her work in deconstructing and decolonizing Christianity. The conversation follows a wide range of topics, from harmful practices of the church to adoption and foster care to abortion and education.Jo:•Website | joluehmann.com •TikTok | @joluehmann•Twitter | @joluehmann•Instagram | @joluehmann•Facebook | fb.com/joluehmann•YouTube | youtube.com/c/JoLuehmannX•Patreon | patreon.com/joluehmann  ---Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Support Full Mutuality by partnering with us on Patreon at patreon.com/fullmutuality or to giving a one-time gift on our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Gail and Nate reflect on their first set of episodes, talk about what's in the future for the podcast, and give an update on Dauntless Media Collective.Join the Dauntless Media Collective Discord Server by visiting discord.gg/GxmYTRA2US.For more content from our friends, visit dauntless.fm.To join Full Mutuality as a partner, visit our Patreon page at patreon.com/fullmutuality.To give a one-time gift, visit our Buy-Me-A-Coffee page at buymeacoffee.com/fullmutuality.Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Scott Okamoto, host of the podcast Chapel Probation, joins Nate and Gail to talk about his own faith deconstruction while working as an English professor at the conservative Evangelical school Azusa Pacific University.Scott:•Website: rscottokamoto.com•Podcast: chapelprobation.dauntless.fm•Instagram: @rsokamoto•Twitter: @rsokamoto•Blog Post: "I Don't Miss God. Really!" •Scott's Other Podcast: podcastpotluck.com/asiansinbaseballFollow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jenn Alynn-Perri joins Gail and Nate for a conversation about how purity culture oppresses healthy sexual expressions and promotes a harmful sexual ethic.Jenn:•Facebook •Instagram •Twitter  Resources mentioned in the episode:•Pride Link•SC Upstate LGBT+ Chamber of Commerce•Bored Panda Article: "Victims Who Were Told That Their Clothing Got Them Sexually Assaulted Display What They Were Wearing"  Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lance Weldy and Peter Crane join Nate and Gail to discuss their stories of life as gay people at Bob Jones University. Lance's forthcoming book, BJU & Me: Queer Voices from the World's Most Christian University, is a compilation of stories of many LGBTQ+ people who attended the conservative fundamentalist Christian university based in Greenville, SCPre-order the book:University of Georgia PressBookshop.orgLance:Website | lanceweldy.com Instagram | @lanceweldyPeter:Instagram | @fotocrane Resources mentioned in the episode:BJUnity | bjunity.org Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Kayla Felten, Co-Founder of the Reclamation Collective, joins Nate and Gail to discuss her work in religious trauma, spiritual abuse, and adverse religious experiences, and to talk about reclaiming and rediscovering yourself after having your spiritual identity prescribed for you by others in power over you.Reclamation Collective:web | reclamationcollective.com instagram | @reclamationcollective facebook | fb.com/reclamationcollective Resources:Institute for Integrative Therapies | iit-mn.comPure by Linda Kay Klein | bookshop.org The Religious Trauma Institute | religioustraumainstitute.comThe Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery | traumaresolutionandrecovery.comFollow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Wes Curtis, a fellow Hillsong NYC survivor with Nate, shares his story of entering Hillsong, how he deconstructed while part of the church, and what his exit was like.Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Producer's note: This episode contains detailed discussions of non-consensual outing, mental health emergencies, and suicidal ideation. Listener discretion is advised.Noemi Uribe, who was interviewed for the documentary Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed, joins Nate and Gail to tell their story of their time at Hillsong Boston, where they were subjected to a number of spiritually abusive situations by their leaders and pastors.Referred to by Hillsong leaders as "the Boston Situation," Noemi navigated vague non-policies, homophobia, and a nearly-lethal mishandling of their mental illness.Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Janice Lagata continues sharing her thoughts and experiences from her time at Hillsong NYC and discusses what life and advocacy look like after leaving Hillsong and the larger evangelical world.Janice's website: janicelagata.comJanice's podcast: God Has Not GivenHillsong documentary on Discovery+: Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed - Discovery+Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Janice Lagata, host of the podcast God Has Not Given, joins Gail and Nate to talk about her experience at Hillsong, one of the largest megachurches in the world, and discusses her work building awareness of the abuses at that church while the entire organization crumbles.Janice's website: janicelagata.comJanice's podcast: God Has Not GivenHillsong documentary on Discovery+: Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed - Discovery+Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more.Full Mutuality is a Dauntless Media Collective podcast. Visit dauntless.fm for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jessica Goforth from the podcast Leaving the Village returns to talk about ATI & ILBP, the cult with which the Duggars—the infamous family from the reality TV show 19 Kids and Counting—are associated.•Jessica's podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/leavingthevillage•The BITE model of Authoritarian Control from Steven Hassan: https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nate and Gail are joined by Jessica Goforth, one of the hosts of the podcast Leaving the Village and survivor of Bill Gothard's ATI and IBLP cult. She provides a look behind the scenes into the brainwashing and abuse that goes on in this Evangelical Christian cult.•Jessica’s podcast: https://dauntless.fm/podcast/leavingthevillage•Video of ATI student choir: https://youtu.be/LUSgPdX7W78•Image from large ATI/IBLP conference: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlKO91yf9AQAhYlPHD3OcHsiPW6XbQFollow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Canada's capital Ottawa has now been under siege for 3 weeks. Canadian journalist Tabi Wells joins Gail and Nate to discuss how a fringe anti-mandate group of self-proclaimed "freedom fighters" inspired by American alt-right groups have held Canada hostage. How did we get here?Resources mentioned in this episode:This article by CBC explains the Emergencies Act Trudeau invoked.Vox explains why in-/out-group differentiation is much stronger on the right and takes precedence over facts. This explains why with anti-vaxxers staying true to your group is a powerful pull (especially for conservatives).PsychCentral examines how 'Anti-Vaxxers' May Think Differently Than Other People. The researchers discovered that people higher in vaccine skepticism were less accurate in their estimations of mortality-related events and overestimated the negative events, more easily swayed by anecdotal horror stories.The Independent explores through studies the link between childhood trauma and people who refuse the vaccine here.Follow us on Twitter at @fullmutuality, on Facebook at fb.com/fullmutuality, on Instagram at @fullmutuality, and on WordPress at fullmutuality.wordpress.com. Visit fullmutuality.com for more. Join as a partner on Patreon for exclusive content! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.