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How might our strategies for solving the world’s biggest problems change if we knew that radical, system-wide change was already underway? In this podcast, anthropologist and award-winning science communicator Phil Loring will talk with experts, activists, and visionaries from around the world and ask, “What might a radically changed future entail? What steps can we take right now to change course and make such a future possible?" Join us in this expansive conversation about the amazing futures that lie ahead.
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In this final episode of the season, guest host Dr. Hannah Harrison interviews Phil about the show, what he's learned, and his own aspirations for a radically changed future. They also discuss the meaning behind the "the second transition"!
Michelle Holliday, author of "The Age of Thrivability: Vital Perspectives and Practices for a Better World" joins me on this episode. We talk about changing world views about the future, regenerative agriculture and tourism, building bridges, healing, and the joys of leaving the mechanistic world view behind. You can learn more about Michelle and her work here: https://michelleholliday.com/ and can follow her on Twitter @Thrivability and LinkedIn and Medium @Michelleholliday
Neuroscientist Robin Mazumder joins me to talk about cities and the effects they have on our minds and mental well-being. We talk about ways cities can be hostile to the unhoused and those with disabilities, and Robin makes the case that cities can be a part of a more caring and equitable world. You can follow Robin on Twitter @RobinMazumder.
Dr. Brett Favaro, author of "The Carbon Code" and Dean of the Faculty of Science and Horticulture at Kwantlen Polytechnic University joins Phil for a conversation about climate change, electification, and climate justice. We talk about the exciting solutions that exist now and the challenge of convincing more people to act in an information ecosystem full of harmful messaging and misinformation. You can follow Brett on Twitter @LetsFishSmarter and find his book wherever books are sold.
In this episode Phil speaks with environmental philosopher and author of Earth Emotions, Glenn Albrecht. They talk about the importance of having a language for the feelings we experience during environmental crisis and change, and about developing a new vision for humanity, a future Glenn calls "the Symbiocene." You can find Glenn's writing on his blog, https://glennaalbrecht.wordpress.com/, and in his book, Earth Emotions (2019), which is for sale wherever books are sold.
Episode 17 - Abolition

Episode 17 - Abolition

2022-06-2029:29

In this episode Phil is once again joined by Ricardo Levins Morales for a conversation about police abolition and the deep roots of policing in the Klu Klux Klan and schemes to maintain the oppression of people of colour.
In partnership with the 2022 Arrell Food Summit, this episode features an interview with Michelle Week of Good Rain Farm (https://www.goodrainfarm.com/) outside of Portland, Oregon. We talk about food sovereignty and her work through farming to reconnect with her Indigenous Sinixt culture and heritage, which was nearly eliminated by colonialism and declared extinct by the Canadian government.
In this episode Phil talks with Flor Avelino, a researcher with the Dutch Institute for Transitions (DRIFT, https://drift.eur.nl/). They talk about the interplay of social and technological change, the different kinds of power that make (or break) transformations, and examples such as Wikipedia and the sharing economy, You can find Flor on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FlorAvelinoThe Manifesto for Transformative Social Innovation can be found here: https://tsimanifesto.org/
Episode 14 - Land Back

Episode 14 - Land Back

2022-05-0924:38

In this episode Phil speaks with Riley Yesno, an Anishinaabe scholar and research fellow with University of Toronto and the Yellowhead Institute. They talk about the Land Back movement that seeks to restore indigenous sovereignty and stewardship over stolen lands, with a focus on dispelling myths and mischaracterizations of Land Back in favour of seeing the potential it holds as a transformative theory of change that can benefit everyone. You can learn more about Riley and her work at her website, https://rileyyesno.com/, and follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Rileyyesnomaybe.
In this episode, Phil talks with Reginaldo Haslett-Marroquin, CEO of the Regenerative Agriculture Alliance and author of the essential "In the Shadow of Green Man." Phil and Regi discuss the promise and imperative of regenerative solutions in food systems, and attempt to get at the heart of why so many people misunderstand or reject the relevance of this ancient wisdom to contemporary problems. You can learn more about Regi's work here:https://www.regenagalliance.org/ and follow him on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RegenPoultry
Episode 12 - Higher Ed

Episode 12 - Higher Ed

2022-04-1125:30

In this episode Phil talks with Dr. Shoshana Jacobs, a professor at the University of Guelph who has been an outspoken critic of university responses to COVID19 and tireless innovator when it comes to making universities more accessible, equitable, and inclusive. You can learn more about Dr. Jacob's work here http://www.shoshanahjacobs.ca/ and can find them on Twitter: https://twitter.com/shoshanahjacobs
Episode 11 - Community

Episode 11 - Community

2022-03-2824:48

In this episode Phil speaks with chef and social entrepreneur Mark Brand. Brand, host of the new radio show and podcast "Better", works with communities around the world to solve problems such as hunger and homelessness from the ground up by rebuilding compassionate, caring communities. We talk about the future of cities, overcoming the stigmas of problems like poverty and homelessness, and showing people that no problem is too big to solve. You can find out more about Mark here: https://www.markbrandinc.com/, about his foundation, A Better Life, here: https://www.abetterlifefoundation.us/, and follow Mark on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/RealMarkBrand
Episode 10 - Changes

Episode 10 - Changes

2022-03-1424:53

In this episode Phil speaks with Nora Bateson, an educator, filmmaker, and writer known for her distinctive expertise and perspectives on complexity and change. We talk about the discomfort and disquiet of change, the deeply seeded parts of our cultures that are presently undergoing rapid change, and the end of the age of individualism. You can learn more about Nora's work here: https://batesoninstitute.org/, and the essay we discuss in the episode, What is Submerging?" can be found here: https://norabateson.medium.com/what-is-submerging-ad12df016cde. You can also follow Nora on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NoraBateson
Episode 9 - Fisheries

Episode 9 - Fisheries

2022-02-2822:13

In this episode Phil talks with World Food Prize and Arrell Global Food Innovation Award winner Dr. Shakuntala Thilsted, of Worldfish. We talk about small scale fisheries, the blue economy, and shifting the global food narrative from "feeding" the world to "nourishing" it. You can follow Dr. Thilsted on twitter: https://twitter.com/trinidad1949
In this episode I speak with Rob Percival, author of the new book, The Meat Paradox. We explore the cultural, and psychological, and evolutionary basis of our complicated relationship with the animals we eat (or choose not to). You can connect with Rob on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Rob_Percival_ and find more information about his book here: https://rob-percival.com/
In this episode Phil speaks with Dr. Kelsey Leonard, a water scientist, legal scholar, policy expert, writer, and enrolled citizen of the Shinnecock Nation. They explore the imperative to acknowledge personhood for water, and how this goes part and parcel to democratizing water governance. They also hear briefly from Dr. Farhana Sultana of Syracuse University, about water justice and galvanizing water warriors. You can find more information about Dr. Leonard at https://www.kelseyleonard.com/ and can follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KelseyTLeonard. You can also learn more about Dr. Sultana at https://www.farhanasultana.com/ and follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Prof_FSultana
Episode 6 - Degrowth

Episode 6 - Degrowth

2022-01-1525:46

In this episode Phil speaks with Giorgos Kallis, author of the books "Limits" and "The Case for Degrowth", and Filka Sekulova of the think-tank Research and Degrowth, who researches the economic basis of happiness as well as degrowth and nature-based solutions in cities. You can follow Giorgos on twitter at https://twitter.com/g_kallis and can follow Filka's work at https://twitter.com/R_Degrowth
In this episode Phil talks with Dr. Million Belay, general coordinate for the Alliance for Food Sovereignty in Africa (https://afsafrica.org/). We explore food sovereignty, how corporate control of food systems has come to be, the Green Revolution, and agroecology. You can follow Million on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Million_Belay).
In this episode I speak with Anishinaabe author Waubgeshig Rice, author of Moon of the Crusted Snow. We talk about story, colonialism, the end of the world, and envisioning what comes after. Waub co-hosts the Storykeepers podcast, which is on all major platforms. You can also find Waub Rice on Twitter: @waub, on Instagram: @waubgeshigrice, and on his website http://www.waub.ca/. His novel is available wherever books are sold.
Episode 3 - Activism

Episode 3 - Activism

2021-11-2527:18

In this episode I talk with activist and trickster-artist Ricardo Levins Morales. Among his various impressive works is a primer on activism that artfully blends social and ecological ideas and messages. You can find his work at https://www.rlmartstudio.com/, and can follow Ricardo on Twitter @rlmartstudio and on Instagram @ricardolevinsmorales
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