The Mormon Renegade Podcast

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Ok it doesn’t matter where you are at on the Mormon spectrum, Active LDS, Mormon fundamentalist or uncorrelated Mormon this topic applies to us all. I have a had a theory for a while that as a general rule change in the LDS Church doesn’t begin at the top in Salt Lake City. It often begins in Provo at BYU. I think what we are going to talk about today fits that bill. We have known now for a little while that BYU had been pushing evolution not from a place of “hey this is one theory” but more from a “this is the way it is” type of place. Well now we are starting to see the fruits of that. On the shelves of Deseret Book right now is a book entitled “Let’s Talk About Science & Religion”. The books whole thrust is about showing how the theory of evolution and the Restored Gospel are totally compatible.  Today Nate Richardson (who by the way has a killer presentation on this) joins me on the podcast as we talk about the book. Now as we have our conversation Nate shows the books obvious fallacies, what early Mormon leaders had to say about the theory of evolution, why the science on this is not settled and then finally wrapping up with what some of the downstream consequences that will most likely occur by adopting the theory of evolution into Mormon theology.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Have you wondered what a Mormon Fundamentalist institute class would look and sound like? Well today you are going to get a sample of that. Michael Ness is beginning a class on the Old Testament and he agreed to come on the podcast and run through his first lesson on Genesis and creation. What ends up happening through our conversation is that we dive way deep on some pretty heavy stuff. We talk about the Adam-God doctrine, early apocryphal works, the ancient Egyptian Books of The Dead and Breathings, and much much, more that is guaranteed to blow your mind. Now if you interested in seeing Michaels class live reach out to me and I can hook you up with that link. Now strap in for some really deep doctrine.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products To Purchase The Book go to cash app @$PhilipWesterlund and Send $20.00   For a few years now I have seen a disturbing trend where some of our youth are being taught (I am looking at you BYU) the idea that Consecration is just communism with a religious angle. To address this Today I have Phil Westerlund on the podcast. Now Phil has led quite a life from his time as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam to his continued career as a helicopter pilot in the private sector. Phil somewhere in the middle of all that has had time to write a book entitled Liberty In Danger (We Must Not Sleep). Phil and have I have conversation about the book which breaks down the 10 points of the communist manifesto and then compares what the scriptures and early LDS leaders had to say on those topics and just kind of a spoiler…they were not fans of the idea. Through the book Phil shows that this idea simply isn’t true and I can’t recommend the book enough for Mormon Families. For those who wish to purchase the book simply hit the link in these episodes show notes. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

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Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I have been wanting to talk to folks who have made the jump to Mormon Fundamentalism and their lived experiences in making those changes. Now to start the series off I have got a real treat for you today as Adam Hosey joins me on the podcast today. Now Adam’s story is pretty unique in that he went from never being a Mormon at all straight into Mormon Fundamentalism. We talk about his childhood, his wilder younger years, the events that led him to realize he needed to make some life changes, to his acceptance of the Restored Gospel. We then move into his experiences and interactions with other fundamentalists while learning more. Now all along the way we get into some pretty deep conversations about Gospel topics, ideas, and doctrines and warp it all by talking about how Adam and his family are adjusting to life in their new faith. All through this conversation with Adam if you’re like me you might start to see that there are those who are ready and willing to embrace the Restored Gospel that we never thought of.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So unless you have been living under a rock you have probably seen on social media somewhere a man named Chief Midegah. He is the Native American gentleman who has been talking about the current plight of the Native Americans and sharing some very interesting connections to Mormonism and today he joins me on the podcast. Now if you want a lot of the doctrine and stories there is defiantly some of that in here. Now as cool as those stories are I wanted to get down to the nuts and bolts of what his vision is going forward to help his people.  During our conversation we end up covering some of the current push back he is getting, the history of his people, the Native Americans connection to the Book of Mormon, what are to his plans to help his people and finally an exploration of 3rdNephi 16. That’s  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   https://dpyne.substack.com   So do ya ever feel overwhelmed with trying to keep up with what’s               happening in the world? Well I know I do I mean there are only two active wars going on right now and the most contentious presidential                        election in history. I have been looking for someone who could give some perspective on this and was put in contact with David Pyne. Now Davids resume is impressive. Here are some of the highlights He has served in the U.S. Army, Studied National Security at Georgetown, Political Science at BYU, was a former state senate candidate, National Security Policy Director for Senator Mike Lee, and finally Defense & Foreign Policy Advisor for former presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. So, you might not always agree with some of his takes but his analysis deserves consideration. We cover everything from the roots of the conflict in Russia and Ukraine, Chinas desire to control Taiwan. It’s pretty insightful commentary that puts all of what is happening into a little bit more perspective. Finaly, we finish up by talking about what this all could mean for the upcoming months and what you and your family can do to prepare.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   https://www.amazon.com/Joseph-White-Musser-Fundamentalist-Introductions/dp/0252087755/ref=sr_1_1?crid=353SRZYAXAWAZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qbgNPMbtYa-qWerWf9SvsNFTXafH8eU0s4NrIirnTviH7Tc0CkTEl6vPZR6_hApqNoG2jSM9g7Qgm-qTFqWlvYIyDBmuJxlCWGyR9SdehF-73oWplzt15wvfS1nuB65G.kvDLBzRLnWXhyFhmQbCAKgCSS0taOiQ_8cJeDxcK43Y&dib_tag=se&keywords=cristina+rosetti&qid=1717197405&s=books&sprefix=cristina+rosetti%2Cstripbooks%2C109&sr=1-1   https://restorationtorahconference.org   About a year ago I released two episodes on Joseph Musser with Michael Ness. Recently Cristina Rosetti released her highly anticipated new book about Joseph Musser. Now if you know anything about Cristina you are well aware of her scholarship and how she has approaches the study of Mormon Fundamentalism. She has always done a very good job of portraying us fairly. Well today she joins me again on the podcast as we talk about her new book which covers Musser’s ministry, his personal life, his relationships with the Woolley’s, John Y Barlow, and even end up touching on the organization the new with Rulon Allred. From time to time in our conversation you will get to peek inside to the man he really was and just how much he both loved and sacrificed for the original teachings of the Restored Gospel. After listening to this conversation and reading the book I think you will find that your admiration and appreciation for Musser will only deepen.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products https://www.amazon.com/s?k=drew+briney&i=stripbooks&crid=3Q1W5NN78T9AT&qid=1717201834&sprefix=drew+briney%2Cstripbooks%2C121&ref=sr_pg_1   So, when we talk about the revelations of Joseph Smith where does your mind go? If you’re anything like me, it goes to the Doctrine & Covenants. Now you’re not wrong in this but what if I said that there was a whole bunch more revelations and teachings from Joseph Smith that rarely ever get looked at because of the hours it would take to catalog and publish those teachings. Man, if only there was a guy who would want to endure that kind of pain to publish those things from Joseph……well luck for us there is. Drew Briney joins me again on the podcast as we talk about his new books the Forgotten Teachings and Insights of Joseph Smith. We talk about how the book came together, how he sourced all the material and how he went about putting the book together. We then go over a few pages of the book and along the way find ourselves in some pretty deep doctrinal discussions as we talk about the Forgotten Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

As followers of the Restoration we have a lot of things on our plates that require our attention. We have our callings and church responsibilities, temple work, missionary work, to just name a few and this is on top of just trying to work and raise our families and helping them obtain a testimony of the Restored Gospel. However, this does not excuse us from the other things the Lord has asked us to do. The Book of Mormon from the title page to Jarom, to 3rd Nephi tells us that we have to take the Fullness of the Gospel to Lehi’s posterity. Now let me ask you a question how good have we as Mormons, both LDS and Fundamentalists been at taking the Gospel to Lehi’s posterity? If you’re anything like I kind of shifted uncomfortably in my seat as I contemplated this question. Today on the podcast I have Jeff, Vanessa, & Sharis Alldredge on to talk about this subject. Along the way we cover Mormonism’s interactions with the Native Americans, How we have fallen down on this and what we must do if we desire the blessings of The Lord in the last days.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   https://open.spotify.com/search/angles%20%26%20seerstones/episodes   When you look at any society one of the things that binds those societies together are stories. It has been that way since man first gathered around a fire and talked with other people. Not only do those stories bind us together, they inform us and newcomers to the society what that particular society is about. Today on the podcast I have Christopher Blythe on talk about Mormon lore and stories. Now Christopher has a podcast named Angels & Seerstones that dives into this subject and is one of my favorite podcasts. During our conversation we talk about the importance of stories to society, why it is we find a little reluctance to talk about those stories, I share a very personal story of my own, and even end up exploring the dark side of stories and lore by talking about the Chad & Lori Daybell incident.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products Sometimes I think because we are a couple hundred years away from him we assume that Joseph Smith received revelation in a vacuum. Meaning that Joseph would just get revelation on a subject without ever having thought about the subject beforehand. Now I certainly am not saying that those types of revelation never happened, but I think history shows that many times revelation came as Joseph would ponder upon a subject then ask the Lord and then the revelation would come. Today I have Cheryl Bruno on the podcast as discuss Joseph Smith and Masonry. Now many of us in Mormonism get a little bit beat up over Joseph being a Mason by our evangelical brothers and sisters. Well today Cheryl puts some of this to rest as we discuss what masonry’s role was in 19th century America, what Joseph’s interactions were with Masonry, what it was he saw in masonry, and what it means for us as Mormons today. Now as unsettling as subject seems to be on the surface, I am sure by the end you will come out on the other side even more convinced of Joseph Smith’s prophetic calling.    --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   In the Gospel of Matthew chapter 24 verses 23 & 24 the Savior himself warns us in the last days that there would be many that would come along to try and deceive the followers of Christ. Well, I am not breaking any news here, but those days are here. Be that Phil Davis who started the doctrine of Christ movement, Denver Snuffer, or any other of the various leaders of some of these movements that have sprung up they all seem to have one thing in common and that is they all seem to claim an experience with the Savior without following the patterns & ordinances the Lord established through the Prophet Joseph Smith to have those experiences. Today on the podcast Taylor Smith joins me to talk about an essay that is in the works that tackles this very subject. Taylor breaks down the scriptures and teachings from Joseph Smith & other early Mormon leaders that clearly talks about the criteria needed to have experiences with the Second Comforter and shows that without certain ordinances those visitations are not possible. Now along the way we find that we touch on everything from the Adam-God Doctrine to Freemasonry. So buckle up for an epic conversation that just may spare you or your loved ones the pain of being deceived --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products If your Mormon, and when I say that I mean anyone who is LDS, Fundamentalist, or any of the other various branches there are certain doctrines within the Restored Gospel that make Mormonism what it is. Now many if not all of those unique Mormon doctrines can be traced right back to the Prophet Joseph Smith. Now one sermon Preached by Joseph Smith specifically has shaped Mormon beliefs and thoughts perhaps more than any other. In the spring of 1844 Joseph Smith delivered the King Follett discourse and forever changed the trajectory of Mormonism. Today on the podcast I have Ben Shaffer back on the podcast and we have a discussion about what was taught in the discourse, what it means for us today and the impact it has had on Mormon doctrine and thought at large, that’s next on this episode of the MRP --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products https://theheartlandresearchgroup.org   Archeology is the study of human history and prehistory. A couple of principles within archeology that should interest us as Mormons are migrations (the study of historical human migrations) and diffusion (the study of how human ideas and practices are transmitted from one distinct group of people to another). If the Book of Mormon is true, we should expect to see at least echo’s of migration and diffusion in the Americas. Now what if I told you that there seems to be some evidence of migration and diffusion between ancient America and Carthage (modern-day Tunisia)? Interested yet? Well, what if I also told you that that same evidence might also have a connection to the story of Mulek in the Book of Mormon? I bet if your anything like me you’re interested now. There are a group of people from very different walks of life who have come together to study this evidence. They are John Lefgren, Mike & Betty LaFontaine, Blaise Colasante, & all the way from Tunisia Eryj Ben Sassi and they all join me on the podcast today to discuss their findings that if correct could not only change the historical narrative of the United States but also could lend evidence for the historicity of the Book of Mormon.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products https://gofund.me/37ee9079   One of the things that often rocks the testimony of Mormons is when the historicity of the Book of Mormon is questioned, and it appears that there are some conflicts between science and the Book of Mormon. The truth is however that usually what is thrown into question isn’t the historicity of the Book of Mormon itself but rather narratives that we as individuals read into the text. This is never more on display than when the issue of DNA raised as a critique to the Book of Mormon. I mean if the Book of Mormon is true and details the account of a Middle Eastern family’s settlement of a portion of the New World, we should expect that DNA from Middle Eastern people and some native American populations should match right? Well maybe not as much as you would think. Ken Peterson joins me again on the podcast to break all of this down. By the end I think you might find out like I did that many of the so-called conflicts between the Book of Mormon and DNA research are more conflicts between the narratives we read into the Book of Mormon and the DNA research then with the text itself.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

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Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products Well, there’s a lot happening in the world in the coming weeks and months. We have the eclipse happening the day this episode will drop, an upcoming presidential election that promises to be the most if not one of the most contentious in our nation’s history, two proxy wars we are involved in and economic and social instability at home. As I have the opportunity to talk to a number of different people from all sorts of faith traditions the one thing that always comes through to those people even a little bit tuned into to God and that is that there isa feeling that we are hurtling towards an event. Now while it is true that no man know man knows the day or hour of the Saviors return the Lord in his mercy has given us some signs to look for that will give us an indication on where we are at along the road. One of those signs are talked about in Doctrine & Covenants section 13 where the Lord talks about the Sons of Levi offering up sacrifices again in righteousness. What if I told you that one of the big barriers to that happening has been removed? Today on the podcast Joshua Erickson joins me to have a conversation about the re-emergence of the Red Heifer. We talk about the animal’s significance in the Old Testament, The animals re-emergence and the miraculous events surrounding its reappearance, why the red heifer is necessary, and even how this animal was a catalyst for the Hamas attack in Israel back in October, and finally what all this could mean in regards to the Saviors return.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

So there has been a lot of revisionist history that has made its way into Mormon circles as of late in conjunction with this, it has required those pushing these false narratives to either twist or flat out lie about what the scriptures say. With this in mind I want to address some of the lies and wishful thinking. One of the more pernicious ideas is that scripture denounces the practice of celestial plural marriage. Well today I have Jacob Vidrine back on the podcast to address this idea. Jacob and I will breakdown the scriptures (in context) to give you a fuller picture of what the scriptures have to say and not say about the practice of celestial plural marriage. Towards the end of the podcast, I name names of those pushing this narrative and also the repercussions of buying into those lies. Grab a pen and paper to take some notes so you can push back on these lies when they arise.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content So about ten years ago I remember sitting around the dinner table with my kids and I remember they said something about the Founding Fathers that was just patently false. I asked where they heard such a thing and they said school. This caused me to look at their curriculum and what I discovered was that certain power brokers on the left had infiltrated public schools and one of their agendas was to discredit the founders so they could “progress” past the constitution. Unfortunately, we are now seeing the same thing happening to Mormonism. There is a movement right now within Mormonism (The Doctrine of Christ Group) that is doing at best revisionist history and at worst just telling flat out lies about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor and others that were so influential and vital to the Restoration in those early days. They are doing this to discredit that early leadership, by discrediting them they then can turn the Restored Gospel into something that appeals more to their own hearts desires. This type of tactic is not only wrong but insidious. Now a while back Justin Griffin and Taylor Smith had a debate about Griffin’s movie “Who Killed Joseph Smith” where Griffin accuses John Taylor & Willard Richards of killing Hyrum & Joseph. But darn it wouldn’t you know it Griffin marked that debate as private. Well, no need to worry because Taylor still has his copy and is still available on his YouTube Chanel.  Today Taylor joins me on the podcast to have a discussion about the debate. During the course of our conversation, as we breakdown the high points of that debate I think it will become apparent why Griffin might not want this out and circulating. Oh, and just for good measure I have included the link to the full debate in the show notes.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support