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Join me, Prof Wayne Visser, for inspiring conversations with leaders in the breakthrough movement to regenerate nature, society and the economy. Thriving is about going beyond sustainability to a net positive agenda of innovation and regeneration. Each episode is a dialogue with thought leaders and pioneering practitioners, capturing their perspective on the six great transitions to thriving: how to go from degradation to restoration of ecosystems, from depletion to renewal of resources, from disparity to responsibility in communities and workplaces, from disease to revitalisation of health, from disconnection to rewiring through technology, and from disruption to resilience in infrastructure and institutions. We also explore what kind of leadership are needed to create a thriving future, and how organisations can take action to integrate thriving into their strategies, products and services. This is not about false hope or blind optimism, but we actively focus on innovative solutions and positive tipping points for change. The podcast builds on the foundations of my bestselling book "Thriving: The Breakthrough Movement to Regenerate Nature, Society and the Economy." I look forward to having you join the movement for thriving and welcome your suggestions for who I should feature as invited guests on the podcast. Credits: Host: Wayne Visser. Podcast music: Amil Raja
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My guest this week is Tamara Makoni, Founder and CEO of Kazuri Consulting. In this episode, she discusses how: Equality and equity are different – and why equity is more important for creating fair outcomesDiscrimination often emerges unconsciously, for example through “micro-aggressions”Diversity and inclusion require investment of time and resources in order to make progressDE&I creates value for organisations and society, but this is not often quantifiedWe need to learn the lessons of the salmon in order to confront social injusticeKey links:Tamara Makoni (LinkedIn)Kazuri Consulting (website)What Works: Gender Equality by Design, by Iris Bohnet (book)The Conversation: How Seeking and Speaking the Truth about Racism Can Radically Transform Individuals and Organizations, by Robert Livingston (book)Thriving, by Wayne Visser (book)This is the Way (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Hanan Challouki, the Founder of Inclusified. In this episode, she discusses why: Inclusion goes beyond having the right processes to having the right cultureListening is as important as giving people a seat at the tableDiverse teams are more productive and more creativeDiversity is most needed – and hardest to embrace – in times of uncertaintyCreating time and space for courageous conversations is needed in the workplaceKey linksHanan Challouki (LinkedIn)Inclusified (website)Not what you see (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Ludvig Liljekvist, Global Strategy, Development & Innovation Insight and Foresight leader for Ingka Group (largest IKEA retailer). In this episode, he discusses:What “positive” means in IKEA’s People and Planet Positive strategyWhy circularity remains challenging for a retail business focused on affordabilityHow three “wicked” (entangled) problems are shaping possible, projected and preferable futuresWhy world building is a useful foresight technique for strategyHow innovation needs to focus on resilience and regenerative designKey linksLudvig Liljekvist (LinkedIn)Ingka Group Sustainability (website)Change the World - Part 2 (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Audrey-Flore Ngomsik, CEO & Co-Founder of Trianon Scientific Communication and President of The Brussels Binder. In this episode, she discusses how:A more complex and dynamic world makes diversity more necessary to survive and thriveIncorporating diversity into targets and incentives is needed to make change happenRole models are important for breaking barriers and inspiring those that followDiversity can drive better stakeholder engagement and commercial opportunitiesThe business case for sustainability is a strategic choice that begins with leadershipKey linksAudrey-Flore Ngomsik (LinkedIn)Trianon Scientific Communication (website)The Brussels Binder (website)What Lies Beneath (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Tino Chibebe, author of The Black Opportunity, Founders’ Associate at Azteq and Investment Committee member at Impact Shakers Microfund. In this episode, he discusses how:Impact investing can make a critical difference in tackling social and environmental challengesAfropeans are underrepresented in the venture capital and technology space in BelgiumThere is a bias against Black entrepreneurs, in part due to a lack of visibility and role modelsThe “daughter effect” in venture capital underscores the importance of educating investorsDiversity on investor teams and company boards is critical for changing the status quoKey linksTino Chebebe (LinkedIn)The Black Opportunity (book)A Place to Thrive (poem)I Am An African (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Valérie Trouet, a palaeoclimatologist, Professor of Dendrochronology at the University of Arizona and Scientific Director of the Belgian Climate Centre. In this episode, she discusses how:Studying tree rings can give insights into climate change over the past 2,000 yearsThere is evidence that climate change was a contributing factor to the fall of RomeScience needs the support of enabling government policy to turn insight into actionCommunicating scientific findings needs to generate consensus rather than divisionDendrochronology allows us to compare extreme climate events, such as wildfires, over timeKey linksValérie Trouet (LinkedIn)Laboratory for Tree-Ring Research (website)Tree Braille (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Bhupinder Bhullar, CEO and Co-Founder of Swiss Vault. In this episode, he discusses how:Data storage represents around 4% of global carbon emissions and $66 billion of e-wasteEnergy footprints and cybersecurity risk are especially high for genetic data storageInnovation has led to more than 10X reductions in energy consumption in data storageLack of protection individual genetic data can compromise others who share hereditary genesUsing DNA as a data storage technology has vast potential for archiving historical dataKey links: Bhupinder Bhullar (LinkedIn)Swiss Vault (website)Ideas (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
1My guest this week is Nuria Chinchilla, the IESE Business School Professor of Leadership and Head of the IESE Chair on Women in Leadership. In this episode, she discusses how:Waste and pollution occur not only in the natural environment, but also in societyValues are different from value, help us to go beyond a new mindset to a new heartsetWe need to challenge the view of employees as machines, resources or economic agentsParticipative purpose is key to changing the tyranny of management by objectivesThe keys to tackling discrimination against women are femininity, family and flexibilityKey links:Nuria Chinchilla (LinkedIn)IESE Business School (website)Integrating Life (book)Dying for a Paycheck (book)Thriving (book)Change the World (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Jason Walters, Director of GlobeScan, who has overseen research among 11,000 people from 11 countries on biodiversity and business. In this episode he talks about:Why action on biodiversity is so far behind action on climate change – yet starting to gain traction in the past 2 yearsHow only 2% of people believe nature is in a good or satisfactory condition, and 88% of experts find the situation alarming or catastrophicHow most people are somewhat optimistic that we can make progress on protecting and restoring nature, but this needs a more integrated, inclusive and embedded approachHow indigenous people bring a much-needed perspective on nature, challenging prevailing views on nature as a resource to extract or exploitWhich sectors are leading and why the Taskforce for Nature-Related Financial Disclosures and Science Based Targets for Nature are cause for hopeKey links:Jason Walters (LinkedIn)Globescan (website)Navigating the Nature Agenda (report)Thriving (book)Be An Optimist (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Lucy Siegle, a British journalist, broadcaster and author of books on ethical living, including most recently Be the Ultimate Friend of the Earth. In this episode, she talks about:What the role of the media is in educating people on social and environmental issues – and how requirements for “balanced” reporting can be a barrierHow the politicisation of media is slowing progress, while the public (and often business) is ahead of politicians on issues like climate changeWhy it’s important to bring a fun element (like quizzes) into media coverage and knowledge presentation on sustainabilityHow documentaries and books on the fashion industry and plastic in the ocean have helped to build movements of changeWhy it is important to tell the stories of successful change that is happening in order to kindle the fires of hopeKey linksLucy Siegle (LinkedIn)Lucy Siegle (Guardian profile)Be the Ultimate Friend of the Earth (book)Turning the Tide on Plastic (book)To Die For (book)A Swirling Story (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Paul Hawken, environmentalist, entrepreneur, activist and author of the bestselling books The Ecology of Commerce, Drawdown and Regeneration. In this episode, he talks about: Why sustainability has become a “weasel word” and limited practice that we may be better off avoiding altogetherHow regeneration is different to sustainability – and is necessary to move beyond an extractive economyWhy climate change will never be “solved” unless we protect and restoring life (biodiversity and natural systems) on earthHow regenerative agriculture shows a pathway from a destructive industrial model to a thriving systemWhy regeneration represents one of the biggest opportunities for creating purpose and meaning in people’s livesKey links:Paul Hawken (website)Project Regeneration (website)Project Drawdown (website)Earth Affirmation (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest week is Francoise Chombar, Chairwoman at MELEXIS and STEM Platform, and board member at AMS and Umicore. In this episode, she talks about:How technology can be a force for positive impact, but only if it is inclusive – and how inclusion is a driver for innovationWhy diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) needs to become a societal and organisational habit to be effectiveWhat being a Steminist – a STEM feminist – means and why it is a crucial solution to economic and societal inequalityWhy diversity is not only about diversity of gender or ethnicity or other profiles, but also about diversity of perspectivesHow having the diverse role models, especially during education, is a key to increasing diverse participation in STEM careersKey linksFrancoise Chombar (LinkedIn)Melexis (website)STEM Platform (webpage) If (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest week is Claudia Lee, a journalist and podcaster on sustainable food systems. In this episode, she talks about:How the food system needs to navigate the challenges of climate change, biodiversity loss, plastic and chemical pollution and food securityWhy tackling food waste is critical, with pioneering cases like Rice Inc in China; I also share my revolutionary idea to radically cut restaurant and hotel food wasteThe health benefits of plant-based diets and the environmental benefits of regenerative agriculture and cultivated (or cultured) meatThe role of technology in making agriculture more sustainable, including indoor farming, precision agriculture and agro-botsWhy genetically modified organisms (GMOs) may not all be bad and how they should be judged on their impactsKey linksClaudia Lee (LinkedIn)A Better Place (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Kumi Naidoo, Founding Chair at Africans Rising and former Secretary General at Amnesty International and Executive Director at Greenpeace. In this episode, he talks about why:Thriving requires a can-do attitude and intergenerational mentality that accepts that social and environmental justice is a struggle of a lifetimeFraming climate change as an environmental issue was a strategic and tactical blunder of major proportionsEnvironmental decline is not from lack of solutions, but rather lack of political will, appropriate economics and inclusive communicationWe need to get better at speaking to the heart, not only the head, including by turbo charging “artivism” and a culture of emergenceThe changes necessary will only happen when we scale societal movements that pressure business and politics to move further, fasterKey linksKumi Naidoo (LinkedIn)Africans Rising (website)The Starfish and the Spider (book)Thriving (book)Africa Proud (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Peggy Van Casteren, Head of SDG & Community Impact at J&J Benelux. In this episode, she talks about how: Sustainability is like a set of muscles in business, which need to be connected, exercised and strengthenedThe healthcare industry is evolving from a focus on curing sickness to early interception and prevention of diseaseAccess to medicines relies on education, partnerships and technology (like drone delivery) to tackle global unmet needs for healthClosing the gender gap in STEM2D (science, technology, engineering, mathematics, manufacturing and design) careers brings opportunitiesDiversity and inclusion stimulates creativity and innovation, with programs like Duo for a Job that works on refugee inclusionKey linksPeggy Van Casteren (LinkedIn)J&J Societal Impact (website)Duo for a Job (website)Because I Care (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Andrew Winston, co-author of Net Positive (with Paul Polman) and a globally recognized expert on megatrends and how to build companies that thrive by serving the world.How net positive – which means thriving by solving the world’s problems, not causing them – is different from what came beforeWhat the outside-in perspective – including the science-based targets movement – means for business strategyWhat companies like Unilever, IKEA, Patagonia, Mars, Microsoft, Google, and Stripe are doing to earn their recognition as pioneers in net positiveWhy partnerships and shifting societal norms are the key to making progress towards net positive – and achieving the scale of solutions that we urgently needWhat examples we see of tipping points that are seeding the net positive movement – including in clean tech and sustainable financeKey linksAndrew Winston (LinkedIn)Andrew Winston (website)Net Positive (website)Net Positive (book)It's Time (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Eddy Annys, who is Managing Director of Randstad Belgium and a former Olympic athlete. Listen to Eddy talk about: His experience as a world class high jumper, and how peak performance by world class athletes is only possible by having an enabling systemWhy ensuring that everyone has an opportunity for meaningful work remains a challenge – even in times and places of economic prosperityHow we need to challenge historical stereotypes of difference – such as gender and ethnicity – that stand in the way of diversity and inclusionWhy resilience has become a key competence as the world gets more fast-paced and complex – and how this links to the Good Work GoalsHow cobots (collaborative human-robot interfaces) are a new, hopeful trend – and why job automation is not necessarily to be fearedKey linksEddy Annys (LinkedIn)Randstad (website)Sustainability@Work (report)Behind the Veil (poem)AMS Sustainable Transformation (website)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Antony Yousefian, who is the Founding Partner of ReFi Ventures and Advisor to Tech Nation. Listen to Antony talk about how:Conventional intensive agriculture is extractive, while regenerative agriculture is better for food security, resilience and healthInnovation through regenerative agriculture can turn farming into a “hero industry” that reverses the destruction of nature’s ecoservicesEarly-stage investment and financial innovation (such as soil carbon credits) needs to help to fund the transition to regenerative agricultureAgTech (agricultural technology) can give us tools to measure nature’s services (like soil health and carbon cycling) and to quantify climate risksCultivating micro-proteins is a hundred times more energy efficient than the current farming system and five times more efficient than cell agricultureKey linksAntony Yousefian (LinkedIn)ReFi Ventures (website)Thriving (book)Healers of the Earth (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest his week is Micaela Rizo Patrón, who is general manager of Perú Sostenible, a network of over 80 companies, which represents the World Business Council for Sustainable Development in Peru. Listen to Micaela speak about:What the more chaotic conditions and informal systems of developing countries can teach us about creativity and resilienceHow disruption can highlight the importance of purpose, the power of interconnection and the necessity for clear metrics of progressBest practices from the hydro company Celepsa, which is helping Peru to deal with water stress in Lima, the second largest desert capital city (after Cairo)Dealing with patriarchy and inequality in society and business, especially by supporting entrepreneurial women to access finance and opportunitiesThe importance of cultural diversity and taking sustainability inspiration from indigenous history, such as the 5000-year old sacred city of CaralKey linksMicaela Patron (LinkedIn)Perú Sostenible (website)Sacred City of Caral-Supe (UNESCO website)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Mark Kramer, a Harvard lecturer and leading researcher, writer, speaker and consultant on strategies for social impact. He is best known as the co-author of seminal articles on creating shared value, collective impact, and catalytic philanthropy. Listen to Mark speak about: Why there is a synergy between successful companies and healthy societies, a message that is at the heart of creating shared valueHow start-ups, rather than large incumbent companies, are better positioned to lead the creative destruction necessary for a thriving revolutionWhy visionary CEO leaders are crucial but not enough, and how government has to play a much stronger roleHow capitalism is evolving to incorporate social and environmental impact and the valuation of companiesWhat needs to change to make shared value and thriving a realistic alternative to the status quo and which companies are leading the wayKey linksMark Kramer (LinkedIn)FSG (website)The ecosystem of shared value (article)Creating shared value (article)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
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