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My guest week is Claudia Lee, a journalist and podcaster on sustainable food systems. In this episode, she talks about:How the food system needs to navigate the challenges of climate change, biodiversity loss, plastic and chemical pollution and food securityWhy tackling food waste is critical, with pioneering cases like Rice Inc in China; I also share my revolutionary idea to radically cut restaurant and hotel food wasteThe health benefits of plant-based diets and the environmental benefits of regenerative agriculture and cultivated (or cultured) meatThe role of technology in making agriculture more sustainable, including indoor farming, precision agriculture and agro-botsWhy genetically modified organisms (GMOs) may not all be bad and how they should be judged on their impactsKey linksClaudia Lee (LinkedIn)A Better Place (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Kumi Naidoo, Founding Chair at Africans Rising and former Secretary General at Amnesty International and Executive Director at Greenpeace. In this episode, he talks about why:Thriving requires a can-do attitude and intergenerational mentality that accepts that social and environmental justice is a struggle of a lifetimeFraming climate change as an environmental issue was a strategic and tactical blunder of major proportionsEnvironmental decline is not from lack of solutions, but rather lack of political will, appropriate economics and inclusive communicationWe need to get better at speaking to the heart, not only the head, including by turbo charging “artivism” and a culture of emergenceThe changes necessary will only happen when we scale societal movements that pressure business and politics to move further, fasterKey linksKumi Naidoo (LinkedIn)Africans Rising (website)The Starfish and the Spider (book)Thriving (book)Africa Proud (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Peggy Van Casteren, Head of SDG & Community Impact at J&J Benelux. In this episode, she talks about how: Sustainability is like a set of muscles in business, which need to be connected, exercised and strengthenedThe healthcare industry is evolving from a focus on curing sickness to early interception and prevention of diseaseAccess to medicines relies on education, partnerships and technology (like drone delivery) to tackle global unmet needs for healthClosing the gender gap in STEM2D (science, technology, engineering, mathematics, manufacturing and design) careers brings opportunitiesDiversity and inclusion stimulates creativity and innovation, with programs like Duo for a Job that works on refugee inclusionKey linksPeggy Van Casteren (LinkedIn)J&J Societal Impact (website)Duo for a Job (website)Because I Care (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Andrew Winston, co-author of Net Positive (with Paul Polman) and a globally recognized expert on megatrends and how to build companies that thrive by serving the world.How net positive – which means thriving by solving the world’s problems, not causing them – is different from what came beforeWhat the outside-in perspective – including the science-based targets movement – means for business strategyWhat companies like Unilever, IKEA, Patagonia, Mars, Microsoft, Google, and Stripe are doing to earn their recognition as pioneers in net positiveWhy partnerships and shifting societal norms are the key to making progress towards net positive – and achieving the scale of solutions that we urgently needWhat examples we see of tipping points that are seeding the net positive movement – including in clean tech and sustainable financeKey linksAndrew Winston (LinkedIn)Andrew Winston (website)Net Positive (website)Net Positive (book)It's Time (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Kelly Price, who is Co-Founder and CEO of Agreed Earth. Kelly talks about how:Our current economic model looks a lot like cancer – and why systems thinking is a way to change our metabolism as a speciesFood security is a challenge of distribution rather than production – and how regenerative agriculture can “feed the world”We need to change the farmer’s business model – and get them out of the “weapons of agricultural war” businessChemical fertilisers – with the energy it takes to produce them and the nitrogen and phosphorous run off – are disasters for nature and climate changeRegenerative agriculture can reduce farmers’ dependence on synthetic nitrogen input, saving them money, lowering their risk, and helping them get to net zero carbonKey linksKelly Price (LinkedIn)Agreed Earth (website)Farm (and Other F Words), by Sarah K Mock (book)Chasing the Red Queen, by Andy Dyer (book)Farm to Fork, by Joe Stanley (book)Thriving (book)Connected (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Eddy Annys, who is Managing Director of Randstad Belgium and a former Olympic athlete. Listen to Eddy talk about: His experience as a world class high jumper, and how peak performance by world class athletes is only possible by having an enabling systemWhy ensuring that everyone has an opportunity for meaningful work remains a challenge – even in times and places of economic prosperityHow we need to challenge historical stereotypes of difference – such as gender and ethnicity – that stand in the way of diversity and inclusionWhy resilience has become a key competence as the world gets more fast-paced and complex – and how this links to the Good Work GoalsHow cobots (collaborative human-robot interfaces) are a new, hopeful trend – and why job automation is not necessarily to be fearedKey linksEddy Annys (LinkedIn)Randstad (website)Sustainability@Work (report)Behind the Veil (poem)AMS Sustainable Transformation (website)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Charlie Curtis, who is Founder and Director of Progressive Agriculture Services and Head of Agriculture and Environment for the Cool Agriculture Alliance. Listen to Charlie talk about:How in developing countries offer many lessons on regenerative farming practices that can help to transform our food system in the global northWhy our farms are like drug addicts that we need to wean off chemicals in the transition to regenerative agricultureHow challenging the waste and inefficiency of current farming practices is key to freeing up the land we need for bringing back natureWhy factory farming of livestock is cruel and unnecessary, and how there are alternatives that incorporate animals in a regenerative approachHow we need to bust the myth that regenerative agriculture is more expensive or less productive than intensive industrial agricultureKey linksCharlie Curtis (LinkedIn)Never Too Late (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Antony Yousefian, who is the Founding Partner of ReFi Ventures and Advisor to Tech Nation. Listen to Antony talk about how:Conventional intensive agriculture is extractive, while regenerative agriculture is better for food security, resilience and healthInnovation through regenerative agriculture can turn farming into a “hero industry” that reverses the destruction of nature’s ecoservicesEarly-stage investment and financial innovation (such as soil carbon credits) needs to help to fund the transition to regenerative agricultureAgTech (agricultural technology) can give us tools to measure nature’s services (like soil health and carbon cycling) and to quantify climate risksCultivating micro-proteins is a hundred times more energy efficient than the current farming system and five times more efficient than cell agricultureKey linksAntony Yousefian (LinkedIn)ReFi Ventures (website)Thriving (book)Healers of the Earth (poem)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Virginie Helias, who is Chief Sustainability Officer at Procter & Gamble. Listen to Virginie talk about:Why the goal of thriving must be thriving for all people, not only for the few – and how innovation and collaboration are the keyHow licensing technology – such as digital watermarks to enable increased and improved plastic recycling – can help sustainable innovations to scaleWhy it is essential that employees are part of the thriving movement, most of whom now expect companies to help them achieve net positiveHow changing consumer behaviour is key, which requires creative communication, and increased performance and convenience of sustainable productsWhat P&G’s new commitment to build a water positive future means, including restoring more water than is consumed during the use of its productsKey links:Virginie Helias (LinkedIn)P&G Lead With Love (webpage)P&G Sustainability (webpage)P&G Citizenship Report 2021 (report)A Place to Thriving (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Douglas Tallamy, who is the T. A. Baker Professor of Agriculture at the University of Delaware, where he has authored over 100 research publications and has taught insect-related courses for more than 40 years. His bestselling books include book Bringing Nature Home, The Living Landscape, Nature’s Best Hope and The Nature of Oaks. Listen to Douglas talk about:How biodiversity loss is a silent catastrophe – and why you, me and everybody are nature’s best hopeWhy it’s important not to panic during a crisis; most often, we have the solutions and just need to implement and scale themHow plant-insect interactions provide a clue to why native plants are necessary to support the food webWhy talking about problems is not enough; people need to know that they can make changes where they live, where they work, where they play, or where they farmHow movements and feeling that we are not alone in trying to make a positive difference is critical – like via Homegrown National ParkKey links:Homegrown National Park (website)Nature's Best Hope (book)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest his week is Micaela Rizo Patrón, who is general manager of Perú Sostenible, a network of over 80 companies, which represents the World Business Council for Sustainable Development in Peru. Listen to Micaela speak about:What the more chaotic conditions and informal systems of developing countries can teach us about creativity and resilienceHow disruption can highlight the importance of purpose, the power of interconnection and the necessity for clear metrics of progressBest practices from the hydro company Celepsa, which is helping Peru to deal with water stress in Lima, the second largest desert capital city (after Cairo)Dealing with patriarchy and inequality in society and business, especially by supporting entrepreneurial women to access finance and opportunitiesThe importance of cultural diversity and taking sustainability inspiration from indigenous history, such as the 5000-year old sacred city of CaralKey linksMicaela Patron (LinkedIn)Perú Sostenible (website)Sacred City of Caral-Supe (UNESCO website)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Mark Kramer, a Harvard lecturer and leading researcher, writer, speaker and consultant on strategies for social impact. He is best known as the co-author of seminal articles on creating shared value, collective impact, and catalytic philanthropy. Listen to Mark speak about: Why there is a synergy between successful companies and healthy societies, a message that is at the heart of creating shared valueHow start-ups, rather than large incumbent companies, are better positioned to lead the creative destruction necessary for a thriving revolutionWhy visionary CEO leaders are crucial but not enough, and how government has to play a much stronger roleHow capitalism is evolving to incorporate social and environmental impact and the valuation of companiesWhat needs to change to make shared value and thriving a realistic alternative to the status quo and which companies are leading the wayKey linksMark Kramer (LinkedIn)FSG (website)The ecosystem of shared value (article)Creating shared value (article)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guests this week are Claire Maxwell, John North and Anders Aspling, who make up the leadership team of the Globally Responsible Leadership Initiative (GRLI). They speak about:The critical importance of building trust and holding courageous conversations that help us navigate the liminal space between extinction and hopeWhy freedom, stability, regulation and imagination are some of the prerequisites for creating fair societies and the ability to flourishHow constant emergence is necessary for thriving to occur at the level of me (the self), we (the others) and all of us (the system)Why governance structures need guardians of values, who are custodians of the ethos and spirit of the organisationHow globally responsible leadership is a question to live and grapple with, and the test of leadership is rooted in actionKey linksGRLI: Globally Responsible Leadership Initiative (website)Clare Maxwell (LinkedIn)John North (LinkedIn)Anders Aspling (LinkedIn)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Prof. dr Steven De Haes, Dean of Antwerp Management School. Listen to Steven talk about:Why shareholder-oriented business education can fairly be blamed for our previous global financial crisesHow self-awareness, global perspectives and societal consciousness are three pillars of responsible management educationWhy integrating sustainability into core business subjects is more important than separate sustainability degreesHow technology innovation needs the guiding hand of societal purpose and organisational culture in order to be effectiveWhy walking the talk is the key to leadership for thriving, along with the necessity of dialogue to manage difficult paradoxesKey links:Steven De Haes (LinkedIn)Antwerp Management School (website)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Frankie Fox, CEO and Co-founder of, and a founder on Cohort 2 of Carbon13’s Venture Builder for the climate crisis. Listen to Frankie talk about:How waste from industrial processes is a massive business opportunity for social and eco-entrepreneursWhy start-up venture incubators are critical for seeding and scaling innovation for tackling climate changeHow by-products of the food and drinks sector, such as grain from beer companies, can be turned into high value ingredients for other foodsWhy we can’t afford to charge a green premium for more sustainable solutions, or to compromise qualityHow the willingness of people to collaborate around issues that they have a passion about is a cause for hopeKey links:Frankie Fox (LinkedIn) (website)Carbon13 (website)Leap of Faith (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is David Lorimer, an educator and philosopher, program director of the Scientific and Medical Network and author of A Quest for Wisdom: Inspiring Purpose on the Path of Life. Listen to David talk about:How we can reframe education as “drawing out” rather than “stuffing in” – and why local action is a key to empowermentWhy we have a vacuum of meaning in our modern society – due to materialistic science and consumerist cultureHow we can link science, spirituality and consciousness – and why having a living relationship with nature provides a clueHow sustainability has enabled companies to carry on taking, rather than shifting to a balance of give and takeWhy we must move from technology-centred humans to human-centred technology and from a death economy to a life economyKey links:David Lorimer (LinkedIn) The Scientific & Medical Network (website)Synchronicity (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Niccy Kol, Brand and Impact Catalyst for Raddis Cotton, which is building the world’s first regenerative cotton value chain, and Ambassador for Waste2Wear. Listen to Niccy talk about:Why promoting recycled and recyclable textiles in a circular economy do not go far enough – and why natural fibres are betterWhat it takes to create the world’s first regenerative cotton value chain – and four companies that are showing what’s possibleWhy it is crucial for brands to invest directly in farmer livelihoods – and to cut out the intermediaries wherever possibleWhat certification brings in terms of benefits, but also why it acts as a barrier for small farmers to switch to regenerative organic agricultureWhy creating a regenerative corporate value chain is more responsible than spending money on corporate social responsibility (CSR) activitiesKey links:Niccy Kol (LinkedIn)Raddis Cotton (website)Giving Up (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Dr Ervin Laszlo, a philosopher and systems scientist, Nobel Peace Prize nominee, founder and president of the international think tank The Club of Budapest, and author, co-author or editor of 106 books, including The Upshift. Listen to Ervin talk about: Why we are at a chaos point in society – and how that represents a positive evolutionary opportunityWhat Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine and other great disruptions could mean from a systems change perspectiveHow holism is a key organising principle in nature and society – and how this links to a higher purpose or spiritual forceWhy he is inviting us to join the upshift movement, a grassroots based international and intercultural movement dedicated to building a better worldWhat hopeful monsters are – and why they are necessary antidotes to the forces of aggression and breakdown in societyKey links: Ervin Laszlo (LinkedIn)The Laszlo Institute of New Paradigm Research (website)The Upshift: The Path to Healing and Evolution on Planet (book) Complexity (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Indira Kartallozi, who is Founder Director of Sustainability Leadership Kosova and co-director of the Kaleidoscope Futures Lab. Listen to Indira talk about: How her own journey as a refugee brought insights into individual resilience and the challenges of diversity and inclusion in societyWhat is necessary to support migrants and refugees through their transition – and why ensuring dignity is so importantWhy, in supporting mental wellbeing, we must move beyond treating post-traumatic stress to enhancing post-traumatic growth and thrivingHow working with young people is key to advancing sustainability and social entrepreneurship, especially in developing countries like KosovoWhat we can learn from the data-driven movement to tackle deforestation and to protect and regenerate forests in KosovoKey links:Indira Kartallozi (LinkedIn)Sustainability Leadership Kosova (website) Sustainability Leadership Kosova (Facebook)A Place to Thrive (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
My guest this week is Professor Stuart Hart, who is the Steven Grossman Distinguished Fellow in Sustainable Innovation at the University of Vermont's Grossman School of Business, and author of "Capitalism at the Crossroads". Listen to Stuart talk about:-  Why thriving is a revolutionary agenda – and goes to the heart of the real purpose of the economy and capitalism-  The necessity to get beyond the business case for sustainability –- to the point where sustainability is the business-  How business education is at the root cause of our unsustainability –- and why we must creatively destroy the MBA-  Challenging shareholder primacy and ESG –- and redefining the value through initiatives like the long-term stock exchange- What the motive force for the reformation of capitalism might be –- and how the conditions for a major shift are ripeIn the episode, the following books are mentioned:- Capitalism at the Crossroads, by Stuart L. Hart Key links:Stuart L Hart (LinkedIn)Stuart L Hart (website)UVM Grossman School of BusinessRevolution (poem)Thriving (book)Wayne Visser (website)Wayne Visser (LinkedIn)
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