“The key to good women-driven stories is… Sheryl Lee Ralph” – 90’s TV BabiesSusan and Sharon welcome back the 90’s TV Babies! It’s been a while since we’ve seen them, but they’re back and ready for action. Serita Fontanesi, Sergio Perez and Megan Ruble take a look at “It’s A Living” – and they do not hold back!THE CONVERSATIONToo many characters in Season One? The Babies don’t think so.Was Season One too sexy – or too sex-positive?Did the more conservative outfits make the jokes funnier? Serita says yes!SO MUCH BUTT PINCHING! – Is this what happens when men write about women’s issues?Where are the “all-women” shows now?THE REBOOT – Serita’s got it all figured out. Even more diversity: girls -- plus gays and “theys”!ON A VERY SPECIAL “IT’S A LIVING…” The Babies say it’s refreshing to see “issues” handled well – without going earnest or dark.Megan’s favorite character is Nancy – Someone’s got to keep this place running…Wait – Anthony on Designing Women isn’t gay?Sergio: “Everyone is gay until proven otherwise.”Is Sonny Mann a creep – or a Ken!?!The Gun Episode: which character are you? Would you keep a gun under the bed? And Megan wants to know -- where was the real conversation?Serita’s secret Patreon content: how to use VPN and wall-to-wall encryption to secure your privacy and improve your life!Naked Hockey Players and wallpaper? Megan and Sergio – and Susan – are in!So, join Susan and Sharon – and Serita and Sergio and Megan – as they talk sunburns, heartworms, “Killing Mr. Griffin” -- and yelling at protesters at RuPaul’s Drag Con!AUDIOGRAPHYWatch “It’s A Living” on Amazon. On Tubi. Or YouTube.For safe gun storage check out Be Smart For Kids and Moms Demand.9TB HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTThe 90s TV Babies watched the following episodes of “It’s a Living”Season 1: Ep 1 & Ep 13Season 3: Ep 2Season 5: Ep 2Season 6: Ep 1CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more, visit 80sTVLadies.com.Join the fun. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list.Get ad-free episodes and exclusive videos on PATREON.80’s TV Ladies has been nominated for three People’s Choice Podcast Awards!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

What’s your favorite 80s television theme songs?Susan and Sharon were invited to be on Dave Sloan and Holly Cantos podcast “What Difference Does It Make?” to talk 80s TV theme songs and retro music -- and they all had so much fun they’re bringing Part Two of the conversation here! If you want to hear Part One, here’s the link to the 80s TV Ladies episode of “What Difference Does It Make?” And get ready to relive – and rehear -- some great TV theme songs! (“Moonlighting” with Al Jarreau, anyone?)THE CONVERSATIONWhatever happened to TV theme songs?? Sharon has a theory…What pop song stalled at 79 on the Billboard charts in 1981 – then climbed to number one six years later when it was featured on “Family Ties” in 1987?Thirty-two Oscar winners set sail on the “Love Boat” – can you name five? (We’ll spot you Jamie Lee Curtis)The magic of those old network promotional specials with all the stars - from Battle of the Network Stars to ABC's Love Boat Fall Preview Special!“Remington Steele”’s bizarre Season Two opening credit sequence where Laura and Steele sit in a theater and watch scenes of themselves -- from their own show!Which “Golden Girl” are Susan and Sharon? Which one are you?That weird “Wednesday” dance song, Goo Goo Muck by The Cramps!“Skyfall”-ing with Susan and Rich – just don’t do it around the kids…TV HOUSES – THEY’RE ALL HERE IN L.A.! Sharon walked past the Brady Bunch house a million times before realizing it! (And no, she didn’t buy it…)Join Susan and Sharon – and Dave and Holly – as they talk “Night Court”, “China Beach”, “Bosom Buddies” – and why Susan’s afraid to watch “The Last of Us”!AUDIOGRAPHYCheck out Dave and Holly’s 80s Music podcast “What Difference Does It Make?”Watch the shot-by-shot opening credits remake of Simon & Simon at The Greatest Event in Television History on adult swim.Listen to the 8TL212: Fav TV Theme with WDDIM Spotify playlist!HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTThe 90s TV Babies have to watch the following episodes of “It’s a Living”Season 1: Ep 1 & Ep 13Season 3: Ep 2Season 5: Ep 2Season 6: Ep 1CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list.Get ad-free episodes and exclusive videos on PATREON.80’s TV Ladies has been nominated for three People’s Choice Podcast Awards!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

“It seemed possible in the ‘80s that someone would walk up to you at a train station and hand you a package – and you would take it!” -- Jeanette ValliereWelcome to Susan and Sharon’s very first “Fanbar” event – where we talk with outstanding fans of 80s shows. We’re starting off with a big one! Jeanette Valliere has been organizing the "Scarecrow and Mrs. King" Anniversary events since 2003, and she’s got lots of stories – including meeting with and getting to know cast members Bruce Boxleitner, Martha Smith and Beverly Garland!This year’s Scarecrow and Mrs. King 40th Anniversary Event will be held on Saturday, October 14th, 2023 at the Los Angeles Airport Hilton!THE CONVERSATIONFrom 1990’s IRC chat rooms through to today -- Jeanette has been rallying SMK fans for more than 30 years!“Bohemian Fling”: it’s Amanda’s drink -- and Jeanette’s pseudonym for SMK fan fiction!SMK -- OR REMINGTON STEELE -- OR MOONLIGHTING?: Which one was the most realistic?What do women in IT -- and “Remington Steele’s” Laura Holt -- have in common??REPRESENTATION MATTERS: Women cops (T.J. Hooker), women spies (Charlie’s Angels), women stunt-people (The Fall Guy)… When the young girls of the 70’s and 80’s began to have a range of role models!How many children does Amanda King have? Three – if you include Lee…The budget, the Warner Bros. tour, the stars, the goody-bags… The challenges of organizing a fan event!MEMORIES OF BEVERLY GARLAND…. She was a mom to everyone and a HUGE supporter of the first fan event – even hosting it at her own hotel!AUDIOGRAPHYWatch Scarecrow and Mrs. King: On Tubi, Roku, Amazon, Apple.Find out more about the 40th Anniversary Event October 13-14 on Facebook.Get details and register for the event.Read Bohemian Fling's stories at Fanfiction.net.HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTThe 90s TV Babies have to watch the following episodes of “It’s a Living”Season 1: Ep 1 & Ep 13Season 3: Ep 2Season 5: Ep 2Season 6: Ep 1CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list.Get ad-free episodes and exclusive videos on PATREON.80’s TV Ladies has been nominated for three People’s Choice Podcast Awards!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

“Life’s not the French Riviera; life’s not a charity ball…” – theme song by George Tipton & Leslie BricusseSusan and Sharon wrap up their thoughts on “It’s A Living” with a global look at everything “IAL” -- from their top favorite episodes, to the amazing careers of the stars – and don't forget that unforgettable theme song! So, if you’ve ever wanted to hear Sharon sing “You Only Live Twice” – this is the episode for you!Plus -- The 5 Things You Need to Know About “It’s A Living”!THE CONVERSATIONWhat ever happened to TV theme songs?“Above the Top” – is there really a restaurant on the top floor of the Bonaventure Hotel?Why did Proctor & Gamble pull out as a sponsor after the very first episode?OPERATION: SALAD STATION! Why is it in the break room? And where’s the sneeze guard?The Weirdest Episode: where Jan dies giving birth, meets the “Angel of Death” – Danny Thomas – and strangest of all, gets three months off for maternity leave!Susan Sullivan or Marian Mercer – who mothered the wild waitresses best?Stu Silver, Jenna McMahon & Dick St.Clair or Paul Younger Witt and Tony Thomas: Who created the show – and who ran it?RUN THE NUMBERS: How many female writers and directors did “It’s A Living” have? Maybe more than you think… (Including Neema Barnette – the first African American woman to direct a sitcom!)So join Susan and Sharon as they talk pay phones, Sizzler, “Beauty and the Beast”, Burt Reynolds, the Bona Vista Lounge -- and safe gun storage!Plus – fan shout-outs! And some big “Scarecrow & Mrs. King” news! And a salute to some 80’s TV Ladies we’ve lost this year…BREAKING NEWS: 80’s TV Ladies has been nominated for three People’s Choice Podcast Awards! Check us out at Podcast Awards.AUDIOGRAPHYWatch “It’s A Living” on Amazon, Tubi or YouTube.Learn about real-life safe gun storage at Be Smart For Kids and Moms Demand.Disarm Hate at Everytown. HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTThe 90s TV Babies have to watch the following episodes of “It’s a Living”Season 1: Ep 1 & Ep 13Season 3: Ep 2Season 5: Ep 2Season 6: Ep 1SCARECROW AND MRS. KINGFind out more about the 40th Anniversary Event October 13-14 on Facebook.Get details and register for the event.CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Join the fun on Facebook, Insta and Twitter.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list.Please help us make more 8TL on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

“Sonny Mann is a guy with great talent -- but no taste” – Paul KreppelContinuing their deep dive into “It’s A Living”, Susan and Sharon sit down with beloved Tony award-winner, actor and director Paul Kreppel, known to 80s TV lovers as the “always on the make” singer and piano player ‘Sonny Mann’ on “It’s A Living”.Paul’s stage career began in 1968 with the Boston Improvisational theater group “The Proposition” where he performed with Jane Curtin, Judith Kahan, Josh Mostel and Fred Grandy. Since then, Paul has appeared in dozens of classic television shows including “Laverne & Shirley”, “Love Boat”, “Fantasy Island”, “Night Court”, “Remington Steele” (S2, EP8, “Scene Steelers”), “Murder She Wrote”, “Doogie Howser, M.D.”, “Cybil”, “Suddenly Susan” and “E.R.” as well as recurring as ‘Mr. Burkhart’ on “That 70’s Show”.THE CONVERSATIONINTO THE WOODS we have to go! -- what it’s like to travel the country performing in the new Broadway production of Stephen Sondheim’s classic musical.Paul plays several musical instruments – just not the piano!‘Sonny Mann’ was an afterthought – he was only supposed to be in six episodes. So how’d he end up doing all 120??Getting the Job: Paul’s manager heard that “It’s A Living” needed a lounge lizard – “Do you know how to be a jerk?”How Sonny always “walked up to the line” -- but the ladies never let him cross it…No Audience, No Network, No Problem –doing the last four seasons was totally different from the first two!The Big Question – were there any backstage romances? Well, there was plenty of flirting…Why Sonny started singing original tunes – written by head writer Tom Whedon!PARSLEY, SAGE, ROSEMARY, AND PAUL: Going beatnik on “Laverne & Shirley” -- with Penny Marshal, Cindy Williams and... Art Garfunkel!The Other Side of the Camera – Paul steps out from behind the piano to direct six episodes of “It’s A Living”!Getting to “be the sage” – and other benefits of growing older and having a life.So join Susan and Sharon – and Paul – as they talk Jerry Lewis, Louise Lasser, Martin Short, Bob Denver's hat -- and Tom Hanks’ hair!AUDIOGRAPHYFind Paul Kreppel at PaulKreppel.com. And on Twitter.Check out “Into The Woods”.See Paul’s niece Kelsey Kreppel on YouTube.Watch “It’s A Living” on Tubi or YouTube.SUPPORT THE STRIKE!Read up on LA's Hot Union Summer!Visit the WGA Strike hub.Visit the SAG AFTRA strike hub.CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Join the fun on Facebook, Insta and Twitter.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Please help us make more 8TL. Get ad-free episodes and more on PATREON!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

"You could tell that they were afraid the show was too sexy..." - Jane EspensenSusan and Sharon start their look back at the under-the-radar 1980’s comedy “It’s A Living” with modern-day TV writer/producers Jane Espenson and Drew Z. Greenberg. Jane Espenson has written for shows such as “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”, “Once Upon A Time”, “Gilmore Girls”, “Jessica Jones”, “Battlestar Galactica” and “Game of Thrones”. Drew Greenberg’s credits include “Dexter”, “Warehouse 13”, “Firefly”, “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” and “Arrow”.Jane and Drew grew up as 70’s and 80’s “TV Babies” and each found their way to their dream career along twisting paths back when getting into the business was just as difficult – but even more mysterious. When the COVID-19 quarantine began, Jane and Drew came up with a unique way of keeping themselves entertained -- and sane: they embarked on a rewatch of “It’s A Living”. After almost 40 years, what did they remember? What did they forget? What surprised them? Does it hold up? And what happened to Susan Sullivan and Ann Jillian??THE CONVERSATIONTO BOLDLY GO – How two separate chance meetings with Star Trek writer/producer René Echevarria paved the way for both Jane and Drew.Jane remembers Drew’s first day at “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” – and so does Drew!Who is “It’s A Living” creator Jenna McMahon – and why is she using a pseudonym??What are the hidden similarities between “Facts Of Life”, “Desperate Housewives”, “Golden Girls”, “Sex And The City”… and “It’s A Living”?In Season One – are six characters too many? Can you have too many women?THE “CHARACTER TYPES” OF “IT’S A LIVING”: the Innocent, the Maneater, the Grounded Realist and the Smart Aleck – but who is who?What’s up with those ever-changing waitress outfits?How Ann Jillian was the “secret comedy weapon” of the show – and what happened when she got de-sexy-ied in Season Two?Could you have a character like Sonny today? And is he really playing that piano?What it means to re-watch a show with “nostalgia goggles”.Jane reveals her “Secret Trick” to writing Iconic Women!When Anne met Jane! Susan's sister and 8TL superfan, Anne Lambert, joins in to say hello and keep us talking during the break.So join Susan and Sharon – and Jane and Drew – as they talk “Small Wonder”, syndication, “success pie”, swim-top switches -- and Piggy Barbecue!!NOTE: This episode was recorded before the WGA and SAGAFTRA strike.AUDIOGRAPHYRead “Girl in the Show: Three Generations of Comedy, Culture and Feminism” by Anna Fields at Bookshop.Check out Molly Ringwald’s New Yorker essay “What About ‘The Breakfast Club? Revisiting the Movies of My Youth in The Age of #MeToo”Follow Drew Greenberg on Twitter @DrewZacharyFollow Jane Espenson on Twitter @JaneEspensonWatch “It’s A Living” on Tubi or YouTube.Visit the WGA Strike hub.Visit the SAG AFTRA strike hub.CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Please help us make more 8TL. Get ad-free episodes and more on PATREON!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

“On Sundays, I couldn’t wait for Monday.” – Eilish Zebrasky, Head of Wardrobe for Aaron Spelling.Susan and Sharon get all dressed up and strut their stuff with legendary 80s TV and Film costume designer Eilish Zebrasky. For over 25 years, Eilish Zebrasky was the Costume Department Head for Aaron Spelling Productions, responsible for all the amazing clothes you saw on classic shows like “Murder, She Wrote”, “Dynasty”, “The Love Boat”, “Charlie’s Angels”, “Hart to Hart”, “Hotel”, “Fantasy Island”, “Vega$” and “Charmed”.In her five-decade career, Eilish has pretty much seen every major celebrity in Hollywood in their underwear -- and she has personally costumed such stars as Faye Dunaway, Goldie Hawn, Alyssa Milano, Barbara Streisand, Angela Lansbury, Paul Newman, Robert Wagner, Bette Davis, Elizabeth Taylor, Ava Gabor, Jaclyn Smith, Connie Seleca, Shanen Doherty, Rose McGowan, Kate Jackson, Farrah Fawcett and Joan Collins.From her childhood in Belfast, Ireland – to the glamorous boutiques of Beverly Hills – to Elizabeth Taylor’s “Closet of Jewels”, Eilish has seen – and dressed – it all!THE CONVERSATIONWhat's the perfect training for a career as a Hollywood costume designer? Working in a Belfast button-sewing factory!How new boyfriend – and future husband -- Tony helped her get her first gig at Warner Bros. -- on the movie “Camelot”.What happens when a hot, young male star arrives for his fitting -- with no underwear??SAVING BEN VEREEN’S BUTT – How a split pant-seam on the set of “Funny Lady” almost led to disaster, until Eilish (and a used T-shirt) saved the day!How not getting the on-screen credit she deserved led Eilish to leave Warner Bros. – and finally accept the job of Head of Wardrobe for Aaron Spelling Productions!50 FAKE FUR COATS: What do you do when “The Love Boat” goes to Alaska, and all the stars end up freezing?GETTING AWAY WITH “MURDER, SHE WROTE”: How Angela Lansbury grabbed Eilish away from Aaron Spelling – but only for Jessica Fletcher’s outfits!Did the stars get to keep their fabulous costumes? No! (But they could buy them -- at half-price!)MISTAKEN IDENTITY: The mystery of the Marvel Universe’s other Eilish Zebrasky.Where did Alyssa Milano's Valkarie costume for "Charmed" end up?How approaching your life and work with kindness leads to all good things!So join Susan and Sharon – and Eilish – as they talk “Cuppa and Bicky” with Angela Lansbury, Dynasty “Dress-Up” Parties – and Goldie Hawn’s stolen underwear from "Butterflies are Free"!AUDIOGRAPHYBuy second-hand costume creations from your favorite TV shows and movies at “It’s a Wrap”.Interview with Eilish Zebrasky at the Costume Designers Guild.Check out “Fifty Fashion Looks That Changed the 1980’s” by Paula Reed at ThriftBooks. Listen to SAG-AFTRA President Fran Drescher’s Fiery Call to Action strike speech.CONNECTFor transcripts, contact info and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Please help us make more 8TL. Get ad-free episodes and more on PATREON!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Tumble out of bed/and stumble to the kitchen/pour yourself a cup of ambitionAnd yawn and stretch and listen in as Susan and Sharon talk "Nine to Five": The TV Series with podcaster and founder of Weirding Way Media, Chris Stachiw.On this special cross-over episode with The Kulturecast, we dig into one of the strangest, funniest and least-known film-to-TV transplants: Nine To Five. The film “9 to 5” debuted on December 19th, 1980 starring Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton.Running 85 episodes from 1982-1988, and executive produced by Jane Fonda, Nine to Five went on a wild journey -- from ABC (1982-83) to first-run syndication (1984-88), from film to video, and featuring an amazing and ever-changing cast that included Rita Moreno, Sally Struthers, Peter Bonerz, Jeffrey Tambor, Jean Marsh, Jack Reilly, Herb Edelman, Valerie Curtin -- and Dolly Parton’s sister, Rachel Dennison!THE CONVERSATIONHOW A MOVEMENT SPURRED A MOVIE: The “9 to 5 Labor Movement”, which sprang up with the influx of women in the workplace in the early 1970s, caught the attention of Jane Fonda, who decided she wanted to make a movie about how “You can run a business without the boss – but not without the secretaries.”Why a television series? Maybe beause the movie was a massive hit, earning over $100 million dollars making it the second highest-grossing film of 1980, behind “The Empire Strikes Back”?WHERE’S THE SHOW? From 20th Century Fox to the Disney vault – why is it so hard to find Nine to Five?“When The Secretaries Met The Nanny”… Who’s that locked up in a jail cell with Rita Moreno, Valerie Curtin and Rachel Dennison (Season 2, Episode 15, “The Oldest Profession”)? Yup -- it’s The Nanny, Fran DrescherFrom Dabney Coleman in the movie to Jeffrey Tambor (“Arrested Development”, “The Larry Sanders Show”, “Transparent”) and Peter Bonerz (“The Bob Newhart Show”) in the TV show – who’s your favorite “Boss From Hell”?How – and why – the Franklin Hart character transformed from a misogynistic predator in the film to a bumbling incompetent in the TV series.IT WAS A MUSICAL, too!?! The “9 to 5: The Musical” premiered in 2009! Featuring songs by Dolly Parton (including her unforgettable title song), and written by the screenwriter of the film, Patricia Resnick, running six months on Broadway.The long-delayed “9 to 5” film reunion – Well, practically happened when Dolly Parton guested on Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin’s Netflix show Grace & Frankie.So join Susan and Sharon – and Chris – as they talk sexual harassment, singing telegrams – and the 1986 “The Real Ghostbusters” animated cartoon show!AUDIOGRAPHYListen to Susan and Sharon talk about “9 to 5” (the movie!) on Chris Stachiw’s movie podcast “The Kulturecast” on Apple or Spotify or Podlink.Learn about the 9 to 5 Labor Movement at 9to5.org.Read the book: Working 9 to 5: A Women's Movement, a Labor Union, and the Iconic Movie. Check it out at Bookshop. Watch the Netlfix documentary: “9 to 5: The Story of a Movement”.Watch all the opening title sequences of all five seasons of 9 to 5 on YouTube. Follow Rita Moreno on Twitter at https://twitter.com/TheRitaMoreno CONNECTLet us know your thoughts on 9 to 5 and if you have any ideas where to watch all the episodes - Email us at 80sTVLadies@gmail.comFor transcripts and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Help us make more episodes and get ad-free episodes and exclusive content on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

“What do we want? Fair Pay! When do we want it? NOW!”The 80’s TV Ladies fast-forward from the 1980s to the RIGHT NOW – for a special "breaking news" episode about the ongoing 2023 WGA Writer’s Strike that is having a major impact on television production – and the future of entertainment as we know it. As the strike enters its third month writers and other guilds are calling out for “transformative change” and insisting “now is not the time to meet in the middle.”But what’s really going on? It's time for Writer's Strike 101. WGA Strike Captain and TV writer/producer Katherine DiSavino (“Silo”, “Nancy Drew”, “Outpost”) joins Susan and Sharon to help break down the issues from the inside.THE CONVERSATIONHow Kate got her start as a playwright – in her parent’s dinner theater!WATCHING JESSICA FLETCHER: How “Murder She Wrote” star Angela Lansbury gave Kate the mystery writing bug.Why did writers overwhelmingly support the Strike Authorization Vote?Why is this strike so different from the last one in 2007-2008?Is it fair that streaming profits have gone up exponentially, but writer pay has gone down 24% since 2014?“I AM THE STRIKE CAPTAIN NOW!” How Kate and other strike captains organize hundreds of picketing writers every day – right in front of all the major studios in Los Angeles!What do the writers want? Are the Studios willing – or able – to meet their demands? How does AI figure in? What does all this mean for women, BIPOC, disabled and LGBTQ writers?And what happens if the actors in SAG-AFTRA go on strike, too?Does writing end when the script is finished? Nope. Kate discusses how the writing task continues – on set, in post-production and all the way to your screen.HONK THOSE HORNS! Learn how you can support the WGA, striking writers, teamsters, IATSE crew and actors.What is a “mini-room”? Why is it such a sticking point in negotiations? And how are they leading to the end of TV writing as we know it?Guess what the 80s TV Ladies learned from Jane Fonda on the picket line? (Spoiler: Actors are ready to strike.)So, join Susan and Sharon – and Kate – as they hit the Hollywood picket lines, strike back at the $3 Trillion dollar Apple Empire, and get to the bottom of our East Coast/West Coast “Hot Labor Summer”!AUDIOGRAPHYFind out more about the writers guild at WGA.org.See the WGA asks and the AMPTP "response": WGAcontract2023.org.Affected by the work stoppage or want to help? Go to Entertainment Community Fund.Learn more about SAG-AFTRA.Let them eat Pizza! Donate and find Pizza Queen Jess Morse here. On Venmo. $10.97 = 1 Pizza.Follow the upcoming 9 to 5 movie, sitcom and actors cross-over episodes here at 8TL and The Kulturecast!For transcripts and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Signup for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Help us make more 8TL, get ad-free episodes and cool stuff on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

“To be able to see it represented on TV means so much to a young mind."Susan and Sharon continue their celebration of Pride Month by welcoming JD and Denise, hosts of "The Rainbow Remix", a podcast featuring LGBTQ lifestyle news, music, arts, media -- and mixology! Denise Warner is an out lesbian and veteran podcaster going all the way back to 2006 with “The Lesbian Lounge". JD Danner is a musician and songwriter who came out after a 25-year marriage. She reached out to Denise during the COVID quarantine and together they created The Rainbow Remix, shining a light on LGBT creatives in all the arts.In a fascinating and deeply personal conversation, we talk about queer characters on TV, the way representation changed from the early to the late eighties – and using television as a mirror, both then and now, to figure out who we are and where we fit in.THE CONVERSATION“Pretending to be Gay”: From Jack Tripper on Three’s Company to Norm on Cheers -- What’s up with that?How going to a Pride event can feel like a life-or-death choice.Jamie Farr’s “Klinger” on MASH – was he gay? Trans? Or just trying to get out of the Korean War?“You Might Be A Lesbian If…”: How Kristy McNichol, an obsession with Charlie’s Angels, and a Cagney & Lacey birthday cake all helped Denise realize she just might be gay.How "Friends" got it right with TV’s first lesbian wedding – but then fumbled five years later with the transphobic “One About Chandler’s Dad” episode – and what show creator Marta Kaufman says about it now.Were Darlene on "Roseanne" and Jo on "Facts of Life" coded as gay?“The Secret Audience”: why straight viewers watch "The L Word" and "Queer as Folk" – juicy story-lines and hot crushes!The importance of supporting lesbian and diverse creative projects and creators.“We Want Ellen to Come Out”: How the show approached her “big life change” – and why the network suggested she just get a puppy instead.The "Ellen" Backlash: How Ellen’s coming out episode got Oprah hate mail, the Ellen TV show cancelled and almost destroyed DeGeneres’ career.The night Susan went to Ellen DeGeneres’ apartment -- with the Indigo Girls!How could you not know? In the 70s and 80s, we - and our moms - all loved Boy George, Prince, Grace Jones, Liberace and Paul Lynde.So join Susan and Sharon – and Denise and JD! – as they talk Golden Girls, best lesbian kisses -- and make-up tips from drag queens!AUDIOGRAPHYListen to The Rainbow Remix Podcast.Listen to Sharon and Susan on Rainbow Remix's 80s TV Ladies episode!Catch The Rainbow Remix on Youtube and at TheRainbowRemix.com. Learn about the The Trevor Project's work to support LGBTQ youth and Donate here. Listen to JD Danner’s "Come out and Dance" on Spotify.Read about Friends creator Marta Kauffman on the lack of diversity in Friends and the mis-gendering of Chandler’s parent on HuffPost. For transcripts and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Signup for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Help us make more episodes and get ad-free episodes and exclusive content on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

What did Queer representation look like in 70s, 80s and 90s television? Could you say gay?Susan and Sharon kick off their Pride Month celebration with author, podcaster and video maker Matt Baume. His latest book, “Hi Homey, I’m Homo!” traces the evolution of LGBTQ+ characters on American sitcoms. His previous book - “Defining Marriage” - chronicles the personal stories of people who fought for marriage equality over the last forty years.In this fun, fact-filled interview, Matt shares stories from his childhood and early life that led to his career as a chronicler of queer history on TV – and then we discuss the highlights (and lowlights) of TV history as seen through rainbow-colored glasses…THE CONVERSATIONHow the Civil rights movement led to the first subtextual whispers about Queer culture and characters on TV. “Bewitched” anyone?AND – how the “Bewitched” episode “The Witches Are Out” (S1, Ep 7) eerily and hilariously anticipates future struggles for representation within marginalized cultures.The 1971 “All in the Family” (S1, Ep 5) “Judging Books By Covers” features one of the first gay characters on primetime TV – even though the word “gay” is never used.AND – how another “AITF” recurring character, drag queen Beverly La Salle, becomes part of “the family” in “Archie, the Hero” “Beverly Rides Again” “Edith’s Crisis of Faith”AND – how “AITF” 1975 episode “Cousin Liz” may have swayed a California election about whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to teach in public schools.Do you remember the 1992 Nickelodeon "Nick News with Linda Ellerbee" special "A Conversation with Magic" about HIV/AIDS featuring Magic Johnson and a group of HIV-positive kids? Matt does – and it led directly to what he does now.“I Can’t Believe It’s Not Heterosexual!” - a deep dive into the classic sitcom “discovery moment” when a character suddenly realizes another character is gay.Gay Kisses on TV: LA Law, Picket Fences, and Rosanne. Why is it one thing for women to kiss – but way different for men?What do “Fraggle Rock” and “Star Trek” have in common?“80’s Star Trek Ladies”? It might be coming your way soon-ish…!“Designing Women’s” groundbreaking episode “Killing All The Right People” about AIDS and safe sex.How TV struggled then and still today with trans representation.The Incredible Life of George Takei!So join Susan and Sharon – and Matt – and they discuss Muppets, Maude – and the Magic of asking for “100 percent of what you want – 100 percent of the time!” AUDIOGRAPHYCheck out everything Matt Baume is doing – including his podcast “Sewers of Paris” -- at his website, MattBaume.comGet Matt Baume’s new book “Hi Honey, I’m Homo” at Bookshop.SIGNED COPIES are available at Elliott Bay.Watch Matt’s YouTube Videos.LGBTQ AdvocacyConsider supporting orgs like The Trevor Project and The Okra Project.CONNECTWhat does representation mean to you? Email us at 80sTVLadies@gmail.comFor transcripts and more visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Help us make more episodes and get ad-free episodes and exclusive content on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

In Part Two of our conversation with Cynthia Bemis Abrams, host of the “Advanced TV Herstory” podcast, we continue our discussion of feminism in American culture and its effect on television as we delve into sports, politics, female stereotypes – and the unsung feminist heroes of Hollywood’s mysterious “Secret Sisterhood”. THE CONVERSATIONWOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE: What stereotypes were women assigned when they made their way into the offices of America in the 1970s? (“The Seductress” and “The Iron Maiden” are just two…) and how to avoid the pitfalls of the workplace.And then – what 4 archetypes do female sitcom characters often portray?The Unknown Dinah Shore – everything you never knew, and then some…How did the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and Title IX in 1973 change everything for women – and how the failure to pass the Equal Rights Amendment after 50 years is still holding us back…The “Secret Sisterhood” in Hollywood: Does it exist? And if so -- how does it work?What is known and unknown about abusers in the industry…What happened when Susan convinced her science teacher to coach the girl’s soccer team – even though her teacher knew nothing about soccer!Why can’t you find the actual film of the 1973 Billy Jean King/Bobby Riggs “Battle of the Sexes” anywhere? Sharon has a theory…So join Susan and Sharon and Cynthia as they talk Lena Horne, “Grace & Frankie” – and Cynthia’s upcoming projects, including a non-fiction graphic novel!IN MEMORIUMWe salute some 80s ladies we've recently lost: Tina TurnerJacklyn ZemanEileen SakiBarbara BryneGarn StevensCarol LocatellElizabeth HubbardN'Neka GarlandRita LatkinEmily MarshallSharon AckerAUDIOGRAPHY“Men and Women of the Corporation” by Rosabeth Moss Kanter on Amazon.“TV Female Foursomes and Their Fans: Featuring The Golden Girls, Designing Women, Living Single, Sex and the City, Girlfriends, Cashmere Mafia and Hot in Cleveland” by Wendy Burns Ardelino - on Bookshop. Cynthia Bemis Abrams podcast “Advanced TV Herstory”STOP THE HATE: PROTECT TRANS & QUEER RIGHTSTake action at Aclu.org and ACLU map. Teen Vogue info and support for the Trans community. Help kids and families in Texas.https://www.northtexasgivingday.org/organization/transkidsandfamiliesoftexasHelp LGBTQ+ in the South.For transcripts and more, visit 80sTVLadies.com.Don’t miss out. Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list!Help us make more episodes and get ad-free episodes and exclusive content on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Welcome to 80’s TV Ladies: Season Two!Susan and Sharon kick-off the new season with Cynthia Bemis-Abrams, the host of sister podcast “Advanced TV Herstory” -- a fascinating deep dive into the backstory of women in television, that connects the dots between TV, feminism, American culture and politics.In Part One of a two-part conversation, we’ll talk about the shows, actresses and characters that stood out as landmarks for women over the past five decades. We also tease what’s coming up as Susan and Sharon turn their attention from one-hour mysteries to half-hour comedies including “Designing Women”, “227”, “A Different World” and “It’s A Living”!THE CONVERSATIONWhat does one do when the kids have gone off to college and “some old people have died”? If you’re Cynthia Bemis-Abrams YOU START A PODCAST!How Charlie’s Angels (and women’s tennis?!) helped Cynthia find her way toward what she wanted to be.80’s MONIED MATRIARCHS: Jane Wyman of Falcon Crest, Barbara Bel Geddes of Dallas and the importance of BIG power, BIG hair – and BIG SHOULDER PADS!SAVING FAMILY DINNERS: When you’re struggling to find common ground with older relatives at family functions, ask them what their favorite shows from the 60’s and 70’s were…. And WHY.From James L. Brooks to Barney Rosenzweig: how feminist men helped women writers and directors advance in Television.The importance of staking out time and space to recognize and elevate women’s achievements – and why it’s so hard for women to do…Some favorite episodes of “Advanced TV Herstory”: Robin Means Coleman on “A Different World”; Margaret Cho on “American Girl” and Linda Bloodworth-Thomason’s game-changing “Designing Women” episode “They Shoot Fat Women, Don’t They?”The Legend of the “Difficult Woman” – how do powerful, creative women navigate a career through the maze of male Hollywood?Betty Thomas, we want to interview you!What is it like living a mile from Mary Tyler Moore’s apartment?!So join Susan, Sharon – and Cynthia – as they talk what to do about "problematic men", “WKRP in Cincinnati” turkeys – and the importance of a good VHS cassette.Thank you all so much for joining us as we begin our journey into Season Two of 80’s TV Ladies! Tell us what shows you love -- Go to 80sTVLadies.com and give us feedback.AUDIOGRAPHYCynthia Bemis-Abrams podcast “Advanced TV Herstory”Find Advanced TV Herstory on Twitter.Find Kenya Rothstein’s podcast, “Thank You For Saying NO”Check out Totally 80s 90s Recall podcast.Don’t miss out on everything 80s TV Ladies. Sign up for our mailing list!Help us make more episodes and get ad-free episodes and exclusive content on PATREON.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Episode 23 - Who ever thought we’d get this far?!?Susan and Sharon celebrate their first season finale with a wrap-up on “Cagney & Lacey.” How did a little idea about having a female “Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid” buddy movie turn into a legendary, award-winning TV series that spanned 7 seasons, 125 episodes and 4 TV movies?We discuss the show’s origins and controversies, its impact on American culture in the 1980s and how network television used to be the most powerful way for cutting-edge topics to enter the public conversation. Susan and Sharon also share their favorite episodes, scenes and their big love for John Karlen’s Harvey Lacey – the best TV husband ever!THE CONVERSATIONHow Sharon Gless replaced Lynn Redgrave on “Housecalls” before replacing Meg Foster on “Cagney & Lacey”.Was “Housecalls” a love connection for Sharon Gless and co-star, MASH alum Wayne Rogers?How did Cagney & Lacey reflect the real-world challenges of female cops in the 80s?The night Cagney & Lacey taught America about… microwave ovens?“Buckle Up, Christine!” - how a nation of police officers – and Mary Beth Lacey – finally got Cagney to click that seatbelt.The complicated, behind-the-scenes affairs on-set between the show creator, the cinematographer and one of the stars!That Emmy-winning scene from “Turn, Turn, Turn: Part Two” (Season 6, Episode 22)Tyne Daly or Sharon Gless – who was number one on the call sheet, whose name came first in the credits -- and what does it all mean…So join Susan and Sharon as they talk cigarettes, lottery tickets -- and undercover nuns!PLUS – Special Guest: Amy Engelhardt, the composer of the 80’s TV Ladies Theme Song!AND -- 80’s TV Ladies wishes you all a very HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY – with a special shout-out to a great episode of “Golden Girls”: Season 3, Episode 25 – “Mother’s Day”Thank you all so much for joining us on our journey through Season One of 80’s TV Ladies. We’ll be back in two weeks with Episode One of Season Two – and we can’t wait to see you there! AUDIOGRAPHYCagney & Lacey Appreciation Facebook Group.Amy Englehardt official website. Help send Amy’s show, IMPACT to the Ediburough Fringe Festival via Fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/impactPlease, help us make Season TWO spectacular! Support us on Patreon. Don’t miss out. Sign up for our mailing list.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

What do those crazy 90s kids think of 80s Cagney & Lacey? We’re gonna find out!Susan and Sharon welcome back Serita Fontanesi, Megan Ruble and Sergio Perez – the 90’s TV Babies! We asked them to watch three episodes: the original one-hour pilot, starring Tyne Daly as Lacey and Loretta Swit as Cagney; the “new” pilot with Meg Foster in the role of Cagney; and finally, Sharon Gless’s first turn as Cagney, the Season Two opener “Witness to an Incident”.The 90’s TV Babies loved “Scarecrow & Mrs. King”, but two of them DIDN’T love “Remington Steele”. What will their verdict be for “Cagney & Lacey”? And what's their personal connection to this show?THE CONVERSATIONThe eternal comfort-food pleasure of police procedurals.“Ain’t That The Way”: what’s with that amazing original theme song?Which Baby liked Loretta Swit the best? And which one loved Meg Foster??Is Christine Cagney coded as lesbian? (And what does “coded” mean, anyway?)Does Meg Foster have “F@%k Me” eyes?Why does Susan want to be “Magnum, P.I.”?!Sergio Perez on the heat of “Heat” (Season 4, Episode 2)Turns out Serita is friends with (Detective Petrie) Carl Lumbly’s son, Brandon!Ripped From The Headlines: Was Cagney & Lacey an “issue show”?Harvey Lacey: the revolutionary evolution of Mary Beth Lacey’s Husband, played by John Karlen.What is the bar for representation on TV? Has it gotten better since the ’80s? Can you have more than two female leads? Black characters? Can you have racial diversity AND LGBTQ representation in the same show?So, join Susan and Sharon – and the Babies – as we talk “MASH”-love, “Shadow & Bone” and the joy of raising puppies!80s TV LADIES SALUTE and Fan FeedbackPLUS – 80’S TV LADIES salutes the recent passing of some legendary TV and film ladies…AND -- listener feedback from our fans!Part of Weirding Way Media network.Help us make more episodes AND get ad-free episodes: WE’RE NOW ON PATREON!Find out more or download transcripts, visit our website - 80sTVLadies.comStay up to date and get exclusive info. Sign up for our mailing list.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

What was it like to break into directing in the 1970s and '80s? Let's find out!Sharon and Susan are honored to talk with Emmy-winning director Karen Arthur. Karen started out as an actress on such shows as “Get Smart”, “The Streets of San Francisco”, “Mannix”, “That Girl” and “The Monkees”. In 1975 she made the transition to directing and has since helmed episodes of classic TV series including “Judging Amy”, “Hart to Hart”, “7th Heaven” and “Remington Steele”, as well as the powerful true story TV movie “The Rape of Richard Beck” and the award-winning mini-series “The Jacksons: An American Dream” starring Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs and Angela Bassett.In 1985, Ms. Arthur was the first woman to win a primetime Emmy award for directing, for her work on the “Cagney & Lacey” episode “Heat”. She has worked with some of the biggest stars in Hollywood, including Ed Asner, Kirstie Allie, Delta Burke, Barbara Hershey, Diane Ladd, Bernadette Peters, Christopher Plummer, Christopher Reeves, Jane Seymour, Susan Sullivan and Angelina Jolie.THE CONVERSATIONHow drinking wine and dreaming of Hollywood with a friend in summer stock led to “Remington Steele” creator Michael Gleason going to bat for Karen to get her first TV directing job: “Rich Man, Poor Man Book II”.Almost getting kicked off the lot for parking in the “Director” spot – and then telling the Security Guard: “I AM the director!”Fun and heartache on “Hart to Hart” with the great Stefanie Powers.Meeting and falling in love on “Cagney & Lacey” with her husband of 39 years -- director of photography Thomas Neuwirth.Winning the Emmy and how it changed everything for Karen – and the women directors to follow.DOWN IN FRONT: How sitting in the front row when the bosses are watching your work is the best director trick she’s learned -- and why…Working with Lee Grant and Carol Kane on The Mafu Cage and learning to give actors – and herself – “room to fail”.The choreography of directing and creating intricate shots.Choosing her projects carefully -- and getting the nickname “Karen No”.Filming “The Rape of Richard Beck” with Richard Crenna -- and the message he showed the crew written on his own butt!So join Susan and Sharon – and Karen – as they talk about bumping into Tyne Daly on Broadway, getting checks from Paul Newman and swallowing fire with Pierce Brosnan!PLUS – 80’S TV LADIES TRIBUTE salutes the recent passing of some legendary TV and film ladies…AND -- listener feedback from our fans!AUDIOGRAPHYDefining Women: Television and the Case of Cagney & Lacey by Julie D'Acci. Get it at Bookshop. Primetime Feminism: Television, Media Culture and the Women’s Movement Since 1970 by Bonnie J. Dow. Get it at Penn Press or Amazon.Part of Weirding Way Media with Mike White & Chris Stachiw Help us make episodes AND experience them ad-free, plus get cool exclusive content: WE’RE NOW ON PATREON!For more information or to download a transcript of this podcast, visit our website - 80sTVLadies.com. Don’t miss out. Sign up for our mailing list.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Susan and Sharon are thrilled to sit down with show business legend Sharon Gless. Multi-Emmy and Golden Globe winner, Sharon Gless has appeared in dozens of television shows such as “Nip/Tuck”, “Rizzoli & Isles”, “The Rockford Files”, “House Calls,”The Bob Newhart Show”, “Station 19” and “The Exorcist.” She has created iconic and ground-breaking characters in the shows “Burn Notice”, “Queer as Folk”, “The Trials of Rosie O’Neill” and of course “Cagney & Lacey”.In 2021 she published her bestselling, no-holds-barred autobiography “Apparently There Were Complaints”. In this in-depth interview, Sharon Gless talks frankly about feminism, her ongoing friendship with Tyne Daly, her affair, marriage and almost-divorce from Barney Rosenzweig, her struggles with substance abuse and recovery -- and the lasting legacy of the characters she’s played.THE CONVERSATIONThe moment Sharon Gless knew she wanted to be an actress – and knew she would not fail“The first feminist I ever met…” -- Barney Rosenzweig??How Cagney and Lacey we’re NEVER friends.How Sharon was actually the VERY FIRST person approached to play Christine Cagney – and why she turned it down.Earning $186 a week as the last contract player at Universal.“The Woman Behind the Woman”: how talent manager Monique James left her position as VP at MCA/Universal to become Sharon’s personal manager – and changed her life.Being forced to watch herself on film to learn what she was doing right -- and wrong.Hashing out billing, and rehearsing her first table read as Cagney, with Tyne Daly over a bottle of champagne.Why Christine Cagney wanted to be first through the door with a gun.Improvising and window shopping for the Cagney & Lacey main titles.Participating with Tyne Daly and Gloria Steinem in the 2004 Women’s March on Washington –- and seeing the true impact of “Cagney & Lacey” for the first time.Being Stephen J. Cannell’s “good luck charm!”Falling in love with Debbie Novotny on “Queer as Folk”.So join Susan, Sharon – and Sharon Gless -- as they talk poker nights with Tyne, the “C”-word, the other “C”-word -- and what did she really say to that flasher??AUDIOGRAPHYOfficial website: SharonGless.com Sharon Gless Facebook page.Sharon Gless’ autobiography “Apparently There Were Complaints” at Bookshop. Watch the trailer for Sharon’s upcoming Documentary - Show Her The MoneyWHERE TO WATCHCagney & Lacey on ROKU. On PLUTO. On Apple TV.Trials of Rosie O’Neill on Roku. On Amazon Prime.Queer as Folk on Amazon. On Apple TV.Burn Notice on HULU. On Apple TV.Sign up for our mailing list. Visit 80sTVLadies.com for podcast episode transcripts. Help us make more episodes AND get ad-free audio, video and other goodies: We're ON PATREON!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Join us to meet the woman behind Mary Beth Lacey! Sharon and Susan are excited and honored to talk with Emmy and Tony-award winning actress and the star of Cagney & Lacey, Tyne Daly.In a career spanning eight decades, Tyne Daly has appeared on stage and screen in over 100 roles in everything from “The Mod Squad” and “Judging Amy” to co-starring with Clint Eastwood in the Dirty Harry film “The Enforcer”. She has received six Emmy awards – four for her outstanding portrayal of Mary Beth Lacey on “Cagney & Lacey.” In this intimate interview, Tyne Daly shares stories of her childhood, barely finishing high school, her early days acting in New York, her eventual move to Los Angeles with then husband actor/director Georg Stanford Brown -- and a lifetime of acting, politics and poetry.THE CONVERSATIONHow Dustin Hoffman opened the door for “non-perfect” people on film and TV.Coming to California -- and being “done at 21”!How the internet is the death of conversation and the power of words.Doing her early pilots – and hoping they didn’t go!“I Did My Cop” - How Dirty Harry almost kept Tyne from doing “Cagney & Lacey”How Tyne went to the mat for Meg Foster (the 2nd Cagney) at the end of season one – and almost lost her job for it.What it was like to read with the (many) actresses auditioning to play the third Cagney – and how it felt to hear what the producers said about them when they left the room.Why Tyne hasn’t re-watched the show – and doesn’t want to.Tyne’s idea for a new holiday: Interdependence Day – a day celebrating everything we have in common.Tyne reads the poem “Life While You Wait” by Wisława SzymborskaHow after a life time of striving and struggling – as an actress and woman – Tyne sees that certain battles are never over…What's Tyne's one word to explain the 21st century? And what's yours?So join Susan, Sharon – and Tyne -- as they talk Bette Davis, Angela Lansbury, Jimmy Stewart, “Colleagues with penises” and “Lining up with the pigs”!AUDIOGRAPHYVisit the Official Cagney & Lacey Facebook page.& Official Tyne Daly Facebook page.WHERE TO WATCH:Cagney & Lacey on RokuThe Bread Factory, Part 1 and Part 2Stream for free with library card or university log-in: Kanopy.com - On Apple TV.- On Amazon.BOOKS & MORERemembering Cagney & Lacey with Sharon Gless & Tyne Daly by Brian McFaddenPoems New and Collected by Wisława SzymborskaThe New Handbook for a Post Roe America by Robin MartyCheck out 80s TV Ladies Susan and Sharon on Rainbow Remix podcastHelp us out AND get ad-free episodes: WE’RE ON PATREON!Thank you to our new Patreon supporters: Thank you Michael, Anne and Kate!! Y’all are awesome. Visit 80s TV Ladies website for transcripts and more. Sign up for our mailing list.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Wait! There were THREE Cagneys?In Part 2 of our conversation with creator/executive producer Barney Rosenzweig, we follow along as the massive success of the Cagney & Lacey TV movie launches it directly into a weekly series for CBS and into a very tumultuous road from multiple cancellations to hit ratings and 14 Emmys. The rest, as they say, is 80’s TV herstory…THE CONVERSATIONGOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS, PART 1: “We want ‘Cagney & Lacey’ as a mid-season pick-up!” BUT… “You’ve got to be on the air in 20 weeks. And -- you need a new Cagney”.After Loretta Switt, but before Meg Foster… Susan Clark (Webster, Coogan's Bluff) was almost Cagney -- except for one small problem only Barney noticed. (“Lacey & Lacey” anyone?)GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS, PART 2: Cagney & Lacey premieres to a 38 share!” BUT… “Then it plummets to a 22 share. You’re canceled.”Time slot matters: Why would it be a bad idea to air Cagney & Lacey after massive-hit Magnum P.I.? After Cagney & Lacey is dropped, what 80s detective duo TV show was saved from the chopping block by taking the slot? Spoiler alert: Simon & Simon!How did Barney snatch victory from the jaws of defeat - and wrangle a last-minute reprieve that results in a second-season order.THE FINAL CAGNEY: How the second season renewal is dependent on replacing Cagney one more time. The end of House Calls gives us the third - and final - Cagney in the form of… drumroll… Sharon Gless!GOOD NEWS/BAD NEWS, PART 3: “Your ratings are great! You’re nominated for Emmys!” BUT… “The Thornbirds came on and destroyed your ratings. You’re canceled – AGAIN!”The Barney & fan-driven letter-writing campaign to save the show from death -- AGAIN!The Abortion Episode – and why Barney thinks it’s one of their weakest.How Barney’s on-set affair led to the end of one marriage (to Barbara Corday, Cagney & Lacey writer/creator and then Columbia Television president) and the beginning of another (to series co-star Sharon Gless).Looking Back: Barney reflects on the many ways his journey with “Cagney & Lacey” changed his career, his personal philosophy – and his life.So join Susan & Sharon – and Barney – as they talk Moonlighting, Dead to Me – and why you should always call your mom…AUDIOGRAPHYWHERE TO WATCH:On Apple.On Amazon.On Pluto.More Streaming Options on Decider.Visit the Official Cagney & Lacey website.Read Barney Rosenzweig’s Blog!Get Barney’s book: “Cagney & Lacey… and me” BOOK: “From Reverence to Rape: The Treatment of Women in the Movies” by Molly HaskellWeirding Way Media (Mike White & Chris Stachiw) Need help or want to help? ABORTIONFUNDS.ORGHelp people access abortion: ThePinkHouseFund.comWE’RE NOW ON PATREON! Help us out AND get ad-free episodes and other good stuff. For more information or to download a transcript of this podcast, visit - 80sTVLadies.com!Don’t miss out on everything 80s TV Ladies. Sign up for our mailing list!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement

Buckle up, kids - We’re kicking off our series on Cagney & Lacey!Sharon & Susan begin their look back at the classic 80’s TV series Cagney & Lacey with a conversation with the show’s creator and executive producer, Barney Rosenzweig. Rosenzweig’s career spans five decades and hundreds of hours of television including Charlie’s Angels, Daniel Boone, Christie, Twice in a Lifetime, and The Trials of Rosie O’Neill.But he made TV history when he approached writers Barbara Avedon and Barbara Corday with a simple yet revolutionary idea: “Write a Robert Redford/Paul Newman buddy movie -- but for women.” They in turn wrote Cagney & Lacey to answer the burning 1980s question: “Can women be buddies under pressure?” Together, they created a legendary television series that Rosenzweig elegantly describes as “a show about two women – who just happen to be cops”.Cagney & Lacey is a police procedural drama - starring Tyne Daly and Sharon Gless - that premiered in 1982 and ran until 1988. The franchise included 125 episodes and five TV movies. The show has been the recipient of 37 Primetime Emmy nominations with 14 wins, including four wins for a leading actress in a drama for Daly and two wins for Gless.THE CONVERSATIONThree Cagneys, Two “pilots”… and One Lacey! - How Tyne Daly’s Mary Beth Lacey went through three Christine Cagneys: Loretta Switt, Meg Foster -- and finally Sharon Gless.But what’s a Showrunner? - Barney explains his role in collaborating with writers, directors, actors and artists to bring a singular vision to life.A Life-Changing Epiphany – How a night at the movies with future wife Barbara Avedon showed a “50’s guy” what sexism really is.How Cagney & Lacey were almost played by… Anne Bancroft & Raquel Welch??Working publicity for MGM's Howard Strickling and directors Martin Ritt and Tony Richardson - which one was "the worst experience of my life"?How to shoot Toronto for New York – there is a trick…How a chance meeting with Suzanne Levine got Cagney & Lacey on the cover of Ms. Magazine – and a 48 share!So join us as we talk about University of Southern California yell-leaders, 1965 MGM-epic Ben Hur, car bombs – and throwing up over “director’s cuts”!AUDIOGRAPHY- Visit the Official Cagney & Lacey website.- Read Barney Rosenzweig’s Blog!- Get Barney’s book: “Cagney & Lacey… and me”Help us keep making this show and get ad-free episodes: WE’RE now ON PATREON! For more information or to download a transcript of this podcast, visit our website - 80sTVLadies.com Don’t miss out on everything 80s TV Ladies. Sign up for our mailing list!This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5585115/advertisement