God Is Not A Theory

Ken Fish is joined by Joel and Kady Taylor to debrief something close to all their hearts: the youth and kids tracks at the recent Luminosity conference. Moves of God are intergenerational—and Orbis built two dedicated tracks (kids under 14, and a youth/young-adult track for ages 14–25) so the next generation wouldn’t just hear about the works of God, but encounter them firsthand.Joel and Kady share what unfolded: healing breaking out among the kids in seconds, serious deliverance and freedom among the youth—spirits of death and suicide called out, young people set free from things they’d never told anyone—and the Spirit of God moving tangibly as young people learned to prophesy and pray for the sick. They dispel a few youth-ministry myths (you don’t have to be young and “cool”—you have to love them like Jesus), and Ken grounds it all in Judges 2, the sobering account of a generation that “did not know the Lord or the work he had done.” Joel and Kady also speak honestly about the cost of parenting at a conference and laying down their lives for their kids.In this conversation:Why moves of God are intergenerational—and why it matters nowHealing breaking out among the kids in secondsSerious deliverance and freedom among the youthDispelling youth-ministry myths—love over “cool”Teaching young people to see what the Father is doingA teen who drove home and saw revival in his own youth groupJudges 2 and the generation that “did not know the Lord”The cost of parenting at a conference—and laying down your life for your kidsA humbling moment when the Lord moved through their young sonWhy the youth of Scripture were called youngThere’s no B-grade Holy Spirit and no junior Holy Spirit. Get the next generation in the room to see, touch, and carry the works of God for themselves.📅 Mark your calendar: Luminosity 2027 | October 6–9 (Nashville area, venue to be confirmed)Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor sit down with John Ruttkay—a close associate of Lonnie Frisbee who traveled with him for roughly a decade through the Jesus People revival, and a longtime friend of Ken’s from the early Vineyard days. Now in his seventies, John is quietly seeing revival break out again, largely off the radar of mainstream and even Christian media.John reflects on the “zeitgeist”—the spirit of the age—that shaped the 1960s and ’70s and the Jesus Movement that answered it: kids raising kids, an explosion of new believers, and a hunger for the authentic. He unpacks why, at his age, he carries such unusual favor with people far younger—the grandfather and spiritual-father grace a fatherless generation is desperate for—and why the body of Christ needs an intergenerational, kingdom-minded family. From there he tells stories that aren’t making the news: a Halloween-night deliverance of an 11-time Muay Thai world champion, revival spilling onto the Texas A&M campus with students baptizing one another, and a slow, prayer-soaked labor toward awakening in Boston’s universities.In this conversation:The “zeitgeist”—the spirit of the age—then and nowThe Jesus Movement: kids raising kids and a hunger for the authenticWhy grandparents and spiritual fathers reach a fatherless generationRecovering an intergenerational, kingdom-minded family of GodAuthenticity over the “religious industrial complex”A Halloween-night deliverance of an 11-time world championRevival spilling onto the Texas A&M campus—kids baptizing kidsSlow, prayer-soaked labor toward awakening in Boston’s universitiesComparing the Jesus revival of the ’70s with our moment nowWhy there is no retirement in the kingdomThe kingdom will burn you up, but it won’t burn you out—so be present to what God is doing now.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor welcome back Putty Putman to revisit a message that struck a nerve at the recent Luminosity conference leaders’ luncheon—one so many attendees asked about that they brought it to the podcast.Putty names the moment the church finds itself in: a painful reckoning across the body of Christ, especially in charismatic streams, alongside a wider culture sprinting away from the things of God. For decades, he argues, the American church’s strategy has been to build a Christian subculture—a Christianized version of American life, with the gap between church and culture kept small. That approach reached many, but it leaves the church with an impossible choice as the culture moves: drift along with it, or recover its calling to be a counterculture. Drawing on Jesus’ own words—a city on a hill, salt, light—Putty lays out what that requires.In this conversation:The dual reckoning: scandal within the church and a culture moving away from GodSubculture vs. counterculture—and why the subculture strategy has run its courseWhat happens to a church that aligns itself to a shifting cultureWhy looking like Jesus means standing out—a city on a hill, salt and lightStanding out without becoming a provocateurCounting the cost on the front side, not as a bait-and-switchWhy a “halfway walk with Jesus” won’t sustain a countercultural lifeHow being different, paying the cost, and deep roots interlockA call to leaders: go first, then pour it into everyone who will listenThe day of the Christian subculture has passed. We either learn to be a counterculture—or we disappear.📅 Hear Putty Putman, Ken Fish, and more at the Heal the Healers conference | Oct 30–31 | Boston, MA. Click here to register: https://healthehealersconference.com/Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor welcome back Dr. Craig Keener—one of the world’s leading New Testament scholars—to discuss his new book, Spiritual Gifts Are for Today: A Biblical Case for the Continuing Work of the Spirit, co-written with Daniel Kolenda of Christ for All Nations.Written in response to the recent wave of hard cessationism, the book makes a thorough, scripture-saturated case that the gifts of the Spirit are for the church today. Craig and Joel walk through its boldest arguments: why the cessationist hermeneutic, applied consistently, would also throw out teaching, salvation, and the Great Commission; why 1 Corinthians 13 points to Christ’s return, not a closed canon; and the “apostles and oranges” confusion between apostleship and the writing of Scripture. In this conversation:Why Craig and Daniel Kolenda wrote the book nowHow the cessationist hermeneutic, applied consistently, collapsesWhy 1 Corinthians 13 points to Christ’s return, not a closed canon“Apostles and oranges”—apostleship vs. the writing of ScriptureWhether apostolic “foundation-laying” continues todayThe strongest argument for cessationism—and the biblical answerPersistence in prayer, and why some healings are real but not rapidNavigating scandals and falls with a sound biblical frameworkKeeping a cutting edge in the Spirit while working in the academyDon’t throw out the gifts because some misuse them—correct the abuse, and earnestly seek the gifts, because the God who gives them is not a theory.📅 Hear Dr. Craig Keener and Ken Fish together at the Heal the Healers conference | Oct 30–31 | Boston, MA. Look it up online to register.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49

Ken Fish and Joel Taylor are joined by Dr. Sam Storms—theologian, author, and longtime pastor—for a careful, substantive conversation about the doctrine of last things: what Scripture actually teaches about the fate of the unsaved.Together they define the terms and weigh the views: eternal conscious punishment (the historic position), annihilationism and its modern form conditional immortality, and universalism. Drawing on texts like Matthew 25 and Revelation 14, Sam makes the biblical case for the traditional view while engaging the strongest arguments on the other side with honesty and charity. The conversation keeps returning to a deeper root: nearly every theological error flows from a misconception about the nature of God—and much of modern theology has quietly turned into anthropology, exalting human feeling over God's revealed Word.In this conversation:Defining the terms: eternal conscious punishment, annihilationism, conditional immortality, universalismThe key texts—Matthew 25 and Revelation 14—and how "eternal" is usedWhy most theological error traces back to a misconception of God's characterHow modern theology turned into anthropology—human feeling over God's WordWhy "hyper-grace" and a one-dimensional view of love open the door to universalismWhether annihilationism logically collapses into universalismJohn Stott's honest struggle—and why emotions can't be the standard of truthHolding conviction with charity toward fellow believers who differWhy biblical immortality isn't the same as Plato's immortality of the soulDon't let your preferences be the final word—submit your heart to the authority of Scripture, because bad theology hurts people.Connect with Orbis Ministries🙏 Prayer: https://orbisprayer.org/❤️ Give: https://subsplash.com/orbisministries/giveGrow with Orbis📖 Read: On the Road with the Holy Spirit by Ken Fish🎓 Learn: Enroll in Orbis School of Ministry or contact Registrar Jo McKay at [email protected]💪 Train: Apply to serve on an upcoming overseas ministry trip.🤝 Connect: Join Ken's private Facebook discussion group, God Is Not a Theory. Send a Facebook Direct Message to Bryan Orbis and a friend request to be added.Upcoming EventIllumination Northwest Winter Conference📅 December 3–6, 2026📍 Father's House Church | Longview, WA💻https://fathershousechurch.com/?page_id=49