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Sounds of SAND is a podcast from Science and Nonduality which contemplates and reveres the beauty, complexity, pain, and great mystery that weave the infinite cycles of existence.
We explore beyond ultimate truths, binary thinking, and individual awakening while acknowledging humanity as a mere part of the intricate web of life.
Episodes tap into SAND’s rich history and collaborative future by presenting talks, dialogs, interviews, readings, music, and recordings from SAND Conferences, events, and webinars weaving timeless wisdom and embodied experience.
Let’s listen, learn, and share.
➡️ Find out more at scienceandnonduality.com
💌 Reach out to us at podcast@scienceandnonduality.com
We explore beyond ultimate truths, binary thinking, and individual awakening while acknowledging humanity as a mere part of the intricate web of life.
Episodes tap into SAND’s rich history and collaborative future by presenting talks, dialogs, interviews, readings, music, and recordings from SAND Conferences, events, and webinars weaving timeless wisdom and embodied experience.
Let’s listen, learn, and share.
➡️ Find out more at scienceandnonduality.com
💌 Reach out to us at podcast@scienceandnonduality.com
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In this Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio were in discussion with Pir Zia Inayat Khan, a renowned spiritual teacher in the Sufi tradition, and explored the practice of turning toward the heart — a fundamental concept in Sufism and many other spiritual paths.
Can we see the heart not just as a physical organ, but as a center of consciousness, wisdom, and divine connection? Will this inner orientation lead us to greater self-awareness, compassion, and spiritual growth?
Drawing from Sufi wisdom and his own experience, Pir Zia offered insights on cultivating a heart-centered approach to life in a modern world that uplifts comfort to ignore suffering, and developing the ability to see where there is pain and hardship in order to bring healing there.
Together, we will explore the question, “How can we harmonize the inward journey with the outward call to stand for justice?”
Pir Zia Inayat Khan, PH.D., is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He is author of Immortality: A Traveler’s Guide; Dream Flowers: The Collected Works of Noor Inayat Khan; Mingled Waters: Sufism and the Mystical Unity of Religions; and Saracen Chivalry: Counsels on Valor, Generosity and the Mystical Quest. He is editor of Caravan of Souls: An Introduction to the Sufi Path of Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.
https://inayatiyya.org/
Watch the full video version of this event here: https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/turning-toward-the-heart/
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction and Welcome
00:47 – Introducing Pir Zia Inayat Khan
01:50 – The Legacy of Hazrat Inayat Khan
06:14 – Understanding Sufism and Its Origins
12:00 – The Heart and Mind in Sufism
16:35 – Stages of the Sufi Path
24:45 – Embracing Suffering and Compassion
29:04 – The Power of the Heart in Healing
33:43 – The Responsibility of Action and Hope
35:40 – The Heroic Legacy of Noor Inayat Khan
39:27 – Sufi Influence and Universal Oneness
45:40 – Breaking the Cycle of Suffering
49:48 – The Ego and Collective Identity
53:44 – Interconnectedness and Healing
54:59 – Closing Reflections and Gratitude
Resources:
Where Olive Trees Weep (film by SAND)
Inayat Khan Foundation – Inayatiyya - The Inayati Order
Suluk Academy
Caravan of Souls (book)
Pir Zia Inayat Khan Teachings
Hazrat Inayat Khan Teachings
Noor Inayat Khan’s Legacy – Noor Inayat Khan: The Forgotten Spy
Twenty Jataka Tales by Noor Inayat Khan
Sounds of SAND #18 The Mysticism of Sound and Music (Podcast with Michael Harrison, Inayat Khan music scholar and composer)
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Dr. Kamilah Majied, MSW, PhD, is a contemplative inclusivity and equity consultant, mental health therapist, clinical educator, researcher, and internationally engaged consultant on building inclusivity and equity using meditative practices.
She is the author of Joyfully Just: Black Wisdom and Buddhist Insights for Liberated Living (Sounds True, 2024), and has authored many articles and chapters, including in the second edition of Advances in Contemplative Psychotherapy: “Contemplative Practices for Assessing and Eliminating Racism in Psychotherapy.”
Resources:
Reaching Beyond: Improvisations on Jazz, Buddhism, and a Joyful Life
Wayne Shorter: The Jazz of Liberation - Tricycle
Beyond White Mindfulness: Critical Perspectives on Racism, Well-being and Liberation - Routledge
On the Origins of Woke - The Past
Acclaimed Poet and Scholar Sonia Sanchez Delivers Stories of Opportunity and Resistance - Swarthmore College
Joy That I Have - Rise Up and Sing
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Kamilah Majied
01:29 – The Path of Buddhism and Personal Growth
02:40 – Intertwining Buddhism with Social Justice
03:32 – Influence of Family and Early Spiritual Exposure
08:24 – Black Wisdom Traditions and Cultural Contributions
11:08 – Cultural Appropriation and Mindfulness
27:38 – Global Majority and Reparative Relationality
30:43 – The Power of Words and Language
35:46 – Grief, Joy, and Social Justice
52:05 – Guided Meditation and Closing Thoughts
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In this SAND Community Gathering (September 2024) Zaya and Maurizio sat down with Jess Semaan, poet, psychotherapist and facilitator to explore the intersection of poetry and grief in the context of genocide. They drew from her research on genocide, as well as her personal and professional experiences, Jess tended to our psycho-spiritual profound sorrow and loss in this time.
By giving voice to the unspeakable and providing a means of bearing witness to the stories of those impacted by the trauma of large-scale atrocities, we are making space for individual and collective healing.
Poetry helps us navigate the complex terrain of grief, injustice, and human suffering. Come and honor the resilience of communities that have endured such immense trauma.
Jess Semaan is a queer Lebanese poet, psychotherapist, group facilitator and speaker. She researches, writes and speaks on subjects of healing from complex trauma, immigration, war and belonging. Her first poetry book Child of the Moon was published by Andrews McMeel and sold over 14,000 copies. Her second book Your Therapist is Depressed Too came out in December 2023. She immigrated to the United States from Beirut.
She has an MBA from Stanford and an M.A. in counseling Psychology from CIIS.
She identifies as SWANA (South West Asia and North Africa), with grandparents from Syria, Palestine and Mount Lebanon and resides on Ohlone land (Oakland, California), with her partner Berk and their two cats.
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction and Greetings
00:43 – Special Guest: Jess Semaan
00:56 – Reflecting on Recent Screenings
02:12 – Jess Semaan's Background and Work
03:03 – Poetry Reading: Let Gaza In
06:26 – Technical Difficulties and Reflections
07:56 – Discussing Genocide and Dehumanization
09:05 – Personal Journey and Psychological Insights
11:11 – The Complexity of Beirut
12:59 – The Psychological Impact of Diaspora
15:51 – Research on Genocide and Human Cruelty
26:46 – Poetry Reading: Is it a Massacre if it's a Palestinian?
28:51 – Healing Workshop and Collective Trauma
30:13 – Understanding My Mother's Trauma
31:51 – The Collective and Individual Psyche
34:07 – Critical Thinking and Cultural Differences
36:04 – The Role of Bystanders in Conflict
43:24 – Grieving Amidst Ongoing Conflict
51:29 – Poetry of Resistance and Grief
57:31 – Closing Reflections
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In this episode, Michael Reiley engages in an insightful discussion with Michael Joshin Thiele, a honeybee conservationist and president of Apis Arborea. The conversation explores the intersections of cultural, spiritual, and ecological dimensions of natural honeybee life.
Michael Joshin Thiele is an apiculture consultant and founder and president of Apis Arborea, a nonprofit focused on honeybee conservation through deep ecology and ecosystem-based strategies. Originally from Germany, he studied philosophy and anthropology in Berlin before relocating to the San Francisco Bay Area for Zen Buddhist training. With over a decade of experience, Michael has presented his innovative beekeeping practices at institutions like Harvard and NYU, and co-founded one of the first honeybee refuges in the U.S. His work has been featured in major media and films like Rewilding Honey Bees and Queen of the Sun.
https://www.apisarborea.org/
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction
01:13 – Michael Thiele's Journey with Bees
02:52 – The Spiritual Connection with Bees
03:35 – Zen Monastery Experience
04:52 – Bees and Dharma
08:37 – Language and Terminology
15:28 – Critique of Industrial Beekeeping
22:40 – Founding of Apis Arborea
27:45 – The Music of Bees
34:41 – Ethics and Apian Culture
48:11 – Apian Alchemy
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Welcome to our 100th episode of the Sounds of SAND podcast, marking two years since we launched on September 8, 2022.
As SAND grows and evolves with the changing times, we aim to integrate—not abandon—our foundational themes of spiritual awakening, embodiment, consciousness, and scientific wonder, while also confronting pressing global challenges such as environmental collapse, indigenous resilience, war, and societal upheaval.
In the past year, SAND released our latest film, Where Olive Trees Weep, which offers a powerful look into the lives and struggles of the Palestinian people under Israeli occupation. This film explores themes of loss, trauma, resilience, and the quest for justice. Alongside the film, we hosted Conversations on Palestine, a 23-part series of discussions diving deeper into the experiences and stories shared in the film.
Throughout the year, the podcast shifted focus to complex conversations around intergenerational trauma, colonialism, and spiritual activism, with episodes hosted by SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo, and co-host and producer, Michael Reiley. Today, we revisit some of the most powerful moments from the past year, with a special focus on the voices that have shaped our "Where Olive Trees Weep" film and series.
Thank you for being part of our journey over these two incredible years. Let’s continue to engage with the profound conversations that shape our collective understanding and growth.
Topics:
00:00:00 – Introduction
00:03:01 – #86 SAND’s New Film on Spirituality in the Face of Injustice: Zaya & Maurizio Benazzo
00:09:31 – #92 Gaza & the Bodhisattva Path: Dr. Gabor Maté & Tara Brach
00:18:55 – #60 Spiritual Warriors: Lama Rod Owens
00:24:00 – #91 Decolonizing Healthcare: Dr. Rupa Marya
00:31:14 – #84 Grieving in Community: Mirabai Starr & Mona Haydar
00:43:10 – #94 One Human Family: Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, Rev. Deborah Lee, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Pir Zia Inayat Khan
01:00:46 – #75 Love-With-Justice: Omid Safi
01:17:42 – #89 Arab Jewish Mysticism: Hadar Cohen
01:27:48 – #58 On Extinction & Enchantment: Alixa Garcia
01:36:12 – #93 Feminine Resistance in Palestine: Ashira Darwish & V
Links:
Watch Where Olive Trees Weep
Purchase the and the full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine
Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings
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Dr. Vimalasara (Valerie) Mason-John M.A. (Hon.Doc), is a founding facilitator of Compassionate Inquiry, and is the author of 10 books, including the award winning book, “Eight Step Recovery: Using The Buddha’s Teachings to Overcome Addiction” and “Detox Your Heart: Meditations for Emotional Trauma”. There are 8 Step Recovery meetings held in several continents. And they are co-founder of the training program, Mindfulness Based Addiction Recovery (MBAR), which is delivered in both English and Spanish. They work as a public speaker in the field of Mindfulness for Addiction and Trauma. They work online and in person between Canada, USA, UK and Spain.
Their new book is “First Aid Kit for the Mind: Breaking the Cycle of Habitual Behaviors”
Links
"First Aid Kit for the Mind"
Guided meditations to go with the book
Author page
Vimalasara’s website
Topics
00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Mason-John
02:25 – Discussing the Essence of Addiction
07:15 – Exploring the Eight Step Recovery
12:14 – Intersection of Addiction and Trauma
23:38 – Managing Triggers and Breaking the Cycle
28:58 – Recognizing Triggers in Meditation
29:20 – The Importance of Breathing and Transitions
29:55 – Meditation Habits and Overcoming Resistance
30:25 – Buddhism, Karma, and Addiction
31:11 – The Concept of Rebirth in Buddhism
32:19 – The Impact of Karma and Actions
35:48 – Self-Compassion and Inner Healing
36:41 – The Four Questions for Healing
38:43 – Practices for Self-Love and Acceptance
44:54 – Upcoming Projects and Retreats
48:21 – Guided RUST Meditation Practice
55:39 – Closing Thoughts and Gratitude
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Andrew Holecek is a renowned author and humanitarian who teaches internationally on spirituality, meditation, lucid dreaming, and the art of dying. He has studied sleep yoga, bardo yoga, and other traditional practices with living masters in India and Nepal. Andrew’s books include Dreams of Light, Dream Yoga, and Reverse Meditation. His work has appeared in Psychology Today, Parabola, Lion’s Roar, Tricycle, Utne Reader, Buddhadharma, Light of Consciousness, and many other periodicals. He hosts the popular Edge of Mind podcast and is the founder of the Night Club community, a support platform for nocturnal meditations. Learn more at andrewholecek.com.
Andrew’s new book is I’m Mindful Now What: Moving Beyond Mindfulness to Meet the Modern World.
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction
01:26 – The Mindfulness Revolution
02:10 – Beyond Mindfulness: Exploring Deeper Practices
08:20 – The Importance of Integrating the Body
08:48 – The Concept of Spiritual Bypassing
09:11 – Embodiment in Meditation
18:43 – Reverse Meditations: Transforming Pain
21:55 – The Four Steps of Reverse Meditation
35:45 – The Role of Awareness and Distraction
42:23 – The Illusion of Desire and Happiness
43:12 – The Power of Meditation and Mindfulness
44:47 – Understanding True Happiness
45:39 – The Essence of Healthy Reductionism
48:24 – Introduction to Nocturnal Meditations
01:00:54 – The Ultimate Goal: Lucid Living and Dying
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Parvathy Baul is a practitioner, performer and teacher of the Baul tradition from Bengal, India.
She studied closely with two of the most respected Baul Gurus of the previous generation, Sri Sanatan Das Thakur Baul and Sri Shashanko Goshai.
According to her Guru's vision, Parvathy Maa has created Sanatan Siddhashram - as a place of learning, practicing and preserving the oral history of the Baul tradition.
The poetry of Chandidas
Song of the Great Soul by Parvathy Baul
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction
02:27 – The Poet Chandidas
19:50 – Vibrational Transmissions
21:58 – Instruments of the Baul
30:02 – Surrender and Devotion
37:46 – Lineage of Baul Music
46:04 – Sacred Music in a Concert Setting
54:50 – One of Parvathy’s First Songs
Gigi Azmy merges 28 years of spiritual insights with scientific psychological research to guide individuals toward a profound realization of love—far beyond cultural and spiritual misconceptions. A trailblazer in her field, she introduced trauma healing into spiritual awakening workshops, emphasizing the importance of not only awakening, but also healing and evolving. Gigi excels at something seemingly impossible: helping others remove the blocks that keep them from attracting their ideal conscious relationship. Her work, rooted in personal spiritual knowledge and empirical studies in relational psychology, demystifies the art of building genuine connections and self-awareness. Additionally, Gigi extends her expertise to working with intentional communities committed to sustaining enduring relational bonds. She is currently finalizing her book, Spiritual Guide: Awakening to Love, and leads the HeartSword Sangha, a free biweekly online community focused on deep relational and personal growth. Gigi holds a master's degree in business and majored in psychology and social sciences. She lives with her husband and baby twins in Hawaii.
https://www.gigiazmy.com/
Topics
00:00 Introduction to Gigi Azmy and Her Work
01:24 Early Workshops and the Role of Trauma
04:21 Navigating Personal and Global Crises
11:43 The Complexity of Relationships and Spirituality
23:06 Inner Community and Divine Guidance
31:11 Navigating Opposing Ways of Thinking
34:00 Relationality and the Metacrisis Post-COVID
38:35 The Role of Individual Health in Community Success
51:39 Challenges and Dynamics in Intentional Communities
59:35 Future Visions for Community and Individual Growth
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In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
You can watch this full conversation and 22 others. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people.
In this conversation, legendary activist and scholar Angela Davis and Dr. Gabor Maté, physician and author, explore the intersections between the Palestinian struggle for freedom and broader global movements for justice, equity, and human liberation.
Drawing parallels between the oppression faced by Palestinians and the systemic injustice confronting marginalized communities around the world, Angela and Gabor will shed light on the common roots of violence, occupation, and dehumanization. They will examine how trauma, both individual and collective, perpetuates cycles of conflict and how healing these wounds is integral to achieving genuine liberation.
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Angela Y. Davis, Distinguished Professor Emerita in the History of Consciousness and Feminist Studies Departments at the University of California, Santa Cruz, is an internationally renowned activist, scholar, and writer who has dedicated her life to combating oppression in the U.S. and abroad. With a long-standing commitment to prisoners’ rights and a powerful critique of racism in the criminal justice system, Davis is a founding member of Critical Resistance, a national organization working to dismantle the prison industrial complex. She is the author of nine books, including Are Prisons Obsolete? and Women, Race, and Class, and has lectured in all fifty states and across the globe. Despite facing persecution for her activism and membership in the Communist Party, USA, which led to her false imprisonment and a massive “Free Angela Davis” campaign, Davis remains a tireless advocate for social justice and prison abolition.
Gabor Maté, M.D. is a specialist on trauma, addiction, stress and childhood development. After 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience, Dr. Maté worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. Gabor is also the creator of a psychotherapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by thousands of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others in over 80 countries.
Topics
00:00 – Introduction and Welcome
01:28 – Background on the Conversation
02:10 – Angela Davis and Gabor Mate: Biographies
03:01 – Current Situation in Gaza and the West Bank
04:04 – Global Resistance and Solidarity
04:37 – Personal Reflections and Historical Context
05:42 – The Moral Litmus Test of Palestine
22:09 – The Role of Violence in Liberation Struggles
27:36 – The Impact of Incarceration
31:35 – Unity and Emotional Connection
42:17 – Reflections on Activism and Change
48:55 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Episode artwork: Wadsworth Jarrell, “Revolutionary” (1972)
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Federico Faggin is one of the greatest luminaries of high technology alive today. A physicist by education, he is the inventor of the microprocessor and the MOS silicon gate technology, both of which underlie the modern world's entire information technology. With the knowledge and experience of a lifetime in cutting-edge fields, Federico now turns his attention to consciousness and the nature of reality, sharing with us his profound insights on the classical and quantum worlds, artificial intelligence, life and the human mind. In “Irreducible: Consciousness, Life, Computers, and Human Nature" Federico's new book, discussed on Sounds of Sand, he elaborates on an monistic model of reality, produced after years of careful thought and direct experience, according to which nature's most fundamental level is that of consciousness as a quantum phenomenon, while the classical physical world consists merely of evocative symbols of a deeper reality.
FedericoFaggin.com
Irreducible: Consciousness, Life, Computers, and Human Nature
Additional production support: Robert Neville
Topics:
00:00 – Introduction and Importance of Exploring Consciousness and Reality
04:23 – Federico's Awakening Experience
15:29 – The Italian Verbs 'Conoscere' and 'Sapere'
20:28 – Federico's Theory: Unifying Science and Spirituality
30:08 – The Relationship Between Quantum Fields and Individuals
38:18 – Interiority and Exteriority of Consciousness
40:31 – AI
46:30 – More than Human Consciousness
51:54 – States of Consciousness
54:22 – Closing Thoughts
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Monica Gagliano is a research associate professor in evolutionary ecology and former fellow of the Australian Research Council. She is currently based at Southern Cross University, where she directs the Biological Intelligence Lab funded by the Templeton World Charity Foundation. She has pioneered the brand-new research field of plant bioacoustics, for the first time experimentally demonstrating that plants emit their own “voices” and detect and respond to the sounds of their environments. Her work has extended the concept of cognition (including perception, learning processes, memory) in plants. Her latest book is Thus Spoke the Plant (North Atlantic Books, 2018).
monicagagliano.com
Aware: Glimpses of Consciousness
“Can Plants Talk?” in The New York Times
In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
You can watch this full conversation and 22 others. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people.
In this powerful interfaith gathering, renowned spiritual leaders from Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist traditions came together to express their solidarity with the Palestinian people's struggle for freedom, equality, and human dignity.
These esteemed visionaries modeled the powerful unity that can blossom when we recognize our shared humanity and inherent dignity. Their clarion call for peace with justice in Palestine stands as an inspiration for us all to embody the highest ethical and moral principles of our diverse spiritual traditions.
Guests:
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, one of the first women to become a rabbi in Jewish history, is a pioneer Jewish feminist, human rights activist, writer, visual artist, ceremonialist, community educator and master storyteller. Lynn has been a congregational rabbi since the fall of 1973, and founded the Congregation Nahalat Shalom in Albuquerque, NM, in 1980. She engages in multifaith, intergenerational and multicultural organizing in solidarity with racial, indigenous, gender justice and Palestinian liberation struggles. Currently, Lynn sits on the Rabbinic Council of Jewish Voice for Peace and is board chair of Interfaith Movement for Human Integrity. Rabbi Lynn is the author of several books, including Peace Primer II, She Who Dwells Within: A Feminist Vision of Renewed Judaism, World Beyond Borders Passover Haggadah and Trail Guide to the Torah of Nonviolence. Rabbi Lynn is a Shomeret Shalom, a practitioner of the Torah of nonviolence.
Geshe Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, founder of Ligmincha International, is a rare master of the Bön Dzogchen tradition in the West. After completing an 11-year course at Menri Monastery in India, where he earned his Geshe degree, he established Ligmincha in 1992 to preserve and introduce Tibetan Bön Buddhist teachings to the West. Fluent in English, Rinpoche is beloved for his clear, insightful teaching style that makes Tibetan practices accessible. He's highly respected across the U.S., Mexico, Europe, and Asia, with centers in the Americas, Europe, and India. Author of 10 books, including "Wonders of the Natural Mind" and "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep," Rinpoche shares the profound wisdom of Bön Dzogchen.
Rev. Deborah Lee, Executive Director of the Interfaith Movement for Human Integrity since 2018, brings over 30 years of experience in faith-based social justice. Her expertise spans popular education, community organizing, and advocacy, focusing on issues like race, gender, economic justice, LGBTQ inclusion, and immigrant rights. Under her leadership, the organization has doubled in size and impact. They've closed detention centers, prevented deportations, supported immigrant youth, and established Sanctuary congregations. Notably, they're working to divest from carceral systems and invest in thriving communities. Rev. Lee envisions a world without harm, where every person is considered sacred across bars and borders.
Pir Zia Inayat Khan, Ph.D., is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He is author of Immortality: A Traveler’s Guide; Dream Flowers: The Collected Works of Noor Inayat Khan; Mingled Waters: Sufism and the Mystical Unity of Religions; and Saracen Chivalry: Counsels on Valor, Generosity and the Mystical Quest. He is editor of Caravan of Souls: An Introduction to the Sufi Path of Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.
Topics:
00:00 - Intro
06:00 - Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb
09:10 - Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
12:34 - Rev. Deborah Lee
16:00 - Pir Zia Inayat Khan
18:36 - Hope in Dark Times
32:51 - WW2 Perspective
37:48 - Opening Up
47:02 - Silence in Spiritual Communities
Resources:
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb's website
Rabbi Lynn's collected writings
Rev. Deborah Lee: Interfaith Gaza Ceasefire Pilgrimage
Interfaith Banner-raising for ceasefire: Have your congregation/synagogue/mosque/temple hang a permanent “ceasefire now” banner.
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In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) between Ashira Darwish & V as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
https://whereolivetreesweep.com/
You can watch this full conversation and 22 others. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people.
Purchase the Collection
In this conversation, prepare to be moved and inspired by the stories of Palestinian women's sumud (steadfast perseverance) against the violence of occupation, patriarchy and dehumanization. Their narratives expose how colonial occupation is a gender-based crime inextricable from the repression of female self-determination. This conversation promises to be a tribute to the unbreakable spirit of Palestinian mothers who nurture profound love, clandestine schoolhouses, and revolutionary consciousness — even when all they have is the sanctity of their wombs.Ashira Ali Darwish worked for 15 years as a TV & Radio journalist and researcher in Palestine for the BBC, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. She is the founder of Catharsis Holistic Healing, a trauma therapy project pioneering a type of Sufi active meditation which draws its roots from ancestral and Indigenous knowledge. Her personal healing journey from full body paralysis with a severed spinal cord in 2012 has given her a deep insight into the process of recovery and healing. In 2021, she received the “ISABS Honours” from the Indian Society for Applied Behavioural Science for her contribution to positive societal transformation.V (formerly Eve Ensler) is the Tony Award-winning playwright, activist, performer, and author of the Obie award-winning theatrical phenomenon The Vagina Monologues, published in over 48 languages, performed in over 140 countries, and heralded by The New York Times as one of the “best American plays” of the past 25 years and that “no recent hour of theater has had a greater impact worldwide.”
Topics:
00:00 - Introduction
04:53 - Ashira’s Story
11:42 - In an Israeli Dungeon
19:44 - Bodily Harm & Oppression
26:01 - Stigma for Palestinian Women
32:00 - Impact of Occupation on Masculinity
34:18 - Can the Trauma Be Healed?
40:40 - Onus of Resilience
47:43 - Healing in Community
53:20 - The Power of Music
58:34 - Vision for New Palestine
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In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) between Dr. Gabor Maté and Tara Brach as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.
You can watch this full conversation and 22 others. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people.
Purchase Conversations on Palestine
In this conversation, Gabor Maté and Buddhist teacher Tara Brach explored the harrowing situation in Gaza through the Bodhisattva path. They discussed the meaning of spirituality in the face of injustice and suffering, questioning the silence of many spiritual leaders regarding the Gaza crisis. Drawing from the Bodhisattva commitment to alleviate all beings’ suffering, they emphasized the importance of compassion, solidarity, and engaged spirituality in addressing the oppression and trauma faced by the Palestinian people. Their conversation served as an invitation to reassess our spiritual practices and embody the Bodhisattva spirit today, encouraging active solidarity with the suffering.
We appologize for any audio distortions from this conversation. This episode was recorded live on Zoom with some bad connection sounds throughout.
Gabor Maté, M.D. is a specialist on trauma, addiction, stress and childhood development. After 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience, Dr. Maté worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. Gabor is also the creator of a psychotherapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by thousands of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others in over 80 countries.
Tara Brach is a meditation teacher, psychologist and author of several books including international bestselling Radical Acceptance, Radical Compassion and Trusting the Gold. Her teaching blends Western psychology and Eastern spiritual practices, mindful attention to our inner life, and a full, compassionate engagement with our world. Tara is the founder of the Insight Meditation Community of Washington and, together with Jack Kornfield, has co-founded Banyan and the Mindfulness Meditation Teacher Training Program, which serves participants from 74 countries around the world.
Resources from the Episode
The Noble Eightfold Path: Way to the End of Suffering by Bhikkhu Bodhi
“What is Love Asking from Us: Reflections on Gaza, the West Bank and Israel” (Dec, 2023) by Tara Brach
Topics
00:00 - Introduction
02:50 - Tara’s History with Israel
06:26 - The Jewish Buddhist Connection
07:10 - Silence on Palestine
15:42 - Truth and Boddhisvata Path
17:38 - History of Buddhism and Social Justice
25:10 - What Does Love Demand at this Time?
33:18 - Deepening Our History Understanding
40:59 - Noble Eight Fold Path
49:17 - Jewish Critique of Zionism
50:26 - Grief
52:38 - Closing Thoughts
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Dr. Rupa Marya discusses her work at the intersection of medicine, health, land, and justice. She explains the concept of deep medicine, which looks at the health impacts of colonialism and colonial capitalism and emphasizes the need to address the root causes of illness.Dr. Rupa Marya is a physician, activist, writer, and composer at UC, San Francisco. Her work intersects climate, health, and racial justice. As founder of the Deep Medicine Circle and co-founder of the Do No Harm Coalition, she's committed to healing colonialism's wounds and addressing disease through structural change. Recognized with the Women Leaders in Medicine Award, Dr. Marya was a reviewer for the AMA's plan to embed racial justice. Governor Newsom appointed her to the Healthy California for All Commission to advance universal healthcare. Also a musician, she's toured 29 countries with her band, creating what Gil Scott-Heron called "Liberation Music”. Together with Raj Patel, she co-authored the international bestseller, Inflamed: Deep Medicine and the Anatomy of Injustice.
Links and Resources:
RupaMarya.org
Deep Medicine Circle
Inflamed: Deep Medicine and the Anatomy of Injustice by Raj Patel & Rupa Marya
“Discourse on Colonialism” by Aimé Césaire
“The Deep Medicine of Rehumanizing Palestinians” by Dr. Rupa Marya & Ghassan Abu-Sitta
Where Olive Trees Weep (film)
Where Olive Trees Weep - Conversations on Palestine
“Work for Peace” by GIl Scott Heron
Topics:
00:00 - Introduction
02:01 - Meeting Dr. Marya
06:31 - Shallow vs Deep Medicine
11:58 - Balancing Deep Medicine and Immediate Health Crises
15:28 - Essential & Integrative of Medicine
19:48 - Media Narratives Around Health
25:32 - Colonialism & Healthcare
30:51 - Dehumanization
36:16 - The Power Mind Virus
40:19 - Imagining What’s Possible
44:16 - Narratives Supporting Genocide
50:46 - Heaviness, Hopefulness & Listening
53:37 - Protest Music in the Era of Big Media
56:01 - Closing
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Muslim Spirituality Illuminating the Path to Freedom: An exploration of how the spiritual heart of the Islamic tradition can inspire and fuel contemporary struggles for liberation, justice and humanity.
Through their unique lens, this panel of visionaries modeled how spiritual life is not an escape from systemic injustice, but a revolutionary process which strengthens our collective capacity to transform unjust realities. They discuss Islam’s deepest essence and the spiritual fortitude to remain anchored in the commitment to truth, beauty and universal human flourishing.
Today’s episode is a live talk as part of the World People’s Premiere of 21 days of conversations on Palestine with the release of the film Where Olive Trees Weep by SAND. Today’s talk is entitled Dancing in the Fire: Muslim Spirituality Illuminating the Path to Freedom with Farah El-Sharif, Ayesha Kajee, Seemi Bushra Ghazi and hosted by Daniel Foor.
This talk is part of a package of talks that includes the 21 days of conversation with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets, artists, and more, plus extended interviews from the film, a live Q&A with Dr. Gabor Maté and Ashira Darwish from a live screening in Oakland, CA, a film discussion guide, and six community conversations on Palestine.
To find out more about purchasing this package and supporting the mission of SAND and the film, visit WhereOliveTreesWeep.com.
Dr. Farah El-Sharif is a writer, educator and research scholar. She received her PhD from Harvard University where she specialized in West African intellectual Islamic history. She earned degrees from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, CA and Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service and served as Associate Director of the Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies at Stanford University, where she is currently a Visiting Scholar. Her writings have appeared in CNN, Newlines, and Muftah. Read more of her work on her Substack sermonsatcourt@substack.com
Ayesha Kajee is a human rights and governance consultant based in Johannesburg, Ayesha Kajee has conducted research across much of sub-Saharan Africa, and has observed elections and peace processes in several countries. Her published research and opinion-analyses appear in various academic and news media, and she is often called upon by media houses for comment on topical issues. She was previously the founding director of the International Human Rights Exchange program at Wits University in Johannesburg, where she also lectured in Politics and International Relations. Ayesha briefly directed South Africa’s Freedom of Expression Institute before leaving full-time work to care for an invalid parent. She now works on a freelance basis. Her focus areas include transitional justice, media and media rights, African political economy, gender justice, migration and environmental rights.
Seemi Bushra Ghazi is lecturer in Classical Arabic at the University of British Columbia, specializes in Islamic literature, culture, and spirituality. A student in the Rifai Marufi lineage, she performs traditional Islamic arts, including Qur'anic recitation featured on BBC, CBC, NPR, and PBS. Her work appears in "Approaching Islam: the Early Revelations" and "A New Encyclopedia of Islam." Born in London and of South Asian origin, Ghazi studied at prestigious institutions in the U.S. and Middle East. Deeply involved in interfaith work, she hosts a monthly Unity Dhikr in Vancouver and is a founding board member of the Rumi Society and Vancouver Interspiritual Centre Society. Her expertise spans Islam, gender, and cross-cultural understanding
Daniel Foor is a doctor of psychology, experienced ritualist, and the author of Ancestral Medicine: Rituals for Personal and Family Healing. He is a practicing Muslim and initiate in the Òrìṣà tradition of Yoruba-speaking West Africa who has also learned from Mahayan Buddhism and the older ways of his English and German ancestors. Daniel was a U.S. Fulbright scholar in Cairo, Egypt as a student of Arabic language, and he is passionate about generational healing and training leaders and change makers in the intersections of cultural healing, animist ethics, and applied ritual arts. He lives with his wife and daughters near his adoptive home of Granada, Spain in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
www.ancestralmedicine.org
Sumud: https://muftah.org/2024/05/16/sumud-as-a-key/
Topics:
0:00 - Introduction
01:27 - Daniel Foor's Introduction
07:27 - Farah El-Sharif
21:17 - Ayesha Kajee
33:51 - Seemi Bushra Ghazi
47:45 - Closing Statements
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Hadar Cohen shares her deep connection to her Middle Eastern Jewish ancestry and the intertwining of mysticism and activism in her work. She discusses the complexity of her Arab Jewish identity and the impact of colonialism on the narrative of Arab Jews. Hadar also delves into the weaponization of trauma and the need for a multi-religious, secular society in a free Palestine. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including the concept of Zionism, the intersection of science and spirituality and her Jewish Mysticism School.
Hadar Cohen is an Arab Jewish scholar, mystic and artist whose work focuses on multi-religious spirituality, politics, social issues, and community building. She is the founder of Malchut, a spiritual skill-building school teaching Jewish mysticism and direct experience of God. She teaches and consults in a variety of settings and formats, from one-on-one coaching to online group classes and in-person retreats. Her podcast, Hadar’s Web, features community conversations on spirituality, healing, justice, and art. Hadar is a 10th-generation Jerusalemite with lineage roots also in Syria, Kurdistan, Iraq and Iran. Subscribe to her Substack for access to her latest writings, offerings, and media appearances. hadarcohen.me or malchut.one. // @hadarcohen32
Topics:
00:00 - Introduction
02:52 - Ancestral Lineage
10:04 - Arab Judaism
17:42 - Colonialism and Spiritual Division
21:15 - Zionist, Trauma, and the Empire Mind Virus
30:01 - Vision for a Secular Multi-religious Palestine
33:49 - Science and Spiritually in Arab Culture
40:28 - Modernity and Religion
49:51 - Malchut Mysticism school
55:37 - Upcoming Retreats
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Today, June 6, 2024, we’re celebrating the release of SAND’s new film Where Olive Trees Weep. And to celebrate the launch of the film, we welcome you to Donate and Watch the film by visiting WhereOliveTreesWeep.com.
Donating to watch the film will also enroll you in a 21-day online event called “The World People’s Premiere” which happening online from June 6-27 with conversations, music, poetry, and . And you can donate to watch the film and sign up to watch all the conversations with speakers such as, Ashira Darwish (star of the film), Dr. Gabor Maté, Angela Davis, V, Daniel Foor, Dareer Tatour, Ilan Pappé, Michael McBride, Mona Haydar, Norman Finkelstein, Pir Zia Inyat Khan, Neta Golan, Tara Brach, and directors of the film, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. Whom we also interview on episode #86 if you want to hear more of the story and vision on the film.
The film gives background to the current crisis in Israel/Palestine and brings to light the lives of people we met on our 2022 journey in the occupied West Bank. Their universally human stories speak of intergenerational pain, trauma and resilience. We hope they touch your heart, stir compassion and understanding, and give rise to a pursuit for justice. For without justice, peace remains an empty slogan.
Cinema can be a powerful force for change. Our aim is, beyond mere education, to truly move hearts and minds and inspire audiences to echo the calls for freedom, equality and dignity that have gone unanswered for far too long.
The film is our modest contribution towards our dream for an end to the occupation in Palestine, the attainment of equal rights and fair treatment for Palestinian people, and the spreading of healing for all intergenerational cycles of trauma in the region.
https://whereolivetreesweep.com/
A recording of excerpts from a live SAND Community Gathering hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo from Apr 20, 2024.
Storyteller Haneen Sabbah, a Palestinian Falahi woman and mother from Gaza, guided us through an experience of the vibrant and thriving place Gaza once was, before it became a pile of rubble. She transports us to the rich history and culture of this region through her enchanting drumbeats, meditations, and songs.
In this episode, we explore the connections woven into the very name "Gaza" غزة, unveil layers of history, traditions, and symbolism that this ancient land carries, discover the deep ties between land and people, and are reminded of the resilience that has sustained them through decades of challenges.
We share a vision of a once-again thriving and free Gaza.
Haneen Sabbah, a Palestinian Falahi woman now based in southern Portugal, is a writer at We Are Not Numbers and Global Voices, and an organizer, singer and storyteller at heart. She also teaches Arabic online to Israeli Activists and Jews who want to connect to their Arabic roots.Having left Gaza in 2018, she moved to a community where she learned peace work and non-violent communication, which helped her advocate for nonviolent resistance with the Palestinian people. Shining a light on Palestinian culture with songs, food and stories, she is part of a dream circle of Palestinian and Israeli women who work toward supporting peace and the protection of life. Believing in the importance of inner healing for collective liberation, she leads a guided movement meditative practice. Her work is rooted in love.
Topics
0:00 - Introduction
04:30 - The Place of Gaza
18:50 - Stories from Gaza's Past
29:50 - "Halalaya" A Song from Haneen
34:50 - A Story of Haneen's Friends in Gaza
41:28 - Life in Diaspora
45:24 - Ways to Support Gaza
48:51 - Final Poem from Haneen
Visit WhereOliveTreesWeep.com for more information about SAND’s new film on Palestine
Also mentioned in this episode is SAND’s Fundraise to help relocate a family from the genocide in Gaza. https://givebutter.com/THzYSN
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Thank you so much for this Podcast. Lynn and Alnoor are such intelligent beings. Their view is broad and deep. This whole conversation leaves me saying to myself: 'Think, before I take a step forward, backwards, left or right or make an action or even do good.' From what standpoint am I acting? living? helping? doing good? Where is my ego in anything I do? How is my way of thinking, being, perpetuating separatism, division, inequality and destruction. Peace to you all Anne McKeon Co. Tipperary. ,