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The Other Autism explores late-diagnosed autism and the latest in autism research, and works to dispel myths and stereotypes about autism and autistic people. Episodes cover leading topics in the neurodiversity space and feature interviews with late-diagnosed autistic folks and autistic professionals. Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes are written and edited by Kristen Hovet. Contact: kristen.hovet@gmail.com

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Autistic burnout is very different from the work-related burnout that non-autistics experience. In this episode, I cover the official definition of autistic burnout, how autistic burnout differs from non-autistic burnout, the latest research on this topic, how burnout relates to shutdown and social hangover, and more. I also discuss my own experiences with burnout and some strategies for avoiding it.Watch this episode on YouTube. If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out:"Risk Markers for Suicidality in Autistic Adults" by Sarah Cassidy et al."Autistic Burnout Explained" by Sarah Deweerdt"Defining Autistic Burnout Through Experts by Lived Experience: Grounded Delphi Method Investigating Autistic Burnout" by Julianne M. Higgins et al."'Having All of Your Internal Resources Exhausted Beyond Measure and Being Left With No Clean-Up Crew': Defining Autistic Burnout" by Dora M. Raymaker et al.Episode outro music: "This Time Around" by oomiee  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Dr. Kim Sage is a licensed clinical psychologist in southern California. Dr. Sage joins me to discuss her discovery that she may be autistic, the problem of autism underdiagnosis, and the close connection between autism and personality disorders (especially narcissistic personality disorder) within families.Dr. Sage also talks about her early autistic traits, friendship challenges, autistic traits' impacts on romantic relationships, and more. Watch this episode on YouTube.Check out Dr. Sage's website: Dr. Kim SageAnd her social media:TikTokYouTubeEpisode outro music: "I Am Falling For You (Instrumental)" by Loving Caliber  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Feeling like a fraud or a fake autistic is so common in those who are diagnosed as autistic in adulthood. In this episode, I talk about impostor syndrome and how it relates to autistic impostor syndrome. I also talk about the impact of impostor syndrome and some strategies for coping with it. Be sure to stick around right to the end. Toby is super chatty. And so is Google... It gets weird.Watch this episode on YouTube.If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out:"Prevalence, Predictors, and Treatment of Impostor Syndrome: A Systematic Review" by Dena M. Bravata et al.The Impostor Phenomenon: Overcoming the Fear That Haunts Your Success by Pauline Rose Clance"Introducing Autistic Impostor Syndrome" by Natalie Engelbrecht"Feel Like a Fraud?" by Kirsten WeirEpisode outro music: "Spaceman in K-Town" by Kristen Hovet  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Are you ready to navigate the intricate maze of adult autism diagnosis? I dedicate this episode to offering tips and advice to help you determine whether autism assessment is right for you, suggestions on how to find a psychologist who conducts adult autism assessments, and brief strategies on securing financial support if you can't afford the exorbitant assessment fees.This episode is designed to be a supportive companion on your quest for answers.If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out:Dr. David Worling's websiteEpisode outro music: "Overshare" by dreem Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Courtney Benner, a neurodivergent occupational therapist based in Utah, shares how occupational therapy can help autistic adults. She also talks about her neurodivergent identities and the ways these help her relate to her clients.Courtney shares the lead-up to her diagnoses and how much of an impact they had on her life. Additionally, she shares some very interesting statistics about autistic sleep patterns, explains the zones of regulation and how these can be used or adapted for adults with alexithymia, talks about the hurdles to becoming an autism assessor, and more.If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out:Check out "10 Surprising Ways OT Can Help Adults With Autism and ADHD" by Courtney Benner"Take the ACE [Adverse Childhood Experiences] Quiz" via NPREpisode outro music: "Stream This" by Smartface Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Melissa Elaine, a music industry professional in California, shares the lead-up to getting an autism diagnosis just this past January and what life has been like ever since.Melissa shares how past therapists chalked up her challenges to trauma and C-PTSD, dismissing her and her family's well-informed suspicions that she may be autistic. She also shares her experiences of going nonverbal, her main autistic attributes as a child, and what aspects of life have changed since her late-autism assessment and identification. Connect with Melissa on LinkedIn.If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out:"Females and Autism/Aspergers: A Checklist" by Samantha CraftUnmasking Autism: Discovering the New Faces of Neurodiversity by Devon PriceSo You Think You're Autistic: A Workbook for the Confused Person Who's Trying to Figure Things Out by Samantha SteinEpisode outro music: "Hidden Lines" by Ooyy Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Let's delve into an under-discussed topic — the intersection of autism and non-monogamy. I talk about the differences between polyamory and open relationships, and challenge the stereotype that autistic individuals are incapable of or uninterested in sexual relationships. Drawing from research and personal experiences, I discuss why autistic individuals are more inclined towards non-monogamous relationships.If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out:"Neurodiversity and Relationship Variation: Why Some With Autism or ADHD Are Drawn to Consensual Nonmonogamy and/or BDSM" by Elisabeth A. Sheff"Polyamory vs. an Open Relationship: What's the Difference?" by Emma Singer"An Exploration of Why Autistic Adults Are Practicing Consensual Non-Monogamy" by Janet Walsh and Mark Stokes"I'm Autistic and Polyamorous. Here's Why It Works for Me" by Leanne YauThe Letters of Abelard and Heloise translated by Betty RadiceEpisode outro music: "Go to Hell" by Mindme  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
In the final episode of season two of The Other Autism podcast, I explore the concept of masking. We've talked about it a lot this season, but now I'd like to do a deeper dive.Topics discussed also include:The definition of maskingWhy autistic people maskWhat it means to unmaskWhen masking can be a good thingIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Camouflage and Masking Behavior in Adult Autism" by Javad Alaghband-rad et al."Looking Good but Feeling Bad: 'Camouflaging' Behaviors and Mental Health in Women With Autistic Traits" by Jonathan Beck et al."Conceptualising Autistic Masking, Camouflaging, and Neurotypical Privilege: Towards a Minority Group Model of Neurodiversity" by Elizabeth RadulskiEpisode intro and outro music: "Calliope's Cry" by Kristen Hovet Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Cat is an Australia-based, late-identified autistic individual who suddenly lost the ability to mask following the death of her baby.Kristen and Cat discuss being autistic while undergoing fertility treatments, trauma in midlife, out-of-order loss and bereavement, polyvagal theory, the ways life crises often precede late identification of autism, and more.Correction: Cat said "microwave" when she meant to say "oven", in reference to her grandmother. If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: Strong Female Character by Fern Brady"Intracytoplasmic Sperm Injection (ICSI)" —Cleveland ClinicThe Book of Woe: The DSM and the Unmaking of Psychiatry by Gary Greenberg"In Vitro Fertilization (IVF)" —Mayo Clinic"The Polyvagal Theory: New Insights Into Adaptive Reactions of the Autonomic Nervous System" by Stephen W. PorgesEpisode intro and outro music: "Adamant" by Christoffer Moe Ditlevsen, Anna Dager, and Hanna Ekström  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Jennifer Dodd is a Portland-based therapist and owner of the Embodied Life Therapy Center. Jennifer is a late-diagnosed autistic individual who has also been diagnosed with the inattentive type of ADHD. Kristen and Jennifer discuss the ways that ADHD and autism compete with and complement each other, neurodivergent loathing of CBT (sorry, not sorry, CBT!), best types of therapy for autistic folks, the autistic penchant for bottom-up thinking, the times when "mindful masking" just makes sense, and more.Check out Jennifer's website: Embodied Life Therapy CenterAnd her Instagram accounts:Jennifer DoddEmbodied Life Therapy CenterEpisode intro and outro music: "Lost in the Dark" by Aiyo  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Kim Gallo is the author of the new book, The Pivot: For Parents and Educators – Looking at Autism and ADHD Through a Different Lens. She is a speech language pathologist in south Florida and has experience as a former applied behaviour analysis (ABA) practitioner.Kristen and Kim discuss Kim's changing views on ABA (thanks in large part to TikTok!), the changing landscape of what it means to be autistic in today's world, stigma experienced by autistic individuals, masking and its impact on identity and sense of self, Kim's perspectives on having a neurodivergent young adult daughter, and more.Check out Kim's website: Kim Gallo SLP: Sensory Smart & Neurodiversity FriendlyBuy The Pivot: For Parents and Educators — Looking at Autism and ADHD Through a Different Lens by Kim GalloIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Individual Differences, ADHD, Adult Pathological Demand Avoidance, and Delinquency" by Vincent Egan et al. "After Your Child's Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder: A Quick Start Guide for Ages 6-12" —Government of British Columbia [showing prominence of ABA in British Columbia, Canada]"Pathological Demand Avoidance: What and Who Are Being Pathologised and in Whose Interests?" by Allison MooreWhy Johnny Doesn't Flap: NT Is OK! by Clay Morton and Gail Morton"Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA)" —National Autistic SocietyEpisode intro and outro music: "I See You" by Hampus Naeselius Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
The number one question I receive from listeners is some version of, "I was just diagnosed as autistic. Now what?" What are some common experiences that people have after autism diagnosis in adulthood? Late autism diagnosis is often defined as diagnosis received after one's 18th birthday. Topics discussed also include:Positive and negative thoughts and emotions following late autism diagnosisMy experiences following my own autism diagnosis in my 30sRecent research documenting women's experiences of increased self-compassion following autism diagnosis in adulthoodMy suggestions for the time following your autism diagnosisIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Autism Diagnosis in the United Kingdom: Perspectives of Autistic Adults, Parents and Professionals" by Laura Crane et al."Exploring the Experience of Seeking an Autism Diagnosis as an Adult" by Matthew de Broize et al."'Anything But the Phone!': Communication Mode Preferences in the Autism Community" by Philippa Howard and Felicity Sedgewick"Autistic women’s experiences of self-compassion after receiving their diagnosis in adulthood" by Rosemarie Wilson et al.Episode intro and outro music: "Time's Passing" by BLUE STEEL, Cushy, and Damma Beatz  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Heath Wilder is the Director of Customer Experience at the Sydney Theatre Company in Sydney, Australia, and they were one of the first listeners of The Other Autism podcast — maybe even the first! Listen as Kristen and Heath aggressively abstain from small talk and dive right in to gender, autigender (aka gendervague), the female autism phenotype or presentation, the double empathy problem, alexithymia, masking, meltdowns, shutdowns, and more. Check out Heath's website: Heath Wilder — a journey in the performing artsEpisode intro and outro music: "You Set My World On Fire" by Loving Caliber Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
You've probably heard about the rising rates of both autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in adults. Is there any truth to all the talk about an overlap between the two? You can probably tell by the title that, yes, there is! Topics discussed also include:The three presentations or subtypes of ADHDDifferences between ADHD in kids versus ADHD in adultsSome of the main differences and similarities between "ADHDers" and autistic folksWhy some experts think that ADHD is a form of autismIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Heritability of Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in Adults" by Isabell Brikell et al."Overlap Between Autism Spectrum Disorders and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder: Searching for Distinctive/Common Clinical Features" by Francesco Craig et al."The Impact of the Comorbidity of ASD and ADHD on Social Impairment" by Christina Harkins et al."Co-occurrence of ASD and ADHD Traits in an Adult Population" by Maria Panagiotidi et al."Trait-Based Dimensions Discriminating Adults With Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD), and Co-occurring ADHD/ASD" by Artemios Pehlivanidis et al.Episode intro and outro music: "Sigma" by Crystal Shards Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Recent research indicates that many autistic people might have co-occurring substance use disorder. Let's talk about what this entails and reasons for autistic folks turning to substances in the first place. Topics discussed also include:Substance use disorder according to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)How those with ADHD + autism may be at an even greater risk for developing substance use disorder (SUD)The problem with current SUD treatment optionsOther risk factors unique to autistic individuals that put them at greater risk for developing substance misuse and/or substance use disorderIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Autism and Co-occurring Substance Use" by Espen Ajo Arnevik and Sissel Berge Helverschou"Systematic Review of Risk and Protective Factors Associated With Substance Use and Abuse in Individuals With Autism" by Madelaine Ressel et al.Episode intro and outro music: "What Goes Around Comes Back Around" by NIGHTCAP Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Hear Nicola Rowan-Brooks's story about being diagnosed by Sarah Hendrickx at the age of 55. Nicola shares the impact of her autism diagnosis and what life was like growing up undiagnosed in the UK.Nicola runs an online business restoring teddy bears. Her website is called Ambrosia Bears.If you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Girls and Women and Autism: What's the Difference?" [YouTube video] by Sarah HendrickxEpisode intro and outro music: "Relacrux" by CRUXORIUM (no changes or modifications were made) Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Ciara Harte is a neurodivergent counsellor based in Victoria, British Columbia. In this episode, Kristen and Ciara chat about Ciara's critical discourse analysis of ABA. Ciara has firsthand experience working with applied behaviour analysis principles and practices, and was heavily involved in ABA for a few years. Topics discussed also include:A brief history of ABAThe interactional and discursive view of violence and resistance + response-based practiceThe problem of informed consent and ABAThe ways autistic children enact resistance during applied behaviour analysisIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Reframing Compliance: Exposing Violence Within Applied Behaviour Analysis" by Ciara HarteCheck out Ciara's website: Ciara Harte Counselling"Autistic Experiences of Applied Behaviour Analysis" by Laura Anderson"Quiet Hands" by Julia BascomHandbook of Applied Behavior Analysis: History, Philosophy, Principles, and Basic Methods by Wayne W. Fisher et al."The Line Between Intervention and Abuse: Autism and Applied Behaviour Analysis" by Patrick Kirkham"Evidence of Increased PTSD Symptoms in Autistics Exposed to Applied Behavior Analysis" by Henny Kupferstein"Invisible Abuse: ABA and the Things Only Autistic People Can See" by C. L. Lynch"I Am a Disillusioned BCBA: Autistics Are Right About ABA" by Jo Ram"Publication Bias in Studies of an Applied Behavior-Analytic Intervention: An Initial Analysis" by Elyssa Sham and Tristram SmithEpisode intro and outro music: "London 2 Catalan" by Independent Music Licensing Collective (IMLC) (no changes or modifications were made)  Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Hear Leslie's story about stumbling upon autism later in life, and the series of aha moments that ensued. Leslie previously worked in animation on feature films such as FernGully: The Last Rainforest, The Lion King, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pocahontas, and Space Jam. She is now a freelance graphic designer crafting bespoke graphics and brand development for rogues, disruptors, and obsessives in California.Topics discussed also include:Reasons why some people don't pursue formal autism diagnosisIntense empathy experienced by many on the spectrumResponses of loved ones to news of a potential autism diagnosisSome challenges with online autism screening testsIf you'd like to know more about this topic, check out:Leslie's reading list:Women and Girls With Autism Spectrum Disorder: Understanding Life Experiences From Early Childhood to Old Age by Sarah Hendrickx and Judith GouldOdd Girl Out: An Autistic Woman in a Neurotypical World by Laura JamesAutism in Heels: The Untold Story of a Female Life on the Spectrum by Jennifer Cook O'TooleOlder Autistic Adults: In Their Own Words — The Lost Generation by Wilma Wake, Eric Endlich, and Robert S. LagosIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: Autism Psychometric Tests —Embrace Autism website"Reasons Autism Self-Diagnosis is Valid" by Aly Laube"A Mixed Methods Study of Barriers to Formal Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder in Adults" by Laura Foran Lewis"Autism Identity and the 'Lost Generation': Structural Validation of the Autism Spectrum Identity Scale and Comparison of Diagnosed and Self-Diagnosed Adults on the Autism Spectrum" by T. A. M. McDonald"Biocertification and Neurodiversity: The Role and Implications of Self-Diagnosis in Autistic Communities" by Jennifer C. Sarrett"How is Psychological Wellbeing Experienced by Autistic Women? Challenges and Protective Factors: A Meta-Synthesis" by Natalie Yau et al.Episode intro and outro music: "Life Progression" by Shaolin Dub (no changes or modifications were made) Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
Have you ever heard that autistic people often have adverse or unexpected reactions (or total lack of response) to prescription and over-the-counter medications? Well, it could be genetics, pharmacogenetics, that is!Topics discussed also include:Ultra-rapid and very slow drug metabolizersHow medication sensitivity is not hypochondriaMast cell activation syndrome and medication fillersAutistic folks' reactions to psychotropic drugsIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Pharmacogenomics of Autism Spectrum Disorder" by Brown et al."Pharmacogenetic Influences on the Response to Pharmacological Treatment in Autism Spectrum Disorders" by Hervas et al."Get to Know an Enzyme: CYP2D6" by Horn and Hansten"What is Pharmacogenomics?" —National Institute of General Medical Sciences"The Medications Used to Treat Symptoms of Autism Spectrum Disorder" by Regan"Recognition and Management of Medication Excipient Reactivity in Patients With Mast Cell Activation Syndrome" by Schofield and AfrinEpisode intro and outro music: "Hachimantai Snow" by Maarten Schellekens (no changes or modifications were made) Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
What's the difference between the medical and social models of autism? And what gave rise to the social model of autism?Topics discussed also include:"Mad pride's" influence on the neurodiversity movementHow autism may have a similar fate as homosexualityThe neurodiversity movement's stance towards applied behaviour analysis (ABA)The new academic field of Critical Autism StudiesIf you'd like to know more about topics discussed in this episode, check out: "Neurodiversity: An Insider's Perspective" by Den Houting"Out of DSM: Depathologizing Homosexuality" by Drescher"Challenging Psychiatric Classification: Healthy Autistic Diversity and the Neurodiversity Movement" by Dyck and Russell"Understanding and Promoting the Human Rights of Autistic People" by Iyall-Smith"Autistic Self-Advocacy and the Neurodiversity Movement: Implications for Autism Early Intervention Research and Practice" by Leadbitter et al."Privileging Autistics of Color: A Human Rights Approach to Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) Therapy" by RubeyEpisode intro and outro music: "Bedroom Eyes" by Audiobinger (no changes or modifications were made) Theme music: "Everything Feels New" by Evgeny Bardyuzha. All episodes written and produced by Kristen Hovet.To submit a question to possibly be answered in a future episode, please email kristen.hovet@gmail.comBecome a patron on Patreon!Buy me a coffee!
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Doraine Raichart

I was hoping for more detail on how one is diagnosed with MCAS, what the criteria is, what some people's experiences are who live with the condition... does it have to be severe, or is there such a thing as "mild" MCAS? I don't want to be labeled a "diagnosis chaser/collector" but I also want to know when I need to self-advocate and push back against medical gaslighting when necessary. Even just recognizing when a provider is gaslighting a patient can be a challenge. *Note: people who are not autistic are termed allistic. Allistic people may be neurotypical, but not necessarily so. Allistics can instead be otherwise neurodivergent, just not autistic.

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