"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis

This 20-min episode comes from our friend Nathaniel Whittemore's excellent daily podcast The AI Breakdown Podcast. This episode aired on June 1, 2023, and covers the latest developments from OpenAI, including new features, a cybersecurity grant program, and their new process rewards model for trading. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics Subscribe to The AI Breakdown podcast: https://pod.link/1680633614 Subscribe to The AI Breakdown on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheAIBreakdown

In this episode, Nathan interviews Alex Watson, founder and CPO of Gretel AI, about the company's work in synthetic data. They discuss why we need synthetic data, Gretel’s new pre trained tabular LLM that creates synthetic data on a zero shot basis, privacy techniques to prevent LLM memorization, and more. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive ORACLE: With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at oracle.com/cognitive NETSUITE: NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. OMNEKY: Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @AlexWatson405 (Alex) @Gretel_AI @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Intro (00:03:02) - Origins of the company name Gretel AI and initial vision around enabling data sharing while protecting privacy (00:05:16) - Alex's background in data privacy and compliance from his previous startup Harvest AI, acquired by AWS (00:06:37) - Early experimentation with language models in 2020 (00:07:24) - Using synthetic data to create additional examples and improve detection of rare disease (00:12:50) - Why use synthetic data? (00:17:02) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:19:00) - Training models to recreate real-world data distributions and using validators to detect unrealistic outputs (00:21:30) - Generating tabular data row-by-row (00:24:40) - Pre-training the Gretel tabular LLM on diverse internet data sets (00:30:40) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:34:00) - Using an agent planning architecture (00:37:40) - Having the agent determine when to use code vs the LLM for different parts of the data (00:39:41) - Example use case of adapting models with synthetic data samples for long-tail cases (00:43:00) - Using reinforcement learning to intentionally generate more diverse and representative synthetic data (00:48:20) - The importance of alignment checks and controls while still providing model openness and flexibility (00:51:16) - The potential of efficient, lightweight models compared to massive LLMs like GPT-4 (00:56:00) - Analogizing model specialization to specialized parts of the brain  (01:06:04) - Using differential privacy techniques to prevent memorization and exposure of private data (01:14:37) - Adding noise during training to blur memorization (01:18:42) - Optimism that synthetic data quality issues reflect details not fully understood yet vs inherent problems

We're joined by John Hayes, CEO and Cofounder of Ghost, a self-driving car startup using multimodal LLMs to solve the autonomous driving problem, that OpenAI just invested $5 million into. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @ghosthayes (John) @GhostAutonomy @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00) - Introduction to John Hayes and Ghost Autonomy's partnership with OpenAI (00:04:30) - The journey to founding Ghost, and how multimodal LLMs will change self-driving cars (00:05:03) - John's background founding Pure Storage and moving into autonomy (00:09:37) - Classic autonomy stack built off DARPA Urban Challenge (00:13:24) - Overview of different self-driving technology stacks (Lidar vs cameras) (00:14:03) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:25:39) - Different approaches to how we know self-driving cars work well enough for public deployment (00:27:30) - Different gradations of autonomy in the self-driving industry (00:32:21) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Oracle (00:34:24) - Current state of robotaxis and China (00:37:39) - Uncanny valley in the robotaxi world (00:39:47) - Where Ghost fits into the autonomous driving landscape and their tech stack (00:50:51) - Affordable radar systems (00:51:54) - Ghost’s approach to interpretability (00:53:27) - Using LLMs for driving (00:54:59) - Partnership with OpenAI and how Ghost’s unique LLM solution to the self-driving problem (00:57:40) - GPS’ unreliability which can be solved by multimodal approach (01:02:31) - Hallucination is the best part of LLMs (01:04:09) - Using maps as extended memory and storage for driving data (01:09:20) - Ghost business model and the user experience (01:13:30) - Talking to our software as the next wave of human-computer interaction (01:16:37) - OpenAI as currently the only provider of advanced multimodal models (01:18:52) - How society feels about self-driving cars (01:24:17) - How self-driving cars should address fear and standing up for the technology (01:29:30) - AI: China and the US, and why China is being pushed towards self-driving (01:31:39) - Regulators in the US are responsive to consumers (01:32:26) - VC subsidization of self-driving (01:33:25) - John’s widest angle outlook on the AI revolution

We’re deep diving into OpenAI DevDay with Logan Kilpatrick, Dev Relations Lead at OpenAI. If you need an ERP platform, check out our sponsor NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive. SPONSORS: SHOPIFY: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL: @labenz (Nathan) @OfficialLoganK (Logan) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview (00:02:08) - How many startups did OpenAI kill? (00:05:50) - Current employee count at OpenAI (00:06:59) - OpenAI's mission being focused on developing safe AGI to benefit humanity (00:07:10) - How the GPT Store relates to AGI and progressing agent development (00:08:22) - OpenAI's strategy to release AI iteratively so society can adapt (00:10:50) - Safety considerations around the OpenAI Assistant release (00:11:30) - Capability overhangs and is the internet ready for agents? (00:14:13) - Why certain agent capabilities like planning aren't enabled yet by OpenAI (00:15:28) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:17:34) - GPT-4-1106 Preview designation (00:21:50) - 16k fine-tuning for 3.5 Turbo (00:25:13) - GPT-4 Finetuning and how to join the experiment (00:27:53) - Custom models: $2-3 million pricing to build a defensible business (00:29:48) - Bringing costs down to bring custom models to more people (00:30:19) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:33:53) - Copyright shield (00:35:42) - OpenAI doesn’t train on data you send to the API (00:36:37) - New modalities and low res GPT vision (00:37:26) - GPT Vision Assessment for Aesthetics (00:42:30) - WhisperLarge v3 (00:44:15) - Text-to-speech API: the voice strategy and AI safety (00:51:45) - Log probabilities coming soon (00:53:45) - The evolution of plugins to GPTs: the challenges with plugins (00:55:33) - GPT Instructions, expanded knowledge, and actions (01:00:18) - How is auth handled with GPTs (01:01:04) - Hybrid auth (01:02:50) - GPT Assistant API Billing (01:07:58) - AI Safety (01:10:28) - OpenAI Jailbreaks and Bug Bounties (01:11:57) - The OpenAI roadmap for a year from now The Cognitive Revolution is brought to you by the Turpentine Media network. Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu For inquiries about guests or sponsoring the podcast, please email vivian@turpentine.co

Trey Kollmer joins Nathan Labenz for a roundup of the latest AI research! They discuss Microsoft’s Self-Taught Optimizer (STOP) research and Google’s FreshLLMs, how H100 chips will supercharge development of programs with GPT-4 level compute, LLM representation of space and time, and more! If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics RECOMMENDED PODCAST:  Every week investor and writer of the popular newsletter The Diff, Byrne Hobart, and co-host Erik Torenberg discuss today’s major inflection points in technology, business, and markets – and help listeners build a diversified portfolio of trends and ideas for the future. Subscribe to “The Riff” with Byrne Hobart and Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/theriff TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) – Introduction (00:00:56) – Update to WGA Strike (00:03:00) – Trey Kollmer's background (00:06:00) – Scaling compute for AI training experiments with GPT-4 as reference point (00:09:00) – Inflection's plan to acquire 22,000 H100s to reach GPT-4 scale compute in 5 days (00:12:00) – Addressing knowledge cutoff in LLMs using search engines (00:15:00) – Inserting structured search results into prompts with metadata (00:16:07) – Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:00) – Comparing approach to Perplexity system (00:18:08) — Fresh LLMs (00:21:00) – Microsoft’s Self-taught Optimizer (STOP): Recursive self-improvement framework (00:24:00) – STOP framework works with GPT-4 but not GPT-3.5 (00:27:00) – STOP removed sandbox flag in some cases (00:30:00) – LLMs represent space and time with probe models (00:33:00) – Visualizations show emergence of spatial maps (00:33:14) — OpenAI rumours (00:36:00) – Techniques like linear probes and holdout studies (00:39:00) – DNNs extrapolate predictably by falling back to ignorance (00:42:00) – Testing different architectures, loss functions, distribution shifts (00:45:00) – Design systems to be conservative out of distribution (00:48:00) – Potential for recursive architecture search (00:50:21) — LLMs represent Space and Time (00:51:00) – Vision API enabling more capable web agents (00:54:00) – Discussion of research insights (00:57:00) – Thoughts on stochastic parrots debate (01:11:25) — Deep Neural Networks Tend to Extrapolate Predictably X/Social @labenz (Nathan) @treyko (Trey) @CogRev_Podcast

Nathan Labenz synthesizes recent research in mechanistic interpretability and AI safety, how top players in the space like Anthropic and OpenAI are addressing them, and jailbreaks like the Calvin and Hobbes one you may have seen online. Nathan's aim is to impart the equivalent of a high school AP course understanding to listeners in 90 minutes. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Questions or topics you want us to review for future episodes? Email TCR@turpentine.co SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics LINKS: Scouting Report Part 1 - Fundamentals : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hvtiVQ_LqQ Scouting Report Part 2 - Impact, Fallout, and Outlook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJi0UJ_DV3E Universal Jailbreaks with Zico Kolter, Andy Zou, Asher Trockman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwltbhR0JgU&feature=youtu.be TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (02:26) AI Engineer Survey (03:53) P(Doom) (00:07:52) Representation engineering (00:09:20) Using contrasting prompts to understand model’s inner representations (00:15:16) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:22:00) Controlling AI systems and detecting jailbreaks (00:28:53) LLM performance and refusal rates varying by language (00:33:13) Towards monosemanticity: decomposing language models with dictionary learning (00:54:12) Implications of the aforementioned paper

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Swyx of Latent Space to chat about AI engineers and tools to check out, competitive dynamics between OpenAI, other foundation model providers, and developers, and if Swyx would wear an AI Horcrux. We also learn that Nathan lived in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg back in his college days (and was a late adopter to Facebook…). f you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Subscribe to the show Substack to join future conversations and submit questions to upcoming guests! https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. LINKS: TCR Episode with HumanLoop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKKJrRWOU30 TCR Episode with Guardrails' Shreya Rajpal: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/videos/e28-keeping-the-ai-revolution-on-the-rails-with-shreya-rajpal-of-guardrails-ai/ AI Engineer Summit: https://www.ai.engineer/ Latent Space: https://www.latent.space/podcast X/SOCIAL: @swyx (Swyx) @labenz (Nathan) @aiDotEngineer (AI Engineer Summit) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:00:49) AI Nathan’s intro (00:03:14) What is an AI engineer? (00:05:56) What backgrounds do AI engineers typically have? (00:15:51) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:13) Swyx’s Discord AI project (00:20:41) Key tools for AI engineers (00:23:42) HumanLoop, Guardrails, Langchain (00:27:01) Criteria for identifying capable AI engineers when hiring (00:30:59) Skepticism around AI being a fad and doubts about contributing to AI (00:34:03) AI Engineer Conference speaker lineup (00:41:14) AI agents and two years to AGI (00:46:04) Expectations and disagreement around what AI agent capabilities will work soon (00:50:12) Swyx’s OpenAI thesis (00:53:03) AI safety considerations and the role of AI engineers (00:56:24) Disagreement on whether AI will soon be able to generate code pull requests (01:01:07) AI helping non-technical people to code (01:01:49) Multi-modal Chat-GPT and the future implications (01:03:33) Nathan living in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg (01:04:44) Competitive dynamics between OpenAI and other AI model developers (01:05:39) Play.ht vs ElevenLabs (01:09:20) The tension between platforms and developers building on top of them (01:11:40) The best thing startups can do to compete with foundation model providers (01:16:26) User identity/authentication services like Login with OpenAI (01:19:20) Google vs the other live players (01:20:46) AI Horcruxes / Pendants (01:22:05) The concept of an AI app bundle for consumers and developers

Zvi Mowshowitz, the writer behind Don't Worry About the Vase, returns to catch up with Nathan on everything OpenAI, Amazon-Anthropic collab, and Google Deepmind. They also discuss Perplexity, deepfakes, and software bundling vs the Roman Empire. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive Definitely also take a moment to subscribe to Zvi's blog Don't Worry About the Vase  (https://thezvi.wordpress.com/) - Zvi is an information hyperprocessor who synthesizes vast amounts of new and ever-evolving information into extremely clear summaries that help educated people keep up with the latest news.  SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X: @labenz (Nathan) @thezvi (Zvi) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast  TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 - Episode Preview (00:02:42) - Nathan's experience using Code Interpreter for a React app 00:06:09 - Zvi's perspective on Code Interpreter and other new Anthropic products (00:010:47) - Nathan's approach of "coding by analogy" using Code Interpreter (00:13:43) Speculation on capabilities of upcoming Google Gemini model (00:15:42) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:00 )- Performance degradation issues with large context windows (00:19:25) - Estimating the value of Anthropic products for individuals and enterprises (00:22:50) - The disconnect between Anthropic's value and what users are willing to pay (00:31:56) - Predicting Gemini's capabilities relative to GPT-4 00:30:13 - Rating Code Interpreter's capabilities 00:33:02 - Dealing with unintentional vs. adversarial information pollution (00:37:53) - Using Perplexity vs. Anthropic products for search (00:44:11) - Potential for a bundled subscription for multiple AI services (00:46:53) - Game industry bundling of services (00:47:39) - Challenges of getting competitors to agree to bundling (00:54:05) - Concerns over information pollution from synthetic content (00:56:36) - Filtering adversarial vs. unintentional bogus information (01:02:20) - Dangers of info pollution visible in Archive dataset (01:03:53) - Progress and challenges of audio deepfakes (01:11:15) - Kevin Fisher’s AI Souls demo with emotional voices (01:12:15) - Difficulty of detecting AI voices/images for a general audience (01:14:32) - Being optimistic about defending against deepfakes (01:21:12) - The reversal curse in language models (01:23:20) - Possible ways to address the reversal curse (01:46:12) - Implications of Amazon investing in Anthropic (01:49:20) - Non-standard terms likely affected the Anthropic valuation (01:51:13) - Survey of the AI Safety landscape The Cognitive Revolution is brought to you by the Turpentine Media network. Producer: Vivian Meng Executive Producers: Amelia Salyers, and Erik Torenberg Editor: Graham Bessellieu For inquiries about guests or sponsoring the podcast, please email vivian@turpentine.co

Nathan and Erik chat OpenAI GPT-3.5 fine tuning updates, using GPT 4 outputs to fine-tune 3.5, when to accelerate, and AI bundles. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics X/Social: @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @CogRev_podcast TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) - Intro and GPT-3.5 fine tuning update (05:50) - Using GPT-4 to generate training data for GPT-3.5  (09:54) - Potential for training models on synthetic/cleaned data  (10:24) - Using chain of thought prompts to improve model performance  (15:02) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (19:39) - Accelerating applications vs new AI models  (20:40) - What to accelerate vs what to slow down (26:07) - AI as a co-pilot vs fully automating tasks  (30:12) - When to delegate to AI (36:40)- Displacement of human roles by AI systems (40:39) - Does training on synthetic data solve a problem? (45:10) - The idea of an AI bundle/subscription  (50:28) - Bundling in other industries like cable and SaaS (54:27) - Churn and retention challenges for AI apps  (01:02:54) - Low retention for easy-to-use AI apps (01:03:57) - Incentives for AI companies to join a bundle (01:04:39) - Potential for collaboration between AI companies  (01:12:01) - Leading AI firms creating separate bundles (01:16:43) - Outro

In this episode, Nathan sits down with three researchers at Carnegie Mellon studying adversarial attacks and mimetic initialization: Zico Kolter, Andy Zou, and Asher Trockman. They discuss: the motivation behind researching universal adversarial attacks on language models, how the attacks work, and the short term harms and long term risks of these jailbreaks. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive TIMESTAMPS: [00:00:00] - Introducing the podcast and guests Zico Kolter, Andy Zou, and Asher Trockman [00:06:32] - Discussing the motivation and high-level strategy for the universal adversarial attack on language models [00:09:33] - Explaining how the attacks work by adding nonsense tokens to maximize target sequence probability [00:11:06] - Comparing to prior adversarial attacks in vision models [00:13:47] - Details on the attack optimization process and discrete token search [00:17:09] - The empirical notion of "mode switching" in the language models [00:21:18] - Technical details on gradient computation across multiple models and prompts [00:23:46] - Operating in one-hot vector space rather than continuous embeddings [00:25:50] - Evaluating candidate substitutions across all positions to find the best update [00:28:05] - Running the attack optimization for hundreds of steps across multiple GPUs [00:39:14] - The difficulty of understanding the loss landscape and internal model workings [00:43:55] - The flexibility afforded by separating the loss and optimization approach [00:48:16] - The challenges of creating inherently robust models via adversarial training [00:52:34] - Potential approaches to defense through filtering or inherent model robustness [00:55:51] - Transferability results to commercial models like GPT-4 and Claude [00:59:25] - Hypotheses on why the attacks transfer across different model architectures [01:04:36] - The mix of human-interpretable and nonsense features in effective attacks [01:08:29] - The appearance of intuitive manual jailbreak triggers in some attacks [01:15:33] - Short-term harms of attacks vs long-term risks [01:18:37] - Influencing those with incomplete understanding of LLMs to appreciate differences from human reasoning [01:24:16] - Mitigating risks by training on filtered datasets vs broad web data [01:2916] - Curriculum learning as a strategy for both capability and safety [01:30:35] - Influencing developers building autonomous systems with LLMs [01:33:19] - Alienness of LLM failure modes compared to human reasoning [01:35:45] - Getting inspiration from biological visual system structure [01:40:35] - Initialization as an alternative to pretraining for small datasets [01:51:41] - Encoding useful structures like grammars in initialization without training [02:12:10] - Most ideas don't progress to research projects [02:13:02] - Pursuing ideas based on interest and feasibility [02:15:14] - Fun of exploring uncharted territory in ML research LINKS: Adversarial Attacks Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.15043 Mimetic Initialization on Self-Attention Layers: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.09828.pdf X/Social: @zicokolter (Zico Kolter) @andyzou_jiaming (Andy Zou) @ashertrockman (Asher Trockman) @CogRev_podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: Stableaudio.com

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Adam Wenchel, CEO of Arthur.ai. Adam founded the AI security company back in 2019, before GPT-2 existed. In this episode, Adam shares his unique perspective on the AI security landscape, drawing from years building commercial AI systems. They discuss the attacks Adam set out to defend against, the changing priorities of executives in the rush to adopt LLMs, and the LLM-specific techniques Adam has developed. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) Episode Preview (00:03:45) Adam's background in AI and starting Arthur AI in 2019 (00:05:52) The release of ChatGPT as a watershed moment for generative AI (00:07:09) Differences between traditional cybersecurity and AI security (00:09:51) Early examples of AI security issues like boundary detection attacks in fraud systems (00:12:39) - Mitigating risks of AI systems through observability and robust training (00:14:40) - Financial services governance of AI models and its challenges today (00:15:12) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:21:18) - Motivations for governance like staying compliant with regulations (00:21:40) - The mix of incentives shaping earlier AI governance, like explainability (00:28:14) - Using LMs to evaluate the security of other LMs (00:30:03) - Dynamics between training and evaluating future LMs (00:38:10) - The state of reasoning capabilities in large LMs (00:44:35) - Corporate urgency around adopting generative AI technologies (00:46:51) - Common enterprise use cases for generative AI and security concerns (00:50:45) - Techniques for reducing hallucinations in retrieval augmented LMs (00:53:15) - Benchmarking LMs on specific organizational tasks versus generic benchmarks (00:56:30) - Metrics beyond accuracy like concision and hedging (01:01:20) - Automatically detecting anomalies and hallucinations (01:09:20) - Relationships between Arthur AI and foundation model providers (01:11:52) - Where Cohere shines: multilingualism and not hedging (01:13:43) - Anticipating future watershed moments and steady progress (01:19:03) - Whether we can ever fully solve AI alignment and safety LINKS: Arthur.ai: https://www.arthur.ai/ X/Social: @apwenchel (Adam) @itsArthurAI (Arthur.ai) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: Stableaudio.com

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Stephen Parker and Josh Rubin of Waymark, and creators of The Frost, an AI-powered 12 minute short film. In this episode, we get a behind the scenes look at their creative process, the prompting and creative techniques they used to generate and animate the DALL-E results, and an overview of the current state of AI art. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:00) Nathan’s introduction for Stephen Parker and Josh Rubin (00:05:01) - The Frost is a 12-minute short film created using DALL-E 2 images. (00:07:06) - The Frost started as an experiment to see if a narrative film could be created completely from AI imagery. (00:08:38) - The filmmaking process was different because DALL-E images provided a starting point to build the story. (00:10:38) - Parker started generating images with DALL-E 2 when he got access to the early preview. (00:12:26) - Prompt technique to get consistent images by providing context about a hypothetical film. (00:15:57) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:19:37) - Compositional continuity, like shot-reverse shot, was hard to achieve through prompting. (00:22:13)- Rubin would request specific shots and the team would prompt DALL-E 2 to create them. (00:25:24) - Filmmaking with AI as opposed to traditional filmmaking (00:32:25) - Getting consistent facial features for characters was very difficult. (00:39:03) - The storytelling helped cover inconsistencies that viewers might not notice. (00:40:15) - Working with the images DALL-E provides (00:41:54) - MacGuffin Object to tie scenes together (00:44:53) Inpainting and compositing to refine DALL-E Images (00:45:41) - Prompting for complex or novel compositions remains challenging. (00:50:43) - The AI art is limited by what exists in the training data. (01:02:05)- Animating the human characters was challenging because of missing or incorrect appendages. (01:07:36) - The team had to find creative ways to convey emotion through the limited animation. 01:02:24 - Animating subtle human movement and emotion is still very difficult. (01:06:35) - A romantic comedy would be much harder to produce with current AI capabilities. (01:12:17) - For Frost 2 they are using text-to-video models like RunwayML. (01:15:43) - AI voicing advancements applied to filmmaking (01:19:27) - The future of AI in Hollywood and filmmaking: quality narratives still require human vision LINKS: The Frost: https://www.thefrostpart.one/ MIT Tech Review Feature Article: https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/06/01/1073858/surreal-ai-generative-video-changing-film/ Behind the Scenes Videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p31COxNbTWs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8k9MeXpSUU The Frost Part 2 – trailer – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcmwtRd_NIs X/SOCIAL: @Stephen_Parker (Stephen) @bigkickcreative (Josh) @Waymark @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Trey Kollmer, WGA Writer and Co-Executive of the show Ghosts, returns to the show to discuss updates to the Hollywood Strikes, including news on SAG-AFTRA and WGA. Trey and Nathan chat why actors are joining the strikes, how AI will change acting as a profession, Trey’s views on reasoning and how he’s experimenting with GPT-4, and much, much more. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Founding a business is just the tip of the iceberg; the real complexity comes with scaling it. On 1 to 1000, hosts Jack Altman and Erik Torenberg dig deep into the inevitable twists and turns operators encounter along the journey of turning an idea into a business. Hear all about the tactical challenges of scaling from the people that built up the world’s leading companies like Stripe, Ramp, and Lattice. Our first episode with Eric Glyman of Ramp is out now: https://link.chtbl.com/1to1000 TIMESTAMPS: (00:04:01) Hollywood and AI: updates on SAG-AFTRA and the WGA (00:15:20) Sponsors: NetSuite | Omneky (00:18:56) Studio approach to copyright and compensation with generative AI (00:22:17) Hollywood receptiveness to using AI and protections guild members are asking for (00:24:05) How much potential is there in fine-tuning models on writing Hollywood scripts? (00:24:56) Models implementing gradient descent in the weights (00:29:14) How Nathan uses models to write for the podcast (00:34:15) Generating and mining jokes in the writer’s room (00:35:18) Generating polarizing material (00:40:18) Untraining models (00:44:20) AI writing tools and writer perception of them (00:46:34) Context length and pooling layers (00:51:11) Microsoft China (00:52:09) Chat-GPT’s system prompt: steering the model in the direction you want (01:00:02) Actors’ strike (01:02:20) Background actor rights (01:05:45) Using 1 million DALL-E images to create an AI short film (01:09:11) Deepfakes (01:10:29) Speculation on outcomes for the actor’s strike (01:12:51) The future where anyone can be a reasonable synthetic actor (01:17:33) Trey’s take on reasoning and why Hollywood should be more open to AI (01:16:20) New generative choose your own adventure content (01:25:49) A monk’s experience with Chat-GPT (01:28:56) Outdatedness of stochastic parrot notion; reasoning and synthesis (01:32:05) Adversarial attacks (01:36:14) Model vs human susceptibility to adversarial attacks because of human robustness (01:39:20) Trey and Nathan’s reasoning experiments (01:47:30) Performance jumping with abstraction (01:49:22) Language model self-delegation (01:51:04) NVIDIA’s margins compared to TSMC and ASML (02:07:35) Adding an AI layer and competing with incumbents (02:09:22) How sustainable is the demand for an AI friend? (02:13:10) Rewind AI (02:19:27) Big tech vs old school studios (02:14:52) Dramatic ironies from the picketing lines (02:21:38) AI development moments that feel like a movie (02:26:34) CEO of Inflection’s views on misuse being a greater threat than the AI itself SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with three members of the a16z x Convex AI Town project: Yoko Li (Partner, a16z), Martin Casado (GP, a16z), and James Cowling (CTO, Convex). AI Town is a virtual town where AI agents live, interact, and socialize. They discuss how AI Town originated from Yoko’s companion app project, unpredictability as a feature in LLMs and interacting with models like they are lifeforms, and why they chose Javascript and Convex to build AI Town. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Founding a business is just the tip of the iceberg; the real complexity comes with scaling it. On 1 to 1000, hosts Jack Altman and Erik Torenberg dig deep into the inevitable twists and turns operators encounter along the journey of turning an idea into a business. Hear all about the tactical challenges of scaling from the people that built up the world’s leading companies like Stripe, Ramp, and Lattice. Our first episode with Eric Glyman of Ramp is out now: https://link.chtbl.com/1to1000 📣 CALL FOR FEEDBACK: To borrow from a meme… we're in the podcast arena trying stuff. Some will work. Some won't. But we're always learning. http://bit.ly/TCRFeedback Fill out the above form to let us know how we can continue delivering great content to you or sending the feedback on your mind to tcr@turpentine.co.  TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:00) - Episode Preview: Intro to AI Town and the idea of AI as companions (00:05:29) - Overview of AI Town and the simulation framework based on the Stanford Generative Agents paper (00:08:24) - Yoko explains how the idea for AI Town originated from the companion app project (00:10:41) - Yoko discusses how she built the initial AI Town prototype and wanted to make it multiplayer (00:12:31) - The simplicity and elegance of the AI Town codebase (00:13:52) - Interacting with LLMs is like interacting with lifeforms (00:15:47) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:25) - How Convex built a server-side game engine for AI Town  (00:19:28) - How Convex makes building a game engine easy with transactions and database support (00:23:39 )- James emphasizes the power of functional programming paradigms like Convex for building AI apps (00:25:02) - Using simple JavaScript so anyone could understand and extend AI Town (00:28:39) - The group reflects on how JavaScript has become so powerful compared to languages like C++ (00:30:23) - How AI coding assistants were used in building AI Town  (00:31:22) - No open source code for the Stanford paper when they started (00:33:25) - The interplay between programmer and AI model (00:38:01)- Martin draws a distinction between using formal languages vs. natural language (00:39:52) Unpredictability as a feature in LLMs (00:43:21) The balance between formal language and unpredictable behaviours in LLMs (00:43:59) AI Town’s future and the beauty of the community (00:48:27) Are we living in a simulation? (00:50:38) Advice for other developers in AI (00:54:29) AI Town is a community project to be extended on SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Daniel Kang, Assistant Professor of Computer Science at the University of Illinois. Kang has done pioneering work bringing zero knowledge cryptographic proofs to AI. In this episode, they chat about the cryptographic theory behind Daniel's work, how cryptography allows us to balance the tradeoff between privacy and authenticity, and how cryptography usage is needed in a world where LLMs are increasingly embedded into our daily lives. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: Founding a business is just the tip of the iceberg; the real complexity comes with scaling it. On 1 to 1000, hosts Jack Altman and Erik Torenberg dig deep into the inevitable twists and turns operators encounter along the journey of turning an idea into a business. Hear all about the tactical challenges of scaling from the people that built up the world’s leading companies like Stripe, Ramp, and Lattice. Our first episode with Eric Glyman of Ramp is out now: https://link.chtbl.com/1to1000 CALL FOR FEEDBACK: To borrow from a meme… we're in the podcast arena trying stuff. Some will work. Some won't. But we're always learning. http://bit.ly/TCRFeedback Fill out the above form to let us know how we can continue delivering great content to you or sending the feedback on your mind to tcr@turpentine.co.  TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:04) Nathan's Introduction (00:07:06) Motivation for bringing zero-knowledge proofs to AI (00:07:53) Verifying humanness without revealing personal information (00:10:27) Verifying model execution without revealing model details (00:12:42) Verifying medical AI services haven't been tampered with (00:13:51) Overview of zero-knowledge proof protocol (00:15:09) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:54) Cryptographic hashes for commitments (00:22:42) Assumptions underlying cryptographic hashes  (00:24:17) Hash collisions (00:25:20) Adding entropy through salting  (00:26:24) Z case snarks and the proving process  (00:31:00) Using lookup tables for nonlinearities (00:33:35) Floating point vs fixed point calculations  (00:34:08) Quantizing models for efficiency (00:35:55) Using polynomials to represent arbitrary computations (00:37:26) What are finite fields?  (00:41:23) Toxic waste for cryptographic secrecy (00:45:51) Computational costs (00:47:39) The experience of using a cryptography application to verify model output   (00:49:05) Verification key doesn't reveal model weights (00:56:36) What using crypto infrastructure in AI enables and challenges to its implementation  (01:01:26) Potential for 10-100x cost reductions (01:04:51) Authenticating images with attested cameras (01:11:56) How cryptography in AI could impact daily life (01:14:25) On-device credential verification (01:15:50) Potential for regulation of hardware authentication (01:18:52) Upcoming work to reduce proof costs LINKS: Daniel's website X/TWITTER: @daniel_d_kang (Daniel)  @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan and Erik sit down to analyze Hugging Face in light of its recent $235M Series D round. They analyze Hugging Face’s community and defensibility through the lens of other community businesses like ProductHunt and Yelp, assess its ability to fulfill its $4.5 billion valuation, and assess competitors and other notable companies in the space like Replit, Character, and Runway. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00:57) Episode Preview (00:01:52) Nathan’s Introduction (00:04:57) Overview of Hugging Face and recent fundraising announcement (00:08:13) Hugging Face’s product line (00:16:47) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:18:36) Community driven businesses and HuggingFace’s moat (00:23:23) Discovery and inference (00:28:04) Hugging Face’s ideological nature (00:31:31) Curation is key (00:33:46) Keeping content fresh when AI moves so fast (00:35:44) If Hugging Face is a $50 billion company one day, what would it look like? (00:48:08) Hugging Face vs Replit (00:57:19) Contrasting Hugging Face with other companies like Character and Runway LINKS MENTIONED: Hugging Face's LLM leaderboard X/TWITTER: @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Paige Bailey, Lead Product Manager of Generative Models at Google Deepmind. In this conversation, they discuss what it's like to be a PM for an LLM as opposed to an app, defining ideal LLM behaviour, and reasoning - how do you distinguish real abilities vs pattern matching? If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:15) Introducing Paige Bailey (00:04:21) Paige’s background at Google Brain and the Deepmind merger (00:07:00) PM for a LLM vs being a PM for an app (00:11:21) The development timeline and compute budget of PaLM-2 (00:14:30) Paige’s role in the PaLM 2 project (00:15:30) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:26) Defining desired capabilities for PaLM-2 (00:19:17) The amount of work that went into elevating PaLM 2 from PaLM 1 (00:20:28) Has Google lost its ability to ship? (00:24:240) Paige's "eureka" moment seeing GitHub Copilot capabilities (00:27:47) Competing PaLM 2 with other models (00:32:20) Grokking and the predictability of emergent capabilities (00:37:30) Citizen scientists and the multilingual capabilities of PaLM 2 (00:39:29) Distinguishing real reasoning vs pattern matching (00:45:51) Products using PaLM-2 that people should try (00:50:35) Most exciting AI projects that you can try out (00:52:29) Curriculum learning and successor to the transformer LINKS: PaLM 2 Duet AI for developers Avenging Polayni’s Revenge X/TWITTER: @DynamicWebPaige (Paige) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Music Credit: GoogleLM

Join Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg as they analyze the latest developments from OpenAI on GPT 3.5, compare GPT to other live player models like Llama2, and discuss the state of AI in coding, education, and healthcare. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:01:00) GPT 3.5 Turbo (00:06:36) Llama 2 vs GPT (00:11:24) How much inference is needed to double compute costs? (00:13:40) OpenAI’s moat (00:14:41) OpenAI’s privacy consideration for data (00:16:06) Sponsor: Netsuite | Omneky (00:17:46) Encouraging the usage of instructions during fine-tuning (00:19:19) Live player consideration of AI safety (00:22:35) Da Vinci: new completions fine tuneable model (00:24:59) Chat-GPT usage in decline (00:30:03) Getting on demand tutoring on ML papers (00:31:00) Code, education, and healthcare (00:31:42) AI applications in coding (00:38:12) AI revolution n education (00:42:35) AI revolution in healthcare (00:52:17) Call for feedback LINKS: Replit episode with Tyler Angert Replit episode with VP of AI, Michele Catasta AI Revolution in Education with Khan Academy's Director of Engineering, Shawn Jansepar Google's Multimodal Med-PaLM with Vivek Natarajan and Tao Tu X: @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @cogrev_podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Vivek Natarajan and Tao Tu of Google’s Med-PaLM, diving into how they used one of the world’s largest medical datasets ever compiled to develop Med-PaLM M, an AI agent specialized in medical tasks. In this episode, they discuss: Med-PaLM M's “clinically superhuman” abilities and limitations, the rigorous testing and validation that went into the model, and their vision for AI to take over repetitive clerical tasks and allow doctors to focus on patients. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:00:56) Introducing Vivek Natarajan and Tao Tu (00:04:18) The story of Google’s Medical AI research progress (00:07:11) Multi-modal Med-PaLM (00:10:32) Genomic data - how do you represent it? (00:11:13) Google’s Deep Variant (00:14:44) The successes and failures behind the incredible pace of progress (00:15:02) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (00:21:54) Google’s research culture and assembling an interdisciplinary team (00:31:36) Google’s Pathways (00:33:40) Med-PaLM M's architecture (00:37:28) Working with 3 different model sizes and what you learn (00:46:56) Data and compute required for Med-PaLM M (00:49:38) Med-PaLM M's cycle time (00:54:56) Is a bridge or adapter structure worth implementing? (01:00:09) Can we create an AI doctor? (01:02:39) Emergent capabilities like identifying tuberculosis (01:09:37) Reactions to these emergent capabilities (01:11:13) Moving towards clinical trials and real-world testing (01:13:01) Regulatory and safety considerations (01:15:03) AI safety in the healthcare domain (01:17:00) Potential to transform healthcare access worldwide LINKS: Med-PaLM: https://sites.research.google/med-palm/ Med-PaLM M paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.14334 Our earlier conversation with Vivek Natarajan on Med-PaLM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPBd7i5tnEE X/TWITTER: @vivnat (Vivek) @taotu831 (Tao) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.

In this episode, Nathan sits down with Shawn Jansepar, Director of Engineering at Khan Academy, to discuss their GPT-4 powered Socratic tutor, Khanmigo. In this conversation, Shawn and Nathan chat about Khan Academy’s collaboration with OpenAI and how they helped fine-tune GPT-4, how Khan Academy leveraged GPT-4 to build Khanmigo, and the impact of providing access to an AI tutor to any student. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode Preview: Education 10 years from now (04:42) Khan Academy’s early access partnership with OpenAI (06:31) Khanmigo: journey from Chrome extension to AI tutor (11:36) GPT-4’s ability to be Socratic vs 3.5 (15:05) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky (16:40) Integrating Khan Academy’s Pedagogy into AI (20:06) The future of education 10 years from now  (22:37) Khan Academy’s models (27:20) Demo-driven development process (31:16) Sculpting the behaviour of a Socratic tutor model  (35:59) Khan Academy’s contribution to GPT-4’s fine-tuning and RLHF (38:41) Being data-informed vs data-driven as a practice  (42:10) Incurring tech debt to get ahead of the curve (45:28) The boundary for what an AI can/can’t t tutor  (49:30) Identifying when the user is confused and avoiding AI hallucinations (53:54) Khanmigo’s development patterns  (59:11) Making Khanmigo jailbreak resistant  (01:01:50) Delivering personalized education with AI  (01:04:08) How Shawn and his team are thinking about AI education (01:05:33) Khanmigo’s future multimodal interactivity (01:08:42) Evaluating Khanmigo’s efficacy for student learning  (01:11:41) How widely is Khanmigo deployed today and what is the future for universal public access? (01:05:11) Distribution through teachers and districts (01:16:30) What are the reactions from teachers and education institutions to AI? (01:18:15) Khanmigo’s pricing model (01:19:03) The future roadmap for Khanmigo (01:20:45) How will the AI tutor change the world at large? LINKS: Khanmigo: khan.co/khanmigo23 Benjamin Bloom’s 2-Sigma Problem: https://web.mit.edu/5.95/www/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf X/TWITTER: @shawnjan8 (Shawn) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg @CogRev_Podcast SPONSORS: NetSuite | Omneky NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.