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The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai.

Disclaimer: The views expressed by the participants of this program are their own and do not represent the views of, nor are they endorsed by The Florida Bar, their respective officers, directors, employees, agents, or representatives. None of the content should be considered legal advice. As always, consult a lawyer.

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Join us for a conversation with Elizabeth Fernandez, Chair of the Administrative Law Section, and Judge Hetal Desai, as they explore the unique practice of administrative law in Florida. Ms. Fernandez explains what Water Management Districts do, why water law is so important to the state, and how to foster a collaborative office culture. She also shares the importance of participating in non-legal volunteer opportunities (like scrubbing the turtle tank at Mote Aquarium). Whether you practice or are interested in administrative or environmental law—or simply appreciate Florida’s remarkable aquatic resources—this is an episode you won’t want to miss.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #260063
Pick it and Stick It

Pick it and Stick It

2026-07-1053:53

Join us for this fresh reboot of Never Contemplated where our host Judge Hetal Desai talks to Judge Carrie Ann Wozniak, the incoming Chair of The Florida Bar Appellate Court Rules Committee. Listen to Judge Wozniak discuss the importance of travel, what it is like to be a judge in the newest appellate district, and why young attorneys should do pro bono and guardian ad litem work. Judge Wozniak gives us tips on writing (keep it short), re-writing (edit, edit, edit), and preparing for oral argument (overprepare but treat it like a conversation). This episode is a great kick off to what should be an educational and entertaining new season.Links to Guardian Ad Litem and Appellate Law Section:https://guardianadlitem.org/(https://clicktime.symantec.com/15xVcJcfzbVxsnwpg1Cuk?h=xrYsr-UqQoVs3-9daVXARJGC-_LHHBGlwPk3-zL4ip8=&u=https://guardianadlitem.org/)https://flabarappellate.org/https://www.floridabar.org/about/cmtes/cmtes-cm/cmte-cm205/This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #9930
Listen to our episode with Magie Ozarowski, the new host of the On Civility podcast. Judge Desai and Ms. Ozarowski talk about what it’s like to be a government attorney, to regulate alcohol, to be a Fellow in The Florida Bar's Leadership Academy, and to explore the world.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8694.
Enjoy this interactive session as our host, Judge Hetal Desai talks with Renée E. Thompson Chair of The Florida Bar’s Solo & Small Firm Section as they discuss the many benefits of section membership. CLE #8573 .5 Professionalism and General Credit. 
In this episode of Never Contemplated, host Judge Hetal Desai talks with two distinguished members of The Florida Bar’s Family Law Section, Sarah Kay, and Shannon Novey. Tune in as they share their expertise and shed light on the intricacies of this multifaceted legal field. CLE Number: 8460
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