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Author: Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander

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“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.
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Live From The Festival

Live From The Festival

2024-06-0906:07

The Season 2 Finale is here! As you will hear, we end the season with more of a whimper than a bang. Regardless, thank you for sticking with us through another season. We are tremendously grateful to all of our guests this past season as well as our six listeners. Have a great summer! We look forward to subjecting you to more mind numbing banter next fall. Support the Show.
Lt. Col. Ryan Nowlin

Lt. Col. Ryan Nowlin

2024-06-0201:06:56

Our final guest of season 2 is Lt. Col. Ryan Nowlin, the 29th Director of "The President's Own" United States Marine Band! Our conversation covers Ryan's career path from public school music teacher to staff arranger and now Director of "The President's Own." We learn more about his work in this role as well as collaborations with Beyoncé, Kelly Clarkson and John Williams to name a few. As you will hear in this episode, Ryan is one of the most humble and kind individuals you will ever meet. H...
In this episode, we talk to Peter about his trip to Panama. No, it is not part of the witness protection program...well, not this time. Our guests, Tim and Christine Baumann share with us their amazing journey in music education (and the planet). They talk about their experiences teaching music in Hong Kong and their roles as co-directors of the International Music Camp in North Dakota. Tim and Christine discuss the different programs offered at the camp and how their travels have changed the...
Jeff Ball

Jeff Ball

2024-05-1801:03:08

In this episode, Phil turns 50. Don’t worry, his status with AARP doesn’t affect his podcasting ability. Thankfully, Jeff Ball stops by for a chat. Jeff is the Director of Bands and Coordinator of Performing Arts at the Grand Street Campus (GSC) High Schools in the Bushwick neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY. He is also the Founder, Artistic Director and Conductor of the Brooklyn Wind Symphony, established in 2008 as the Grand Street Community Band. From its original thirty members, the organizatio...
Josh Becker

Josh Becker

2024-05-1201:06:07

Dr. Josh Becker, a trombone player and elementary school teacher, shares his experiences and insights. He teaches fifth grade and coordinates the elementary band program in the Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan School District in Minnesota. He also runs an instrument donation program, providing instruments to students who cannot afford them. Dr. Becker emphasizes the importance of variety in his teaching career, working with students of different ages and skill levels. He discusses the challenges ...
John Mackey

John Mackey

2024-05-0501:21:33

This week's guest is John Mackey. It is worth the listen even with the three hosts still involved. Yet, it is important to note an interesting development - the software we use to produce this podcast now offers AI episode summary and "takeaways". This week's takeaways were too good not to share:TakeawaysSometimes it's necessary to hide in a closet to escape from family or visitorsJazz Fest can be a fun and memorable experienceHaving an openable window in a closet is unusualSkipping sch...
Jon & Sara Baumann

Jon & Sara Baumann

2024-04-2859:01

If you can make it through today's banter which covers hockey skate sharpening, lawn care, tea parties, and changing a tires, you are in for a treat. Today we welcome the "Mandan Dynasty" Jon & Sara Baumann. John and Sarah Bauman, are music educators from Mandan, North Dakota, known for their contributions to the All State Band Program and their successful music programs at the high school and middle school levels. Sarah and John discuss their middle school and high school band prog...
Shortest Show Ever!

Shortest Show Ever!

2024-04-2100:50

Shortest Show Ever!! You are welcome! See you next week with TWO fabulous guests!Support the Show.
Erin Gleason

Erin Gleason

2024-04-1401:06:24

Well they said it would never happen --Erin Gleason, fabulous music educator, flautist, and spouse of Chris, in a moment of weakness or sympathy, joins us on the show. In an episode that could be subtitled, "tell us what you really think", Erin gives us her honest opinion of the show, grills, clutter, bad banter, and band-o-ramas. In what some might call a "revealing" episode you will learn more about this great teacher, parent, and human. Want to find out more about the Beyond The...
Choose Your Own ArtLess

Choose Your Own ArtLess

2024-04-0601:09:59

After a well-deserved break from us, we are back to interrupt your life with more mind-numbing banter. This week, we have no guests……but wait….before you hit the delete button consider listening to this episode featuring some of our favorite moments over the past two years. As you will hear in our pre-banter banter, we hesitate to call this a “best of” episode as the term "best" doesn’t apply to this podcast. Instead, think of this as a "choose your own adventure" without any choice. Enjoy?Su...
Michael Sweeney

Michael Sweeney

2024-03-1759:57

Here to celebrate St. Patrick's Day is our favorite Irish loving composer, Michael Sweeney! Even our below average banter session didn't sway Michael from sharing a wonderful hour looking back at his start as a musician and composer. We get his perspective on what has changed in composition over the course of his career and learn more about the Hal Leonard Corporation. A St. Patty's Day Episode wouldn't be complete without Michael Sweeney playing some tin whistles as well! In this episode we ...
Shauna Pickens

Shauna Pickens

2024-03-1056:43

In this episode of Beyond Artless, we sit down with the remarkable Dr. Shauna Pickens, an esteemed educator/conductor, trombonist, and Professor at Texas Tech University. Once we get the trombone jokes out of the way, we learn a lot from Dr. Pickens about her later journey through music education, teaching in a low SES school, mentors, and her support for a music education for ALL! We even have a rare interruption from Grandma Juli and Erika who want to say hello to Peter’s former colleague. ...
Pete Winslow

Pete Winslow

2024-03-0301:02:20

The competition for dullest pre-guest banter continues on. Following closely behind pre-guest banter is dull post-guest banter. Thankfully, we’re able to steal Peter away from his tour for a few minutes. Chris and Phil have nothing important to be stolen away from.Our guest this week is clearly the most comfortable commentator we have ever had on the podcast. Pete Winslow’s sports broadcasting skills are impressive and his trombone playing is excellent despite his coll...
Kelly Bell

Kelly Bell

2024-02-2553:59

Ever wonder who organizes that big get-together during the holidays? No, I’m not talking about your family’s holiday bash at your Uncle Louie’s house. I’m talking about the Midwest Clinic in Chicago. Kelly Bell is the Executive Director of the Midwest Clinic. She joins us for a wonderful chat about the inner workings of the Clinic, her time at Conn Selmer, mentors like Dr. Tim, and our request for a booth and a t-shirt canon at next year’s Midwest (this also involves a race between John Macke...
Paul Kile

Paul Kile

2024-02-1801:03:28

In celebration of the Minnesota Music Educators Association (MMEA) Conference this past week, we are pleased to have the fantastic Minnesota music educator Paul Kile with us. Paul shares his upbringing, including the LaCrosse Boys Choir, cymbals, and a skiff (you'll just have to listen). We talk about his amazing work teaching high school band at Edina High School as well as his leadership roles in multiple organizations including the Minnesota Music Listening Contest, National Band Associati...
Russel Mikkelson

Russel Mikkelson

2024-02-1101:02:02

Commuters who have been with us since the beginning have grown to appreciate the “homespun” nature of the podcast. Well, maybe not appreciate, but gently tolerate? Phil learns the value of restarting his laptop and pays the price by offering very little for the first half of the episode (shut out). We learn about Ferryville, Wisconsin and surrounding suburbs. Who knew that a dairy farmers kid could go on to great success as a trumpet player, teacher, band director and curren...
Mike George

Mike George

2024-02-0401:04:31

Mike George is a legendary figure in the arts education community in Wisconsin and beyond. His leadership has impacted thousands of people over his highly successful career. What an honor to spend an hour with Mike as he shares his childhood experiences and passion for music, discussing his teaching career, involvement in polka bands, and fine arts administration. Emphasizing relationship-building and mentoring, he highlights the importance of creating a culture of sharing. He discusses estab...
Buddy Deshler

Buddy Deshler

2024-01-2801:03:46

This man is Non-Stop! The podcast continues this week by exploring the stories and journey of an extraordinary individual in the world of arts and music - Buddy Deshler. A former Dallas Brass musician, Professor at Furman University, and all-around crazy trumpeter. We dive into Buddy’s early experiences with music, his time with the Dallas Brass, his non-profit “Brass Institutes of America”, and some of those memorable experiences one has when they have toured the world as a performing musici...
Mark Davison

Mark Davison

2024-01-2101:01:24

On this week's show is a man with many skills - from writing drills to building decks; Mark Davison can do it all. He is a gentle giant whose passion continues to nurture all those who get the privilege of working with him. In our conversation, Mark talks about his experience as a private instructor and band director. He shares his experiences with the Essential Ellington Jazz Festival, his approach to teaching private lessons, and the importance of tailoring lessons to fit each student's nee...
Tim Gleason

Tim Gleason

2024-01-1458:12

There is a great quote that states, “Older siblings: the only people who will pick on you for their own entertainment and beat up anyone else who tries.” This week’s guest is none other than Chris’s big brother, Tim Gleason. Our discussion explores Tim’s amazing teaching and coaching career, mentors, and great books. Learn more than you want to know about growing up in the Gleason household, poor youth decision making, professional wrestling moves, and tips on how to improve this podcast. Ern...
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