Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal

In this episode of Thoma Bravo’s Behind the Deal, Managing Partner Holden Spaht sits down with Charles Gottdiener, CEO of Anaplan, and Leagh Turner, CEO of Coupa, to discuss how enterprise software leaders are turning AI innovation into real business impact. Drawing on their experience as both builders and users of AI, they share how AI is driving productivity, reshaping operating models, and expanding operating leverage—while highlighting the importance of governance, disciplined pricing, and domain expertise as AI adoption accelerates. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Learn more about Anaplan: https://www.anaplan.com/ Learn more about Coupa: https://www.coupa.com/ Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an advertisement. Views expressed are those of the individuals and not necessarily the views of Thoma Bravo or its affiliates. Thoma Bravo funds generally hold interest in the companies discussed. This podcast should not be construed as an offer to solicit the purchase of any interest in any Thoma Bravo fund. Certain statements about Thoma Bravo made by portfolio company executives are intended to illustrate Thoma Bravo's business relationship with such persons rather than Thoma Bravo's capabilities or expertise with respect to investment advisory services. Portfolio company executives were not compensated in connection with their podcast participation, although they generally received compensation and investment opportunities in connection with their portfolio company roles and in certain cases are also owners of portfolio company securities and or investors in Thoma Bravo funds. Such compensation and investments subject podcast participants to potential conflicts of interest. In addition, this podcast includes forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

Recorded live at Thoma Bravo’s 2025 AI Summit, this episode features a fireside chat between Thoma Bravo Founder and Managing Partner Orlando Bravo and IBM CEO Arvind Krishna. Krishna shares an operator’s view on why AI is unequivocally good for software—boosting developer productivity, expanding entry-level hiring, and unlocking billions in back-office automation that IBM has reinvested into software R&D and growth. The conversation also explores IBM’s $34 billion acquisition of Red Hat, including the strategic investment in hybrid cloud and OpenShift, how the deal scaled beyond expectations, and why conviction was critical despite initial market skepticism.  Looking ahead, Krishna outlines what’s next for enterprise AI: agents layered on systems of record, smaller purpose-built models, and why companies that scale AI deliberately will pull ahead. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Learn more about IBM: https://www.ibm.com/case-studies/ibm-client-zero?lnk=hpls1us Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an advertisement. Views expressed are those of the individuals and not necessarily the views of Thoma Bravo or its affiliates. Thoma Bravo funds generally hold interest in the companies discussed. This podcast should not be construed as an offer to solicit the purchase of any interest in any Thoma Bravo fund. Certain statements about Thoma Bravo made by portfolio company executives are intended to illustrate Thoma Bravo's business relationship with such persons rather than Thoma Bravo's capabilities or expertise with respect to investment advisory services. Portfolio company executives were not compensated in connection with their podcast participation, although they generally received compensation and investment opportunities in connection with their portfolio company roles and in certain cases are also owners of portfolio company securities and or investors in Thoma Bravo funds. Such compensation and investments subject podcast participants to potential conflicts of interest. In addition, this podcast includes forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

What separates good CEOs from great ones? According to Proofpoint CEO Sumit Dhawan, it’s the ability to build belief. In this episode of Beyond the Deal, Thoma Bravo Managing Partner Seth Boro sits down with Sumit to discuss the leadership principles behind scaling a high-performing, human-centric cybersecurity company. From growing up in Delhi and learning the value of hard work and ownership, to leading a global public company, Sumit reflects on how transparency, storytelling, discipline, and mentorship build trust and unlock the best work from teams—and why building belief may be the most underrated skill in leadership today. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Learn more about Proofpoint: https://www.proofpoint.com/us Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an advertisement. Views expressed are those of the individuals and not necessarily the views of Thoma Bravo or its affiliates. Thoma Bravo funds generally hold interest in the companies discussed. This podcast should not be construed as an offer to solicit the purchase of any interest in any Thoma Bravo fund. Certain statements about Thoma Bravo made by portfolio company executives are intended to illustrate Thoma Bravo's business relationship with such persons rather than Thoma Bravo's capabilities or expertise with respect to investment advisory services. Portfolio company executives were not compensated in connection with their podcast participation, although they generally received compensation and investment opportunities in connection with their portfolio company roles and in certain cases are also owners of portfolio company securities and or investors in Thoma Bravo funds. Such compensation and investments subject podcast participants to potential conflicts of interest. In addition, this podcast includes forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

Season 4 of Behind the Deal kicks off with a deep dive into Proofpoint, a key investment within Thoma Bravo’s cybersecurity portfolio. Seth Boro and Andrew Almeida reflect on the conviction behind the firm’s largest software buyout at the time, while Proofpoint CEO Sumit Dhawan shares how the company has scaled, evolved its platform, and stayed ahead of rapidly growing cyber threats in an AI-driven world. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Learn more about Proofpoint: https://www.proofpoint.com/us Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute an advertisement. Views expressed are those of the individuals and not necessarily the views of Thoma Bravo or its affiliates. Thoma Bravo funds generally hold interest in the companies discussed. This podcast should not be construed as an offer to solicit the purchase of any interest in any Thoma Bravo fund. Certain statements about Thoma Bravo made by portfolio company executives are intended to illustrate Thoma Bravo's business relationship with such persons rather than Thoma Bravo's capabilities or expertise with respect to investment advisory services. Portfolio company executives were not compensated in connection with their podcast participation, although they generally received compensation and investment opportunities in connection with their portfolio company roles and in certain cases are also owners of portfolio company securities and or investors in Thoma Bravo funds. Such compensation and investments subject podcast participants to potential conflicts of interest. In addition, this podcast includes forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions and involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.

Thoma Bravo returns with Season 4 of Behind the Deal—the chart-topping, award-winning podcast that goes inside the strategy, leadership, and conviction behind the world’s largest software-focused investment firm. This season brings listeners to the forefront of the software and AI landscape. Hear from Proofpoint’s CEO on how AI is reshaping cybersecurity and what it takes to lead at scale in an increasingly complex threat environment; gain a rare perspective on the future of AI in a candid conversation between Thoma Bravo Founder and Managing Partner Orlando Bravo and IBM CEO Arvind Krishna; and learn how the CEOs of Anaplan and Coupa are navigating AI-driven transformation. Season 4 also features in-depth examinations of major acquisitions, including Intel 471 and Ellie Mae, unpacking the strategic thinking, decision-making, and execution behind each deal. Featuring some of Thoma Bravo’s most senior voices and most timely insights yet, Thoma Bravo’s Behind the Deal offers a look at how leading software companies are built.   For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/

In this bonus episode, Thoma Bravo founder and managing partner, Orlando Bravo joins View From The Top from Stanford GSB for a candid conversation on his nonlinear journey—from leaving a small town in Puerto Rico to building one of the world’s leading software investment firms. Orlando opens up about early career setbacks—including rejection, failed deals, and the mentors who shaped his investing and leadership philosophy. He shares why discipline, humility, strong partnerships, and “doing your own thing” became the foundation of Thoma Bravo’s approach, as well as his long-term commitment to entrepreneurship and impact in Puerto Rico. This conversation offers rare insights on leadership, resilience, mentorship, and what it really takes to build enduring software companies. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Learn more about View From the Top: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/business-podcasts/view-top-podcast

Inspired by the book Getting Real, HubSync Founder and CEO John McGowan explains to Thoma Bravo Partner Ross Devor how operating under tight timelines and budgets with a lean team forced HubSync to focus on an engineer-first approach, providing a foundation for a company that was able to scale.

HubSync started as a bootstrapped idea from John McGowan, a former Big Four tax professional who saw the tech gap in mid-sized CPA firms. In this episode of ‘Behind the Deal,’ Thoma Bravo Partner Ross Devor talks with John about how he turned early consulting work into a profitable SaaS business, the strategy behind landing over 40% of the top 25 accounting firms, and how product market fit shaped every decision.

In the Beyond the Deal mini-sode with Thoma Bravo’s A.J. Rohde and Peter Hernandez, hear NextGen Healthcare CEO David Sides explain his approach to leadership, inspired by his family’s medical roots, and how NextGen Healthcare grew into one of the most trustworthy companies in America. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedealLearn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/Visit NextGen Healthcare's website: https://bit.ly/3TN6i7s

In this episode, Thoma Bravo Senior Partner A.J. Rohde sits down with Peter Hernandez, a Senior Vice President on our Discover team, to detail the strategic take-private of NextGen Healthcare, a leading provider of innovative, cloud-based healthcare technology solutions. They are joined in the studio by NextGen Healthcare CEO David Sides and discuss their bold vision for the future of healthcare IT. Hear perspectives on NextGen Healthcare’s exciting new chapter, marked by a recent investment by Madison Dearborn Partners, to further accelerate the company’s growth. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedealLearn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/Visit NextGen Healthcare's website: https://bit.ly/3TN6i7s AnuZu7AecVNjgD4X6dco

In this Beyond the Deal minisode, hear Instructure CEO Steve Daly share how his past experiences informed his mission to create a results-oriented, customer-centric company and a culture where people genuinely enjoy coming to work. Thoma Bravo Managing Partner, Holden Spaht, and Partner, Brian Jaffee, speak with Steve Daly about his leadership philosophy and building a company culture that emphasizes collaboration. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Instructure's website: https://www.instructure.com/

Instructure’s Canvas, the learning management system used by over 4,000 school districts and 2,500 higher education institutions, became a lifeline during the pandemic. On this episode of Behind the Deal, Thoma Bravo Managing Partner Holden Spaht and Partner Brian Jaffee sit down with Instructure CEO Steve Daly to discuss how they worked together to refocus Instructure to grow into a leading EdTech platform. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Instructure's website: https://www.instructure.com/

Ping Identity Founder & CEO, Andre Durand, explains that in a 10-10 culture, “the how matters as much as the what.” Over time, through his experience as a multi-time founder, he has come to resonate with one simple cultural north star that he refers to as “10-10” to strike a balance between performance and attitude. In this Beyond the Deal minisode, Andre Durand sits down with Thoma Bravo’s Orlando Bravo and Chip Virnig to discuss some of the pivotal moments that shaped his journey as an entrepreneur and what guides his leadership style today. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Ping's website: https://www.pingidentity.com/en.html

Ping Identity helps some of the largest enterprises in the world secure the logins of their employees and customers, helping to keep systems secure, prevent fraud, and decrease friction as companies undergo their digital transformation. In this episode of Behind the Deal, Thoma Bravo Founder and Managing Partner, Orlando Bravo, and Partner, Chip Virnig, sit down with Ping Identity Founder & CEO, Andre Durand, to discuss the $2.8 billion take-private transaction and the strategic rationale behind combining Ping with ForgeRock to create a leading identity security platform for some of the world’s largest organizations For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Ping's website: https://www.pingidentity.com/en.html

In this Beyond the Deal mini-sode, Applitools Co-Founder and CTO, Adam Carmi, and CEO, Alex Berry, speak with Thoma Bravo Partner, Carl Press, about the evolution of Applitools from its early days to a leader in AI-enabled test automation. Adam discusses the initial problem he and co-founder Moshe Milman sought to solve and Alex shares his perspective as CEO and how he embraces the founders’ vision. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Applitools's website: https://applitools.com/

Hear the story behind Thoma Bravo’s investment in Applitools with Partner Carl Press in conversation with Alex Berry, CEO of Applitools, and Adam Carmi, Co-Founder and CTO of Applitools. The company’s all-in-one, AI-powered testing platform revolutionizes the way businesses approach quality assurance and test automation. Carl, Alex and Adam discuss the evolution of the business, the market trends driving the adoption of AI in application testing, and why thousands of companies worldwide trust Applitools’ technology to elevate their testing processes and improve digital experiences for their customers. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Applitools's website: https://applitools.com/

In this Beyond the Deal mini-sode, former Mailgun CEO and CTO, Will Conway and Josh Odom, join Thoma Bravo Partner Hudson Smith to share their experiences of leading a growing technology company starting as college friends turned business partners. They highlight the critical role of a strong, supportive team culture, how their friendship strategically plays to their individual talents and strengths, and how that impacted the business.  For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Mailgun's website: https://www.mailgun.com/

Mailgun enables over 150,000 companies to send, track, test, and optimize more than 250 billion emails per year effortlessly for marketing and business communication to their customers. Thoma Bravo Partner Hudson Smith sits down on Behind the Deal with former Mailgun CEO Will Conway and CTO Josh Odom as they dive into Mailgun’s journey from a spin out from Rackspace to a leading email delivery service for businesses around the world. For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit Maligun's website: https://www.mailgun.com/

In a special episode of Behind the Deal live from Miami at Thoma Bravo’s Annual Meeting in March 2025, Thoma Bravo Managing Partner Seth Boro welcomes two prominent leaders in the cybersecurity industry: Jill Popelka, CEO of Darktrace, and Joe Levy, CEO of Sophos. Cybersecurity has been a focus of Thoma Bravo's investment strategy since 2008, driven by the growing complexities of an increasingly digital world. Jill Popelka shares a perspective on Darktrace's pioneering use of AI in cybersecurity and the evolution of AI-driven software. Joe Levy of Sophos provides insights on scaling cybersecurity solutions and the future of the industry. Together, the leaders shared insights on how their companies are leading the cyber industry to protect their customers from advanced zero-day cyber threats.

In this Beyond the Deal mini-sode, Todd Dauchy, CEO of SMA Technologies, speaks with Thoma Bravo Partner, Adam Solomon, about how he’s navigated his career with the lessons he learned from chess. He also details his focus on strategic thinking, anticipating future trends in the market, and building strong interpersonal relationships within the company.  For more information on Thoma Bravo's Behind the Deal, visit https://www.thomabravo.com/behindthedeal Learn more about Thoma Bravo: https://www.thomabravo.com/ Visit SMA Technologies's website: https://smatechnologies.com/