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Two voice artists, Annette Rizzo and Marcus Hutton, join forces with Dr Mathilde Pavis, an expert in intellectual property law, ethics and new technologies.
In conversation with artists and activists, they explore the professional, legal and ethical issues in Artificial Intelligence in the creative sectors and performance synthesis. *
Music: “Songs for Ancestors” by Juno Reactor. With kind permission from Juno Reactor/Ben Watkins. www.junoreactor.com
*Discussions over the course of these podcasts are an exploration of the law and ethics around AI and should not be taken as legal advice.
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Between 2020 and 2024, the UK has had four Prime Ministers and a long running game of Musical Chairs in the relevant government departments. What we still don't have is a unified, coherent policy on AI and Artists' Rights. In this episode, our guest is Nicola Solomon, a solicitor, consultant on policy and law in the creative industries and, until recently, the Chair of the Creators' Rights Alliance.What progress has she seen in the last few years and what hope has that given her fo...
Dr Mathilde Pavis has questions. A lot of questions. Which she likes to spring on her unsuspecting co-hosts. In the previous episode, Patrick Messe from United Voice Artists talked about the difficulty of engaging policymakers and regulators on Artists' Rights, when there are wars happening and governments collapsing.It's a fair question - and for artists and creatives of all types - an existential one: why, with so much happening in the world, should we care about artists and campaign f...
One of our previous guests, Patrick Messe, of United Voice Artists returns for a crossover episode between The Last Human Voice and Mic Rider Deep Talk, Patrick's own podcast.We talk about the Brussels Effect, kicking off our chat in Germany, which allows us to do some Compare and Contrast. What impact has the EU AI Act had since its introduction in the summer of 2024?What can we learn from the first legal actions testing the law in Germany and from German academics trying to clarify the boun...
Mathilde hijacks this episode with a question directed at co-hosts, Marcus and Annette. No warning. No prepping.They hesitate, they prevaricate, they talk about moving to Alaska. But do they answer the question?You'll have to listen to find out.
Most discussions about AI start with topic of "data mining". But how many of us are clear about what it is and how it works? And how can we be expected to care about something if we don't understand what it is?Even leaders, decision makers, artists, creatives - all of us - need a safe space to go and learn about it without the pressure or judgement.This episode is that safe space.
In the first episode of Season 2, we look at the role of AI in Journalism. Are journalists facing a vicious cycle of generating click bait to drive revenue to keep media companies afloat to pay journalists to generate more click bait? Is AI making it worse - or might it offer a more positive future for journalism?Our guest, Pete Pachal of Media CoPilot is of the latter opinion. He is confident that AI can liberate journalists from the more onerous, less rewarding tasks that have always ...
Copyright Law is in our sights as we reach our Season 1 finale. Dr Andres Guadamuz is a Reader in Intellectual Property Law at the University of Sussex and the Editor in Chief of the Journal of World Intellectual Property. He is also the brain and pen behind the online publication ‘TechnoLlama’.He joins us to answer some of our many questions about what protection Copyright can - and cannot - offer artists and creatives. What does "Fair Use" really mean? What constitutes copyr...
Let's talk about death. Have you considered how you want your digital remains (yes, that's the correct term) to be treated after you're gone?Photos on Facebook, TikTok videos, LinkedIn profiles, demos, self-tapes, emails sent and received; everything you have ever uploaded or shared, whether personally or professionally, will digitally outlive you.Dr Edina Harbinja is a Reader in Media and Privacy Law at the University of Aston. She is a pioneer and expert in her field and author of the ...
What does it look like to do business with clones in a way which puts the artist at the centre of the deal? That's not just our question, but the question posed by Sam Radclyffe. Sam is an experienced entertainment and media rights executive, film producer, and entrepreneur. His answer is Galatea Holdings.Galatea is a Digital Twin Library and Management Company, which proposes a different business model from the ones we've seen so far. The aim is to partner with artists and perform...
In this episode we take a look at very recent deals that tech giants have made with media and content platforms to train their AI models, with consent. We are asking: is the tide turning for training AI towards a licensing model, and away from crawling the web in the wild? In recent months Open AI has made deals with at least 11 companies, to access their content for the purpose of training AI technologies. Those companies include Shutterstock, Le Monde, News Corp, The Financial Tim...
Should the creation of Deepfakes be a protected right under the banner of Free Speech?How do existing laws balance our right to Free Speech with our Right to Privacy?Dr Dimitri Kagiaros is Assistant Professor in Law at the University of Durham and an expert on the regulation of Freedom of Expression. He has written extensively on the topic and his work has influenced changes in the law to preserve freedom of expression.Most recently, he has collaborated with our own Dr Mathilde Pavis on a (so...
In this episode, we select from the latest AI stories that have grabbed the headlines or slipped by stealth into our feeds. From the miscommunication that made Mamma Mia actor, Sara Poyzer, trend on Twitter, to the discovery of Marvin Gaye's long lost demos, we look at legislation, regulation and how artists and creative performers are responding to the relentless pace of AI development.When - if ever - is it acceptable to put words in someone's mouth? Can Voluntary Codes pro...
Much of the fear generated by AI is about theft; the companies that own the technology will steal your image, replicate your voice and replace you with an AI version of you that takes your job.But perhaps it doesn't have to be that way.Since their collaboration on the documentary "Gerry Anderson: A Life Uncharted", Ben Field and Jamie Anderson have continued to work together under the banner of their production company, Deep Fusion Films. Their pioneering use of AI, coupled with their e...
Dr Dominic Lees is an award-winning filmmaker and director. He is also Associate Professor of Filmmaking at the University of Reading, with a research specialism in deepfakes. In 2019, "Virtual Maggie" was among his projects, exploring how AI technology could be used to resurrect Margaret Thatcher for a contemporary drama called "Rebel Bus".Dr Lees joined us for an in-depth discussion of the practical and ethical questions raised by digital deepfakes. How far has AI come sin...
Who is going to own your clone? Who gets to control your digital double after you're dead? And what kind of deal can unions do for the departed?In the second of two episodes dedicated to unpicking the SAG-AFTRA Deal, we move on from the rules and requirements for the creation and use of "employment-based replicas". These are replicas tied to specific motion pictures.Our focus this time is on "independently created digital replicas": those that have been created by the performer themselv...
Our guest in this episode is Yvonne Muinde, an award-winning visual effects artist whose credit list takes in a range of iconic films, including the Planet of the Apes, The Hobbit, and Avatar. An established fine artist, Yvonne's work has featured in several collections, including the The Chemistry of Color Collection at the Philadelphia Museum of Fine Art. She currently works and creates out of her studio, Ikweta Arts, located in Nairobi, Kenya.Yvonne shares her thoughts on ...
“A ground-breaking, innovative new contract”; that’s the headline for the deal negotiated between SAG-AFTRA, the US Actors’ union and Replica, the company using AI to create digital voice replicas.What does the deal cover? What does it omit? As the first agreement of its kind, what could it mean for actors and performers both in and outside the US? And is it truly “ground-breaking”?In this episode, we talk through the details and sum up what we believe to be the pros and cons of the new deal.
What does it mean to have your voice or performance cloned? Is there a difference between cloning and synthesis?If I agree to the creation of my digital double, do I have any say in what it does next? And wherever it goes, will the Law be running to catch up?Put simply, do I want to be a clone?
The phrase "Know your worth" is often repeated among artists, performers and other freelance workers who have the responsibility for negotiating their own rates and terms of employment for every job they do. But how do you go about valuing yourself and your work? And how do you then convey that to an employer, especially in a landscape where cost, rather than creativity, seems to be the driving force?That's the focus of this shorter episode, discussing how we put a price on our skills an...
Agents are the hard-negotiating, multi-tasking, contract-savvy industry experts, working to match the Talent they represent with paying clients. In what can be long contractual chains, agents provide a layer of protection for performers, who trust them to act in their best interest.Our guest this time is Daniel Hinchliffe, managing director of the Soundcheck Group which includes a UK talent agency for actors and performers in theatre, tv, film and radio and also looks after directors and chor...
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