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Author: Mark Steadman & Brendan Hutchins

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What is the work of a middle-aged man? To improve himself and help those around him contribute to a fairer, more tolerant society.

Mark is a digital producer with a coaching mindset. Brendan is a home remodeler with plans to become a men’s health coach.

As men entering their second phase of life, they push each-other to be better and achieve more, without the hustle and grind mindset of the Internet bro.

They also do battle with music, writing original songs on the topic of the day.
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The most thing is sugar

The most thing is sugar

2025-04-2501:07:41

The boys mostly talk about sugar, both in chocolate form a la Easter, and in pill form via placebo.(00:00) - The most thing is sugar (01:17) - Brendan describes needing a hug (03:18) - Mark describes his norming (06:10) - Mark mourns a friend (10:30) - Brendan and Mark spoil an episode of Black Mirror (16:57) - Mark describes a book (18:51) - Mark and Brendan appreciate Paul Giamati (22:00) - Brendan has gone 40 days without YouTube (27:53) - Mark does his easter bit (30:24) - Brendan and Mark describe their different easters (38:13) - Mark describes his confusion about sales tax (40:05) - Mark recounts his encounter with a crackpot (01:04:13) - Brendan claps back LinksThe Holdovers (2023)Black Mirror – EulogyWake Up and Open Your Eyes, by Clay McLeod Chapman
Mark and Brendan figure out how to talk to people in real life.(00:00) - Is this what normal people do? (00:19) - Brendan got a visit from his mom (03:00) - Mark dreamt of Brendan (06:03) - Brendan went to a trade show (27:07) - Mark recounts his public speaking journey (45:07) - Mark reckons with his unlikeability as a child (56:46) - Mark makes a metaphor (59:21) - The pair talk about assertiveness (01:00:57) - Brendan overthinks a Reddit conversation (01:03:27) - Brendan and Mark talk therapy modes (01:06:07) - Mark takes an ADHD tangent (01:11:20) - Brendan talks in church (01:17:39) - Mark remembers how to talk to strangers (01:20:38) - Brendan introduces some new listeners
Get in the comments!

Get in the comments!

2025-04-1155:31

Mark encourages Brendan to make short-form video... not at all because he has started making his own.(00:00) - Y'all are welomed to the show (03:42) - Mark wouldn't call a dude "love" (05:19) - Mark says "y'all" ironically (08:28) - Undo is now monetised (17:17) - Brendan's killing it running a meditation group (22:25) - David chimes in (23:16) - Brendan questions his medium (32:55) - Brendan's got moves in the kitchen you haven't even heard of (43:18) - Mark reminisces about You Suck at Cooking (45:56) - Mark reminisces about The War of the Worlds (49:50) - Your One Thing is beckoning (52:02) - Brendan remembers why his teachings are his to give (54:46) - We have to shift the Peeps LinksGet in the comments!Jeff Wayne’s Musical Version of The War of the Worlds
Now I have a bag of pegs

Now I have a bag of pegs

2025-04-0401:10:36

Mark opens a can of worms full of aspartame, and Brendan has both joined a dodgeball league and started a meditation circle. Now who's being a productive dynamo!?(00:00) - Now I have a bag of pegs (00:42) - Dopamine Nation (07:52) - Does Mark trust Brendan? (19:09) - Mark pokes the bear on aspartame (38:47) - Brendan brings up the Potato Famine (40:08) - Mark was write about community (44:09) - Mark ruins Brendan's apology (52:04) - Does food carry a message? (01:00:11) - Brendan takes another run at the apology (01:04:02) - Brendan unveils his meditation group (01:06:06) - Brendan goes back to dodgeball (01:09:36) - Brendan tells his joke LinksUltra-Processed People, by Chris van Tulleken
Brendan and Mark kind of have a fight a little bit. In as much as two enneagram 9s can.(00:00) - We're senseless to our selves (00:59) - Mark's chat history (05:22) - Brendan and the holy trinity (13:59) - Mark gets triggered by the word "recover" (27:56) - The tug of war (38:33) - Another parable of the blind man (43:05) - Part 1 of Mark trying to make a short-form video series (49:46) - A men's group structure (56:13) - Mark wants to open his own beer (01:08:33) - Roscoe being a pest LinksSelf-Compassion: The Proven Power of Being Kind to Yourself, by Kristin NeffThe Magic, by Rhonda Byrne
Our heroes navigate freelancing and money, and Brendan has an update for Mark on fasting, courtesy of everyone's favourite large language model.(00:00) - Playing myself at Magic the Gathering (00:12) - Brendan consulted ChatGPT on fasting (06:16) - The YouTube diet (12:31) - The forthcoming men's group (14:11) - Make a plan B (19:25) - Just exist (28:21) - Freelance hubris (36:43) - We don't have a template to follow (45:31) - Capitalism corner (50:07) - What is the authentic self? (58:25) - Value-based pricing vs hourly billing (01:09:02) - Last week LinksLost Connections, by Johann HariThe Way of the Superior Man, by David Deida
Brendan's not eating again, and Mark has opinions about education.(00:00) - Cheesecake (04:46) - Brendan is not eating (17:32) - Teaching by experience vs study (19:47) - Profit vs compensation (28:20) - Study vs experience revisited (47:04) - Finding intrinsic confidence in your work (01:09:12) - Only Correct LinksWake Up and Open Your Eyes, by Clay McLeod Chapman
Mark's vibrating internally but has got some funky stuff cooking, and Brendan still wants Mark to stop using TikTok.(00:00) - Brendan's tree joke (00:20) - Manic Mark (03:18) - Undo update (08:52) - It's all coming together (22:17) - Big changes and ADHD (25:32) - Pathologising a good time (29:59) - r/blocked (38:48) - Brendan tries to deprogramme Mark from TikTok again (52:18) - Brendan's duck joke LinksCranking, by Merlin MannHard as Nails
Brendan's going to church and Mark's starting a choir. No, like, really.LinksThe Problem with Time & Timezones(00:00) - They're just trying to have a Tuesday (00:12) - Mark's other podcast (11:44) - C90 Community Chorus (32:52) - Life starts now (35:06) - Brendan's going to a church (46:56) - God is a woman (56:14) - A means of control (01:05:52) - 7 days (01:08:14) - Timezones
How do you like them apples?LinksThe paradoxical theory of change
No powders

No powders

2025-02-1401:12:28

Brendan has an app idea and a new tattoo, and the boys both watched The Menu. And have things to say. (Spoiler: they liked it.)(00:00) - No powders (00:14) - The Godmode app (20:49) - Mark has discovered Substack (27:55) - Content as an act of service (29:47) - Brendan got a tattoo (39:42) - The wolf that wins is the one you feed (52:16) - The Menu LinksThe Menu (2022)Triangle of Sadness (2022)
I am more bit than man

I am more bit than man

2025-02-0701:05:44

Brendan and Mark talk about pain, shame, and programming; Mark does a recce of Brendan's website; (00:00) - I am more bit than man (00:49) - A nice little shop (04:23) - Being essential (07:30) - What doing business looks like in 2025 (16:33) - Raising rates (20:37) - Positioning (30:42) - From me to you (32:17) - Mark's regular "how do I make a reliable income" wobble (38:04) - Brendan's website (41:38) - We buy stuff to make problems go away (46:10) - Struggling to engage with Godmode (01:04:57) - Outro (01:05:19) - Do what in your shop?
Mark's chair is broken, Brendan is still obsessed with The Cable Guy, and AI always has to have the last word.LinksShell GameGuns Akimbo (2019)Deep Questions with Cal NewportWe Can Do Hard Things
Brendan and Mark are back in their respective homes, coming down to earth and discussing music, dancing, numbing, and more.LinksMy Pink Half of the Drainpipe, by the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah BandOpen Arms, by ElbowAnjunabeatsSMART goals are not so smart: make a PACT insteadMen's Work: A Practical Guide to Face Your Darkness, End Self-Sabotage, and Find Freedom, by Connor BeatonHow to Begin: Start Doing Something That Matters, by Michael Bungay StanierThe Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love, by Bell HooksWhen Food Is Love: Exploring the Relationship Between Eating and Intimacy, by Geneen RothIntuitive Eating, 4th Edition: A Revolutionary Anti-Diet Approach, by Evelyn Tribole & Elyse ReschSorry if the volume's all over the place... Descript (the software we use to edit) is being incredibly fussy today. 🍼(00:00) - Our pink halves of the drainpipe (00:16) - Mark's purpose statement (06:04) - The Maestro (07:57) - My Pink Half of the Drainpipe (11:02) - Open Arms (12:25) - The week after the fortnight before (14:58) - Anjuna and Chill (23:19) - Numbing agents (29:27) - Wacky backy serving sizes (31:10) - Getting on protocol (40:42) - Dr Bronner and his opinions (43:37) - Weekly reviews (45:55) - Godmode journaling (47:41) - Daily tracking (or "Oh no, my stats!") (49:31) - On the book "Men's Work" (55:46) - Making the Godmode book an interactive experienec
Brendan and Mark celebrated Brendan's 40th by being in the same city together yet again. This time it was Brendan's turn to host Mark, and so the pair recount their adventure.LinksWatch the boys smash stuff upBrendan's 40th birthday dance party(00:00) - We're just going to be here until I can drive again (00:12) - Mark's been up mountains (03:10) - Brendan turned 40 (08:06) - Get Better (15:26) - December 26-29 (17:31) - December 30th - January 2nd (31:35) - January 3rd - 4th (33:28) - January 5th (37:59) - January 6th (59:17) - January 7th - 9th (01:08:51) - Gratitude content
Mark is packing to see Brendan who's building a bathroom. Also there's talk of vaccinations, what to do when your friends won't join you on your journey to understand yourself and the world better, and why there is a mathematically correct politics.LinksBreak the Mold: 5 Tools to Conquer Mold and Take Back Your Health, by Jill Crista(00:00) - It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you (00:10) - Updates from the Cottage (01:51) - Mark's stress levels (08:33) - Fasting content (16:39) - Drinking baking soda for pH balance (17:25) - Wbere you're going, your friends can't always follow (31:37) - Vaccines (41:46) - And other conspiracy theories (48:22) - Why "small government" politics is provably, not just morally wrong (55:41) - Plans for episode 57 (01:00:04) - Roscoe
Silent heart shapes

Silent heart shapes

2024-12-2001:18:06

Friend of the show Billie Proffitt joins Brendan and Mark to discuss fasting, the stars, and how our choices affect the outside world (Mark's jury is still out). And there is a Tune Tumult to adjudicate.(00:00) - Silent heart shapes (01:23) - Fasting content (10:05) - What we teach our kids about food (15:51) - Your strange addiction is valid (21:11) - Brendan's fasting update (23:37) - You;'re outta gass (32:44) - Extending your comfort zone (34:41) - Spiritual ties to physical ailments (41:22) - Astrology and the fourth turning (50:12) - Yeah, but why though? (54:54) - Audacity (58:41) - We're looking through the telescope the wrong way (01:03:23) - Brendan's song (01:09:25) - Mark's song (01:17:16) - Driving LinksCooked: A Natural History of Transformation, by Michael PollanThe Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control, by Katherine Morgan SchaflerBig Magic: How to Live a Creative Life, and Let Go of Your Fear, by Elizabeth Gilbert
Stop doing everything

Stop doing everything

2024-12-1301:09:18

Mark snet Brendan a photo of himself in the bath... and also had to go to hospital. Meanwhile, Brendan is becoming more comfortable as the face of Godmode – and there's a v1 document draft!(00:00) - Episode 54 (00:36) - Mark's hypertensive crisis (18:23) - Godmode v0.1 (41:07) - The face of Godmode (46:14) - Capitalism and medicine (50:43) - Stop doing everything (55:30) - Kassablanca (01:04:25) - A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (01:05:48) - Destroy me, ChatGPT
Bro.

Bro.

2024-11-2901:28:20

What tactical deployment of the word "bro" can do for men who need to call out other men. Also, a rundown of Heretic, which the pair saw this week.(00:00) - 2024-11-24 Episode 53 (01:17) - Brendan's birthday playlist (03:38) - Mark's 40 hour fast (09:19) - Brendan got a splinter (14:42) - Men can't help themselves (28:07) - Emasculation vs objectification (35:15) - Bro (39:55) - Masculine and feminine energy (48:40) - Orgazmo (49:19) - Free Speech (Tune Tumult round 4) (50:11) - #freespeech (Mark's song) (55:34) - Free Speech Free Seech Free Speech (Brendan's song) (01:02:23) - Mark's party piece (01:04:12) - Heretic (spoilers abound) (01:26:52) - Leguminati (01:28:00) - Roscoe! LinksBrendan’s playlistAllie SherlockHow to bring out the best (and worst) in men – The Anxious Love CoachOrgazmo (1997)MarshmelloStutter Edit 2 – iZotope pluginBlue Man Group Hears "Welcome to the Black Parade" for the First TimeHeretic (2024)
Free Speech and Marshmallow MadnessIn this rollercoaster episode, we dive into everything from the hypothetical beauty of a 'Godmode' What To Eat podcast with Brendan Hutchins to the real-life hilarity of a live Randy Feltface puppet show. Along the way, we tackle deep issues like men's responsibility in society, the botched 'free speech' argument, and even touch on culinary monstrosities like cottonseed oil and vegetable oils' dubious origins. Tune in as we become pundits, theorists, and accidental comedians in one fell swoop. Also, Mark tries to figure out a convoluted way to say "underwear" inclusively. You don't want to miss this!Problematic is problematic
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