The Lawmas Podcast

In this episode, Lauren and Lacey dig into the case of the Golden State Killer, Joseph James DeAngelo, a man whose crimes spanned burglary, sexual assault, and murder across California in the 1970s and ’80s. They discuss how DNA evidence, once unimaginable in criminal investigations, ultimately linked his crimes together decades later and led to his arrest in 2018. They also discuss the science behind DNA profiling, the ethical concerns of law enforcement accessing genetic data from medical providers and ancestry services, and how law and science don’t always evolve at the same pace. The conversation also turns personal, as the hosts reflect on privacy, public health, and the balance between protecting communities and protecting individual rights. #thelawmaspodcast #laurenandlacey #lawmoms #lawpodcast #goldenstatekiller #josephjamesdeangelo #serieskillerseptember

Lauren and Lacey kick off Serial Killer September with a look into one of the most notorious names in true crime, Ted Bundy. They revisit his cross-country crimes, his shocking prison escapes, and the troubling way his appearance and charm shaped public perception and even courtroom treatment. Along the way, they explore the legal angles: what it meant for Bundy to represent himself, how attorney–client privilege works even in extreme cases, and why fair trials matter even for the worst offenders. The conversation also raises questions about whether Bundy could have operated as long in today’s world of DNA evidence and interstate cooperation, and why the public spectacle of his execution still lingers in cultural memory. What do you think?   #thelawmas #serialkillerseptember #lawmoms #lawpodcast #LaurenandLacey #legalpodcast #tedbundy

Lauren and Lacey kick off their brand-new Serial Killer September series by discussing how investigations into serial crimes have changed over the decades. From the days when police departments rarely shared information across state lines to today’s use of CODIS, DNA databases, and even familial DNA through ancestry websites, the tools for catching killers look dramatically different. The conversation explores both the promise and pitfalls of DNA evidence, how it has freed the innocent, convicted the guilty, and in some cases raised concerns about privacy, contamination, and misuse. They also dig into the psychological side of serial killers, comparing public perceptions of “likable” figures like Ted Bundy to the disturbing patterns seen in cases such as Pee Wee Gaskins, John Wayne Gacy, and South Carolina’s Todd Kohlhepp. The hosts tackle the differences between mass murderers and serial killers, the debate over whether genetics could ever play a role in sentencing, and how cases like the Golden State Killer changed the game with new science. To wrap things up on a lighter note, Lauren and Lacey share their thoughts on Cardi B’s hilarious courtroom moments and what they reveal about how celebrity clients are treated differently on the stand. This episode sets the stage for a month-long dive into infamous serial killers. Next up: Ted Bundy.   #thelawamaspodcast #serialkillerseptember #laurenandlacey #lawmoms #legalpodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey mix pop culture with legal insight. After a quick story about Lacey’s trip to Atlanta to see basketball star A’ja Wilson, they discuss two trending topics: the Menendez brothers’ parole hearings and Netflix’s new Biggest Loser documentary. Lauren explains why both Eric and Lyle Menendez were denied parole, citing contraband cell phones and questions about remorse. The hosts explore how prison cell phones have fueled nationwide scams and how that plays into parole decisions, while also asking whether the brothers still pose a real threat to society. They then shift to the Biggest Loser documentary, highlighting troubling contracts that pressured contestants to waive legal rights and exposing unsafe health practices that put entertainment above wellbeing. Lauren and Lacey question whether such contracts should be enforceable and imagine how a healthier, more responsible version of the show could work today. Next Up: Serial Killer September and a paranormal lineup for October! It's going to be a fun fall with The Lawmas!   #legalpodcast #thebiggestloser #laurenandlacey #menendezbrothers #thelawmaspodcast 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey continue their Infamous Women series with one of the most notorious names in true crime: Aileen Wuornos. They discuss Wuornos’ troubled childhood, her history of violence, and the series of murders that led to her place on death row. Along the way, they explore key legal questions around wills, inheritance, and the complexities of the death penalty. Was Wuornos’ first killing really self-defense? Should the jury have heard about the victim’s violent past? And how does her case compare to others, like Susan Smith? Lauren and Lacey also discuss the rarity of women on death row, how different states handle capital punishment, and why context matters when weighing “heinousness” against public safety. If you’re fascinated by the intersection of law and true crime, this episode will keep you thinking long after it ends. Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more episodes every Friday! #TrueCrime #AileenWuornos #DeathPenalty #LawPodcast #LegalAnalysis #TheLawmasPodcast

In this week’s episode, Lauren and Lacey continue their “Infamous Women” series with a case that shocked the 90s, the story of Mary Kay Letourneau. They revisit the headlines, the court case, and the deeply troubling facts of a 30-something teacher who began a sexual relationship with her 12-year-old student, ultimately having two children with him. Lauren and Lacey break down the legal implications, sentencing, and how the justice system treated her compared to how it might have treated a man in the same position. They also dig into how cultural attitudes, then and now, shape public perception of these cases, and why the age and power dynamics make consent impossible. From the courtroom to the lasting impact on the victim’s life, this conversation examines not only the legal side, but also the human cost. The hosts also weigh in on other recent teacher-related headlines, privacy issues, and double standards in punishment. It’s a candid, eye-opening discussion on justice, gender, and the law, and why some cases still make us question how far we’ve really come.

Can you really fraud your way onto Dancing with the Stars? In this week’s episode, Lauren and Lacey discuss Anna Delvey’s white collar crimes, her surprising light sentence, and why she’s still living (and profiting) in the U.S. despite not being a citizen. They also compare The Hunting Wives to real courtroom dynamics, because let’s be honest, we’ve all watched it in secret.  Listen now and tell us: Should someone get rich from committing a crime? #TheLawmasPodcast #AnnaDelvey #WhiteCollarCrime #TrueCrimeTalk #LegalBreakdown #FraudCases #ImmigrationLaw #LawyerLife #TheHuntingWives  

This week, Lauren and Lacey break down the twists and turns of the Karen Read case, from the hung jury to the eventual not-guilty verdict and everything in between. They get into the legal side of things: what a hung jury really means, how third-party guilt works, and whether Read might have a case to get her legal fees or property back. Before that, they kick things off with a quick mention take on the Amy Bradley Netflix doc and the mystery of her disappearance from a cruise ship.  From questionable police conduct to financial fallout for defendants, this episode offers a sharp but approachable look at the real-life impacts of criminal defense cases. If you want them to dive deeper into the Amy Bradley case or suggest another infamous woman to feature, send the Lawmas an email at thelawmaspodcast@gmail.com or DM them on Instagram #thelawmaspodcast #karenreadpodcast #amybradley #lawmoms #hungjuries #karenreadpodcast 

This week, Lauren and Lacey explore why some murder cases result in death penalty charges while others end in plea deals, sparked by the controversial Brian Kohlberger plea agreement and a divisive Indiana case where victim families disagreed with prosecutors' decisions. The hosts address a key misconception about victim trauma in the legal system. When cases involve child victims, prosecutors often accept plea deals to avoid forcing traumatized children to testify in open court and face cross-examination by defense attorneys. Parents frequently choose plea agreements over subjecting their children to additional trauma, even when it results in sentences that seem inadequate to the public. The practical realities of death penalty cases explain why prosecutors negotiate plea deals. Capital cases require two separate trials, extensive jury selection, and automatic appeals lasting 20 to 40 years. South Carolina has 32 inmates on death row, with executions rarely occurring. The state faces shortages of death penalty certified attorneys, requiring expensive private counsel.  While the Victims' Bill of Rights requires prosecutors to notify families about proceedings, ultimate charging decisions belong to the state to ensure objective justice rather than emotionally-driven outcomes. They criticize how the Kohlberger case was handled, arguing families deserved earlier notification about removing the death penalty from consideration. The episode touches on systemic court challenges including judge shortages and the emotional toll on legal professionals handling capital cases. They conclude by discussing attorney Dick Harpootlian's involvement in a recent local murder case, highlighting how lawyers often switch between prosecution and defense roles throughout their careers. The hosts emphasize that understanding these behind-the-scenes factors is crucial for forming informed opinions about seemingly lenient sentences, as prosecutors must balance evidence strength, victim trauma, resources, and the reality that death sentences often result in the same outcome as life imprisonment. Contact The Lawmas at thelawmaspodcast@gmail.com #deathpenalty #thelawmaspodcast #legalmoms #lawmoms #BrianKohlberger

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey and Lauren return with updates on some of the biggest legal cases they've discussed on the show. First, coming off of the July 4th holiday, they cover fireworks laws, then dig into major developments in the Alex Murdaugh appeal (including possible Brady violations), discuss new evidence that could impact the Menendez brothers’ case, and share a candid take on the P. Diddy verdicts and what the jury likely considered. They also weigh in on whether the Epstein files should be made public, and what that means for public perception vs. legal reality. Appeals, parole, prosecutorial missteps, and public opinion—it's all here in this roundup episode!   #thelawmaspodcast #laceyandlauren #legalpodcast #murdaugh #pdiddy #menendezbrothers #lawmoms 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey dig into the legal side of the P. Diddy trial, breaking down the leaked verdict sheet, the concept of an Allen charge, jury deliberations, and what happens when a juror wants out. But first, they share a candid conversation about the double standards facing stay-at-home dads and the challenges working moms face when juggling court dates, client obligations, and sick kids. It’s an honest, insightful mix of legal analysis and real-life lawyer-mom perspective. (Note: This episode was recorded before the verdict.) Plus, get a sneak peek at the upcoming series on infamous female criminals!   Contact The Lawmas at thelawmaspodcast@gmail.com #thelawmaspodcast #pdiddycase #podcastpdiddy #stayathomedads #legalpodcast

In this Fourth of July episode, Lauren and Lacey take a closer look at what it really means to have personal freedom, especially when legal, medical, and ethical questions collide. They discuss a recent case in Georgia involving a woman who was declared brain dead but kept on life support to carry her pregnancy to term. They also discuss tough topics like healthcare decisions, abortion laws, and the rights outlined in the Constitution. From their legal perspectives as an estate planning and a criminal defense attorney, they explore: How healthcare power of attorney documents work, and why they matter The challenges doctors face when laws restrict medical judgment The emotional and financial toll on families caught in these situations Why black-and-white laws often don’t fit real-life cases How women can take steps now to document their wishes clearly Lauren and Lacey share their own views on life, family, faith, and the importance of letting people make the decisions that are right for them. Be safe this holiday weekend, don’t drink and drive, and if you ever need legal help, you know who to call.   #thelawmaspodcast #4thofJuly #lawmoms #personalfreedom #constitution

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey close out their reality TV legal series with a breakdown of Mormon Wives, but not before tackling a timely topic: AI in the legal world. From estate planning to criminal defense, they explain why tools like ChatGPT can’t replace a real lawyer and how relying on AI could land you in legal trouble. They then turn their focus to Mormon Wives and the complicated issues around underage marriage, statutory rape laws, and cultural pressure. They dive into age of consent laws, “Romeo and Juliet” exceptions, and why pushing girls into marriage so young is legally and ethically problematic. The Lawmas also highlight celebrity double standards, like Kylie Jenner and Elvis, where teen-adult relationships get a pass. Finally, they wrap with a quick legal take on cease-and-desist letters and defamation in reality TV drama. Message The Lawmas on Instagram or thelawmaspodcast@gmail.com   #podcast #thelawmas #momlawyers #mormonwives #realitytvpodcast #chatGPT  

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey continue talking through legal issues of reality TV, this time digging into the world of Sister Wives. From the complexities of property ownership and inheritance to health care decisions and estate planning, the hosts unpack what happens when legal systems don’t account for polygamous family structures. Using Coyote Pass as a case study, they explain how lack of legal marriage impacts real estate rights, medical decision-making, child custody, taxes, and more. While recognizing the personal freedom of spiritual marriages, they emphasize the importance of legal planning, like health care proxies, wills, and contracts, to protect everyone involved. The conversation also touches on public policy concerns and why legalizing plural marriage remains unlikely. Looking ahead, Lauren and Lacey tease an upcoming episode on fertility law and reproductive rights, highlighting how modern family structures continue to challenge outdated legal norms.   #lawmaspodcast #legalpodcast #lawmoms #realityTVpodcast #sisterwivespodcast #laurenandlacey

In this listener-voted episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey dig into the wild world of reality TV and the legal complexities behind shows like Sister Wives and The Poly Family. From the history of anti-polygamy laws to modern custody battles and property rights, the Lauren and Lacey unpack how the law views these unconventional family structures and where it gets messy. They also discuss the darker history of cults like FLDS and the Kingstons, the role of public policy, fraud concerns, and what really happens when reality TV meets real legal risk. Spoiler: Cody Brown’s biggest issue might not be the sister wives, it might be the paperwork!! Stay tuned for future episodes exploring estate planning, custody, and more drama from reality TV's most legally chaotic families. TheLawmasPodcast.com #thelawmaspodcast #sisterwives #realitytvpodcast #lawpodcast #laurenandlacey #FLDS #Kingstons, polygamy 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, hosts Lauren and Lacey reflect on Father’s Day through the lens of their own personal experiences. Kicking off with a quick legal Q&A about locating a will and navigating probate when one isn't readily available, the conversation soon shifts into an emotional discussion about the complex roles fathers play in their children's lives—especially for millennials. Lacey opens up about her strained relationship with her father, sharing vulnerable stories about abandonment, longing for connection, and the emotional toll of growing up without the stability and love she craved. She draws a poignant parallel to a recent Teen Mom episode, touching on themes of accountability and the need for children to reclaim their narratives. Lauren offers a contrasting but equally powerful perspective, recounting her own experience with a supportive and present father, as well as the challenges her husband faced growing up with a largely absent, troubled dad and an overbearing grandmother. Together, they explore how different father figures, and how the presence or absence of them shape us as individuals and parents. The episode closes with love and gratitude for their current partners and a Father’s Day tribute. It’s an honest, emotional, and insightful conversation that will resonate with anyone navigating family complexities during this time of year. #thelawmas #fathersday #mompreneurs #lawpodcast #applepodcasts #mompodcast #millennialpodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey wrap up their millennial series by getting candid about the realities of being business owners, attorneys, and moms navigating hustle culture. From choosing business structures to managing sick days and setting boundaries with clients, Lauren and Lacey share personal stories that reflect the unique challenges millennials face and how their generation is shifting expectations in the legal profession. The conversation discusses how they balance family life, prioritizing mental health, and creating workplace cultures rooted in empathy and flexibility. Lacey and Lauren also reflect on how millennial attorneys are rethinking advocacy and client care, particularly when it comes to addiction, rehabilitation, and second chances. This episode is a tribute to working moms, fur baby parents, and every millennial trying to build a fulfilling life with boundaries that matter! #thelawmaspodcast #mompreneur #lawmoms #millennials #boundaries

In this episode of the Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey get real about the complicated dynamics millennials face with their parents and grandparents. What starts as part two of parenting as millennials quickly turns into a candid conversation about the emotional tug-of-war between generational expectations and modern family realities. Lauren & Lacey share personal stories about caregiving, proximity to family, and the often-unseen pressures they face as busy professionals, moms, and daughters. They reflect on how geography, family structure, and life stages impact their ability, and willingness, to show up for extended family in the ways older generations might expect. Lacey opens up about being labeled “the favorite,” while Lauren shares how being an only child changes her support system. They also explore how millennial parents are redefining what “family” means today, including the shift toward prioritizing their immediate household. Get ready for cultural expectations, sibling comparisons, and a little Kardashian commentary. Get ready for laughs, real talk, and a refreshing reminder that family relationships are never one-size-fits-all.   #thelawmaspodcast #laurenandlacey #millennials #parentingasmillenials #lawmoms

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, hosts Lacey and Lauren discuss what it means to be millennial moms compared to previous generations. They share humorous stories about their children's brutal honesty before diving into key differences in parenting approaches. Lacey and Lauren explain their generation's parenting style with how they were raised, highlighting their focus on emotional validation while still teaching resilience. Lauren discusses how her move away from spanking as discipline, finding it ineffective with her children. They discuss increased safety concerns around sleepovers and neighborhood play, while acknowledging some parenting norms remain consistent across generations. Other millennial parenting shifts include avoiding gender stereotypes, respecting children's body autonomy, teaching body positivity, and being less judgmental of other parents when children misbehave. The hosts admit they're not perfect parents but strive to combine the positive aspects of their upbringing with evolving approaches to child development. Next week, they'll discuss being millennial business owners and balancing work with family life.   #podcast #thelawmaspodcast #millenialparenting #lawmoms #mompreneurs #laurenandlacey #truecrimepodcast #lawpodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey and Lauren kick off their millennial series by discussing the unique challenges of having Boomer parents. The hosts begin with Lacey delivering a Kanye West update, detailing his recent lawsuit against his dentist over laughing gas addiction. The main discussion focuses on the struggles millennials face "raising" their stubborn Boomer parents. Lauren and Lacey share frustrations about their parents' resistance to health advice, from refusing to drink water instead of sweet tea to ignoring doctor's orders after surgery. They note how their generation approaches health more holistically, focusing on nutrition, exercise, and mental wellbeing, while their parents often resist these concepts. Social media usage creates another generational divide, with Lauren and Lacey talking about their parents' questionable photo selections and inappropriate posts. Lauren and Lacey discuss boomer parents often struggle to understand the difference between venting and asking for solutions, leading to communication breakdowns. Lauren points out that despite these challenges, millennials maintain closer relationships with their parents than previous generations did, partly because Boomer grandparents are more involved with their grandchildren. This creates both stronger bonds and more opportunities for friction. The episode wraps up with reflections on how millennials are trying to help their aging parents navigate health and technology while respecting their independence. As Lacey says, "It is hard raising these Boomer parents," before teasing the next installment in their millennial series about raising their own children. The Lawmas can be reached on their website: TheLawmasPodcast.com Lauren and Lacey are attorneys and law firm owners in South Carolina and have been friends since high school. If you have a topic you would like for them to discuss, send us a message! thelawmaspodcast@gmail.com   #truecrimepodcast #lawmoms #thelawmaspodcast #boomerparents #millenials #raisingparents