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Org Design Podcast
Org Design Podcast
Author: Amy Springer, Tim Brewer, Damian Bramanis
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Leaders share real stories from organizational (org) design, workforce transformation, and managing structure change. We highlight the challenges and breakthroughs seen first hand helping organizations become places people love. This is for any leader who is creating organizations of the future. Join host Amy Springer and the co-founders of Functionly, Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis, on their quest to make work work better.
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In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, Amy Springer talks with Jacob Chase, founder of The Infin, about one of the hardest questions in org design: how do you fairly value what a person actually contributes? Drawing on his background as an investment banker and hedge fund investor — and his experience scaling a 150-person, $30M real estate business — Jacob shares how a single underpaid 'rock star' employee sparked his search for a better way to measure impact. The answer came from an unexpected place: the stock market. Jacob explains how he built an internal 'market' for attributing credit, where every team member's peer feedback aggregates into a live, dynamic picture of contribution. The result is a more credible, less political, and more transparent approach to performance — one that decentralizes accountability, surfaces hidden leadership (and hidden problems), and ultimately connects each person's contribution to fair compensation.
00:00 Welcome & introducing Jacob Chase (The Infin)
00:19 From Wall Street to org design
01:34 Investor vs. operator: why people drive returns
04:10 Transferable skills from Wall Street: thoroughness & rigor
05:29 The underpaid 'rock star' and the problem of measuring contribution
07:07 How a broader impact became visible
08:37 Why the classic HR review model falls short
09:30 Borrowing from stock markets: a market for value
11:26 Decentralizing accountability & removing politics
12:47 Surfacing hidden leadership and underperformance
15:22 Smoothing performance anxiety in an uncertain world
19:42 Connecting contribution to the 'pie' and compensation
21:54 Who brings this to their org (CEO-led)
22:43 Final thoughts: get people the right inputs
The Org Design Podcast
https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcasthttps://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/
Functionly
https://www.functionly.com
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Rob Zinkan shares how specializing in higher-ed marketing and communications led them into organization design, why “centralize vs decentralize” and “bust silos” are often unhelpful binaries, and how leaders can improve effectiveness by clarifying purpose, strategy, and ways of working. Key themes include influence without authority, integrating across silos, making trade-offs explicit, engaging people through co-creation (not just buy-in), and treating org design as an ongoing leadership discipline—especially amid hybrid work and AI.
00:00 Intro + Rob’s path into org design via higher education
03:54 Why specialize (industry + function) and where it creates value
06:34 Marketing as an enterprise capability aligned to strategy
10:27 Universities, repeatable org units, and strategy tensions (research vs teaching)
11:59 Centralize vs decentralize; silos and horizontal integration mechanisms
15:30 Business model + operating model realities in universities
18:11 Moving from diagnosis to future-state operating reality; engaging people
20:49 When to apply org design principles (any size team; ongoing discipline)
23:11 One leadership skill: ask better questions (and listen)
24:25 Hybrid/AI shifts focus from org charts to operating models
26:17 Accountability, org charts, and codifying ways of working
30:21 Wrap-up
The Org Design Podcast
https://www.functionly.com/org-design-podcast
https://www.linkedin.com/company/orgdesignpodcast/
Functionly
https://www.functionly.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/functionly/
In this episode of the Org Design Podcast, host Tim Brewer welcomes Lorena Balestrieri, future chair of the European Organizational Design Forum, to discuss her unconventional career path—from hospitality in Argentina to tech leadership at Booking.com, and her pivot to helping mid‑career professionals reinvent themselves. Lorena shares how she identified gaps in HR and org design, built a niche helping middle managers and women navigate career transitions, and emphasizes the importance of networking, strengths assessment (SWOT), and practical tools like resume building and LinkedIn. She explains org design in simple terms, outlines her mentoring approach, and invites listeners to connect with her on LinkedIn for personalized support. The conversation highlights the evolving org‑design community, the need for mid‑level talent development, and actionable steps for professionals seeking career reinvention.
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This episode is a practical deep dive into how organisations actually change—not just talk about it.
Simon Davies (20+ years in org design across Europe and North America) breaks down why most “transformation” efforts fail, and what leaders should do instead.
The core idea:
You have two choices when leading change—force compliance or build commitment.
Simon argues that while top-down decisions feel faster, they create a long tail of resistance. A collaborative approach may feel slower upfront, but leads to faster, smoother execution because people support what they help create.
The conversation explores:
Why “buy-in” is a flawed concept
How to involve people without losing control
What an operating model actually is (in plain English)
The real signs your organisation needs redesign
How to structure change so it doesn’t become chaos
If you’re leading a team or organisation and feeling friction, misalignment, or stalled progress—this episode gives you a practical lens to rethink how change happens.
@functionly
@orgdesignpodcast
www.functionly.com
Most org design work disappears the moment the workshop ends.
In this episode, Szilard Strenner explains how visual facilitation turns strategy into something people can actually see, engage with, and remember.
Instead of flipping through forgotten slide decks or buried documents, visual facilitation uses large-scale, pre-designed templates and real-time visual recording to help teams think together, align faster, and retain decisions.
The key idea:
👉 Great facilitation isn’t about what happens in the room—it’s about what’s designed before it.
Szilard shares how:
• Visual structures guide thinking and decision-making
• Physical interaction (moving cards, filling space) drives engagement
• Preparation (not improvisation) is what makes facilitation effective
• Strategy can live beyond the workshop as a shared, visual “one-pager” across the business
For leaders doing org design, this is a shift from:
• Slides → Shared artefacts
• Talking → Co-creating
• Outputs → Alignment
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@functionly
https://www.linkedin.com/in/szilard-strenner/
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