The Freedom Forum with Angela B. Freeman

Banking leadership was never Pamela Anderson's plan. She started college studying piano and took 11 years to finish her bachelor's degree.Now a commercial relationship manager at PNC Bank, Anderson traces her path from working through school to leading a business banking team across central and southern Indiana. She explains how Anderson University shaped her approach to servant leadership, why she writes down her values and goals each year, and what she learned from mentors who encouraged her to speak up and celebrate her accomplishments.Anderson also shares how her husband's death in 2021 changed her family and career. She recalls receiving the news on her first day at a new financial firm and the colleagues and friends who helped with everything from business meetings to laundry. She describes learning to ask for help and letting go of the fear of other people's opinions.The conversation covers working motherhood, the guilt of missing games and school assignments, and the daily 30 minutes she sets aside with her son. Anderson discusses building trust with employees, acknowledging leadership mistakes and keeping expectations consistent during difficult conversations. She also explains why mentees need to drive their relationships with mentors, how women can sponsor one another without an executive title, and what Indianapolis employers can do to invest in young professionals.

Five years of real conversations. One recurring question: Who gets the opportunity, and what do inclusive leaders do once they have the power to create opportunities for others?   The latest episode of IBJ’s The Freedom Forum with Angela B. Freeman looks back at five years of candid conversations about diversity, equity, inclusion, mentorship, representation and leadership in Indiana.  Hosted by Chris Spangle, this retrospective episode was curated to highlight and celebrate the 5th anniversary of this groundbreaking and award-winning podcast.  It features insights and stories from the monthly podcast's regular host, Angela B. Freeman, and some of her standout guests, including Jimmie McMillian, Pete Yonkman, Juan Gonzalez, Kristin Weeden, Kaye Vitug and Mario Rodriguez.  Their collective experiences show what inclusive leadership should look like in practice: seeing potential beyond a resume, creating space for people to succeed and fail, making representation meaningful, investing intentionally in individuals and communities, and building teams where different perspectives are genuinely valued.   Thank you to every guest who has trusted The Freedom Forum with their story, and to Angela for five years of authentic conversations designed to move Indiana’s business community forward.  Listen to this fifth anniversary retrospective and explore the full Freedom Forum podcast archive at IBJ.com. This episode is brought to you by Equity 1821. Learn more at www.equity1821.org.

Health care legal leadership requires more than knowing the law. Karen Ann Lloyd explains how she built a trusted legal function inside one of Indiana’s largest health systems while making room for diverse talent to lead.   Lloyd, executive vice president of legal affairs and general counsel at Community Health Network, traces her path from Indianapolis and Indiana University to health policy work on the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee, private practice and more than two decades in-house. She describes the shift from interpreting policy to advising clients, then learning that internal business partners do not always know the question they need to ask.   The conversation examines how legal teams earn a place in strategic decisions by understanding operations, communicating practical guardrails and helping leaders move forward in a highly regulated industry. Lloyd also discusses quiet confidence, introverted leadership and the value of speaking before someone else claims an idea.   She reflects on mentorship, sponsorship and the professionals who created opportunities for her, as well as her responsibility to place team members in visible roles. Lloyd addresses workplace bias, the unequal consequences of failure for diverse attorneys and the importance of learning from mistakes instead of hiding them.   Her legacy includes building a diverse legal team, expanding social accountability programs, supporting food access and transportation services, adding bioethics expertise and serving on nonprofit boards. She closes with a challenge to Indiana leaders: define the skills a role requires, widen the circle of candidates and make diverse talent visible.   The Freedom Forum marks its fifth anniversary and 60th episode with a conversation about law, leadership, service and lasting community impact.  

Dan Kerns, Senior Corporate Counsel at Stout, makes the case that authenticity at work is not just a cultural value but a measurable performance driver. The conversation covers his path from Lawrence North High School and Miami University to IU McKinney School of Law, through years of private practice at a Indianapolis firm, and into his current in-house role at Stout, a global advisory firm specializing in valuation, investment banking, disputes, and transactional advisory services. Kerns and host Angela B. Freeman work through the practical differences between outside and in-house counsel, including what law firms get wrong about knowing a client's business, how legal teams move from being perceived as roadblocks to trusted business partners, and why risk tolerance varies dramatically across business units within the same organization. The discussion also takes on representation in the legal profession directly. Kerns reflects on how meeting an openly gay partner early in his career shaped his decision to enter private practice and how that experience informed his leadership of Stout Pride, the firm's LGBTQ+ affinity group, which he helped grow from roughly 10 members to more than 80. He argues that affinity groups, when structured well, give in-house legal teams unexpected insight into business operations across departments.

Tavonna Harris Askew built a 20-year career in healthcare law by taking calculated risks, starting with a pivot from criminal prosecution to hospital operations. As Executive Vice President and General Counsel of Suburban Health Organization, she now serves as the organization's first-ever in-house counsel, building its legal function from the ground up while advising member hospitals across Indiana and Ohio.Harris Askew traces her path from growing up in Indianapolis's Martindale-Brightwood neighborhood to clerking in the Marion County Prosecutor's Office, practicing at Indiana Legal Services, and eventually entering health law at Health and Hospital Corporation of Indiana. She discusses the legal complexity behind hospital operations, including compliance, managed care contracting, anti-kickback statutes, and federally qualified health center certification.The conversation also covers how she approaches mentorship and sponsorship across lines of race, gender, and seniority; what it means to show up authentically in a small organization after decades in large institutions; and what Indiana's healthcare system must do to close equity gaps, build provider pipelines, and treat the whole patient. Harris Askew holds two degrees from Indiana University, including a J.D. from the IU Maurer School of Law.