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Dangerous at Both Ends, Tricky in the Middle

Author: Jen and Barbara

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Welcome to Dangerous at Both Ends, Tricky in the Middle an equine behaviour and training podcast with Jen Nash and Barbara Hardman.


There’s a lot of information out there about horses.


Some of it is brilliant. Some of it is outdated. Some of it has been repeated so many times we’ve stopped asking whether it was ever true in the first place.


So… we ask why.


We talk about equine behaviour, training, welfare, learning, veterinary medicine and the science behind the things we do with horses. We pull apart research, question long-held beliefs, tackle the things doing the rounds on social media and, increasingly, answer the questions you send in to us.


And we don't always agree. Sometimes there isn't a neat answer. Because behaviour is complicated. Horses are complicated. Humans are definitely complicated.


We’ve talked about everything from reinforcement, enrichment and emotional regulation to gastric ulcers, calming supplements, thermoregulation, travelling horses, cribbing collars and whether you should scrape the water off a hot horse.

And somehow we’ve also covered Beyoncé, jellyfish that don't sneeze and Barbara accidentally killing a rabbit while playing golf. Basically, things go off track. A lot.


But underneath the madness, we want to do one thing: help people think.

Not tell you what to think.


Ask better questions. Look at the whole horse. Be curious about the evidence. And maybe get a little more comfortable saying, “Hang on… why do we do it that way?”


Got something you want us to talk about? Send us your questions, dilemmas, unpopular opinions and things you've always wondered but perhaps been too afraid to ask. Nothing is off limits.


Welcome to Dangerous at Both Ends, Tricky in the Middle.


Real questions. Real conversations. Science, behaviour… and a reasonable amount of madness. 🐴🎙️

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Gastric ulcers are one of the first things many horse owners think of when a horse’s behaviour changes, but can all behavioural problems really be blamed on Equine Gastric Ulcer Syndrome? In this episode, Barbara and Jen are joined by equine internal medicine specialists Dr Ben Sykes and Dr Amy Lovett to explore the complicated relationship between gastric disease, pain and behaviour in horses. Ben has an extensive clinical and research background in equine gastroenterology and Equine Gastric...
We’re back with Ella Bradshaw-Wiley, Associate Lecturer in Equine Science at Charles Sturt University, for Part Two of our conversation around her paper, 'Combined reinforcement: Poisoned cue or a panacea for modern equine training? A narrative review.' Ella's research focuses on equine behaviour, learning and welfare, with her current work exploring combined reinforcement and its potential influence on learning, behaviour, safety and the horse-human relationship. In Part Two, we head straigh...
This week we are joined by Ella Bradshaw-Wiley, Associate Lecturer in Equine Science at Charles Sturt University in Australia, for the first of a two-part conversation inspired by her paper, 'Combined reinforcement: Poisoned cue or a panacea for modern equine training? A narrative review.' Ella grew up around Thoroughbred breeding and is a passionate Thoroughbred retrainer, but her interest in understanding why horses behave and learn the way they do led her into equine science. Her work now ...
This week, we are delighted to welcome Isabelle D’Costa, MSc, PAS, founder of Honos Nutrition Co. Izzy is an equine nutritionist and Professional Animal Scientist whose work combines evidence-based nutrition with a practical, individual approach to each horse. Across this two-part conversation, Izzy joins us from Canada 🍁 for a two-part conversation about the complicated relationship between nutrition and behaviour, helping us revisit our previous calming-supplements episode, right a fe...
This week, we are delighted to welcome Isabelle D’Costa, MSc, PAS, founder of Honos Nutrition Co. Izzy is an equine nutritionist and Professional Animal Scientist whose work combines evidence-based nutrition with a practical, individual approach to each horse. Across this two-part conversation, Izzy joins us from Canada 🍁 for a two-part conversation about the complicated relationship between nutrition and behaviour, helping us revisit our previous calming-supplements episode, right a fe...
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