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Most entrepreneurs will tell you about the pivot, Hitting The Ceiling™ will tell you what happened the night before. Hitting The Ceiling, brought to you by EOS Worldwide is the perfect podcast for businesses, entrepreneurs, and key leaders and managers to talk about the moments they’ve never said out loud. 

Hitting the Ceiling is where business leaders and entrepreneurs talk about the moments they’ve never said out loud that often keep them from growing their businesses in healthy ways. These stories often happen behind closed doors, in the quiet, when the business was surviving, but the entrepreneur wondered if they were burning out. The cashflow ran out. The team walked. The personal life fell apart while the company kept going. 

Everyone hits a ceiling. On this show, host Mark O’Donnell helps guests identify the Five Leadership Disciplines that help leaders break through those seasons to realize the business and entrepreneurial success they were made for. 

New episodes drop weekly. Subscribe wherever you consume podcasts. 

In upcoming episodes of Hitting The Ceiling, you can expect to hear: 

  • What Happens When The Business Owner Is The System with Jill Young
  • The Power of Simplifying Business When Everything Collapses with Sue Hawkes
  • How Success Nearly Destroyed Their Friendship with Al Alexander and Ryan Loos of ConEquip
  • When You’re Forced To Lead Before You’re Ready with Avery Ward
  • When Growth Starts Stealing From Your Family with Ben Glass
  • Upcoming episodes with Patrick Lencioni, Gino Wickman, Kelly Knight and more on leadership, business growth, managing growing teams, and the Five Leadership Disciplines in business.  

Hitting The Ceiling is hosted by Mark O’Donnell, CEO and Visionary of EOS Worldwide™. The Entrepreneurial Operating System is a better way to run your business with tools that hundreds of thousands of business around the world are using to strengthen their businesses, 

New episodes drop weekly. Subscribe wherever you consume podcasts. 

To find out more about EOS Worldwide, visit www.EOSWorldwide.com 

To subscribe to Clarity Break Thoughts, visit www.ClarityBreakThoughts.com

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How much of your business is actually being run by the eight-year-old version of you? Kieran James built Stryde from the ground up, but the real story starts earlier than that: a working-class childhood where food got stretched with oats and money was never quite enough. That scarcity mindset didn't stay in his childhood home — it followed him into every pricing conversation, every hiring decision, and eventually into a franchise opportunity that looked like the growth of a lifetime. In this episode, Kerian opens up about the moment he realized his business decisions weren't logic, they were an old survival pattern still running in the background, and what it actually took to notice it, question it, and choose differently. Whether we like it or not, your upbringing will deeply impact your relationship with money and risk. So, in this episode, we dig into why "rising above" it isn't a one-time decision but an ongoing practice of catching yourself in the moment, and how Kieran rebuilt his pricing, his team, and his own role in the business once he stopped letting a childhood mindset make adult decisions. What you'll learn in this episode: (01:22) How a working-class childhood — and the small, specific ways his family stretched what little they had — quietly installed a scarcity mindset Kieran carried into adulthood. (03:31) The difference between a scarcity and abundance mindset, illustrated through something as ordinary as letting your kids eat a nice snack whenever they want versus saving it "for the right moment." (04:19) How that same hardwiring showed up in sales conversations, making him feel he had to fight for every prospect instead of simply solving their problem. (06:37) The moment Kieran caught himself building a business case to lower a quote — not because the price was wrong, but because he could hear his dad's voice telling him it looked expensive. (08:31) Why it takes a healthy leadership team to hold up a mirror to your inherited beliefs, and what to do if no one around you is equipped to challenge them. (10:35) How an old pattern of "prove it before you believe it" led Kieran to burn £96,000 in year one while bringing in only about £3,500, and the lean-startup mindset shift that followed. (15:06) How being blinded by a big opportunity let Kieran override the warning signs his gut — and his integrator — were already picking up on with a major franchise deal. (18:57) Why letting go of control wasn't just an org-chart decision for Kieran, but a direct rewrite of the "hold onto everything tightly" instinct his upbringing had trained into him. Learn more about Kieran James and Stryde: https://www.stryde.co.uk/ Want to gain traction in your own company? As written about in the best-selling book, "Traction" by Gino Wickman, the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) helps entrepreneurial leadership teams clarify their vision, gain traction, and work together more effectively. Learn more at www.eosworldwide.com Want a little more clarity in your week? Sign up for Mark O'Donnell's Clarity Break Thoughts newsletter: www.eosworldwide.com/claritybreakthoughts Follow the show on your favorite platform: www.eosworldwide.com/htc This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
What happens when the drive to succeed becomes the very thing holding you and your business back? Glen Smith built GDS Wealth Management from relentless cold calls and early financial uncertainty into a firm managing roughly $1.8 billion. But behind that business growth was a fear of failure that shaped nearly every decision he made, pushing him to work harder, hold on tighter, and believe that every important problem ultimately belonged to him. As the company scaled, Glen faced a different kind of challenge: building a leadership team he could trust, delegating effectively, confronting perfectionism, and learning how to get out of the day-to-day without lowering his standards. In this episode, Glen shares what it takes to move from founder-driven growth to a more sustainable way of leading. You’ll hear how he’s replacing personal endurance with stronger leadership, clearer structure, greater accountability, and a business built to grow beyond its founder. What you’ll learn in this episode:  (01:49) How fear can make you confuse being indispensable with being responsible. (03:13) What to consider before sacrificing an irreplaceable life moment for an urgent business problem. (04:49) Why the work ethic that gets you through survival mode can become dangerous once the business succeeds. (07:58) How being physically present but mentally trapped in the business can quietly damage your closest relationships. (09:34) Why having less experience, money, or connections does not have to matter if you are willing to outlast the competition. (14:28) Why walking away from guaranteed money can be the right move to build a company around your values. (23:58) Why scaling gets easier when you stop trying to clone yourself and start hiring people who are better where you are weak. (26:56) How to know when your next ceiling is not growth, but your inability to let go of the roles keeping you stuck. Learn more about Glen Smith and GDS Wealth: https://www.gdswealth.com/ Want to gain traction in your own company? As written about in the best-selling book, "Traction" by Gino Wickman, the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) helps entrepreneurial leadership teams clarify their vision, gain traction, and work together more effectively. Learn more at www.eosworldwide.com Want a little more clarity in your week? Sign up for Mark O'Donnell's Clarity Break Thoughts newsletter: www.eosworldwide.com/claritybreakthoughts Follow the show on your favorite platform: www.eosworldwide.com/htc This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
What happens when the systems that helped you grow start becoming the very thing holding you back? Cory Bengtzen and Tommy Aoki have helped turn SkyShare from a small aviation brokerage into a fast-growing private jet company competing against some of the biggest names in the industry, but beneath the polished world of aircraft, owners, and luxury travel is a business entering a much harder stage of growth. As SkyShare pushes toward becoming a top 10 operator, Cory and Tommy face the pressure of limited systems, expensive talent, pilot retention, acquisition goals, AI disruption, capital needs, and a company that has outgrown the scrappy tools that got it here. You’ll hear how two lifelong friends are trying to preserve culture, simplify operations, align incentives, and build the discipline required to scale a high-stakes aviation business without losing what made it work in the first place. What you’ll learn in this episode:  (01:48) How Cory went from barely graduating high school to selling cars, building dealerships, and launching an aviation company with no roadmap. (02:31) How SkyShare grew from a simple aircraft brokerage into a full-service private aviation company spanning FBOs, fractional ownership, charter, aircraft management, and more. (03:24) Why a painful business split made Cory swear off partners, and why he eventually trusted Tommy to help scale SkyShare. (04:06) How Tommy’s dream of becoming a Fortune 500 CEO took him through wireless, GameStop, and major operational leadership before bringing him back to building a company with his lifelong friend. (10:13) How one blunt conversation with a potential customer forced SkyShare to rethink its values, culture, and leadership from the ground up. (17:43) Why Tommy believes broken culture can be rebuilt, but only when leaders stop treating values like slogans and start living them every day. (22:24) Why SkyShare abandoned its goal of being “most loved” to pursue a top-10 operator ranking by 2030, and what that ambition will demand. (39:15) How systems, AI, pilot retention, office space, and access to capital are now standing between SkyShare and its leap from regional player to national contender. Learn more about Cory Bengtzen, Tommy Aoki, and SkyShare: https://www.skyshare.com/ Want to gain traction in your own company? As written about in the best-selling book, "Traction" by Gino Wickman, the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) helps entrepreneurial leadership teams clarify their vision, gain traction, and work together more effectively. Learn more at www.eosworldwide.com Want a little more clarity in your week? Sign up for Mark O'Donnell's Clarity Break Thoughts newsletter: www.eosworldwide.com/claritybreakthoughts Follow the show on your favorite platform: www.eosworldwide.com/htc This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
Are you building your company with a purpose, or because you need to prove someone wrong? Eric V. Holtzclaw built his career turning ideas into businesses: launching Liger Marketing (yes, that’s a Napoleon Dynamite reference), building a research company, and learning firsthand what happens when a founder’s ambition collides with a revenue ceiling. Having to figure out how to get out of a difficult partnership, while under serious pressure to keep growing, forced him to look inward and explore what it was he really wanted out of his business.  So, Eric sold Liger. But then, he watched the acquiring company lose a major client and decided to buy the business back. Suddenly, he found himself rebuilding around the clients and relationships that made the company valuable in the first place. Along the way, he had to confront a harder question: how much of his business identity was tied to proving that he could make something bigger? In this episode, you’ll hear how Eric is learning to separate independence from isolation, ambition from identity, and business growth from growth at any cost. His story takes you inside the emotional reality of entrepreneurship, from walking away from a misaligned partnership to resisting the lure of private equity and building Liger Marketing into the kind of lasting, partner-led firm he actually wants. What you’ll learn in this episode:  (01:11) Why Eric sold Liger, bought it back, and had to rebuild the company around its clients again. (02:06) How one major client loss inside the acquiring company forced Liger into a high-stakes reset. (05:21) Why revenue growth became Eric’s recurring ceiling, even when Liger could deliver at scale. (07:40) How misalignment between a growth-minded founder and a lifestyle-business partner can quietly stall a company for years. (08:22) Why Eric chose to sell his interest in his research business rather than force a broken partnership to continue. (13:06) Why entrepreneurs need to be brutally clear about whether they are building a lifestyle business or a growth business. (14:48) How Eric’s “rectify” and “magnify” framework reveals the emotional fuel behind many entrepreneurs and their founder identity. (23:53) Why Eric wants Liger Marketing to become a lasting, partner-led firm instead of another agency built for a private equity payday. Learn more about Eric V. Holtzclaw and Liger Marketing: https://www.ligerpartners.com/   Want to gain traction in your own company? As written about in the best-selling book, "Traction" by Gino Wickman, the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) helps entrepreneurial leadership teams clarify their vision, gain traction, and work together more effectively. Learn more at www.eosworldwide.com Want a little more clarity in your week? Sign up for Mark O'Donnell's Clarity Break Thoughts newsletter: www.eosworldwide.com/claritybreakthoughts Follow the show on your favorite platform: www.eosworldwide.com/htc This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
When does the drive to grow become a cover for ego, fear, or the need for recognition? Jonathan Reynolds built Titus Talent Strategies around a simple belief: the right people in the right seats can change everything, but as the company grew, the cracks started showing inside the leader himself. The pressure to know everyone, stay central, get credit, protect the culture, and keep growing exposed a deeper fear: what if Titus became healthier when it needed him less?  In this episode of Hitting the Ceiling, you’ll hear how Jonathan and Mark unpack founder ego, purpose, AI, automation, people-first leadership, and the Entrepreneurial Operating System®, a system for running your business or organization, as tools for becoming clear enough to lead without being the bottleneck. What you’ll learn in this episode:  (01:18) When the leader’s own seat becomes the ceiling the company has to break through. (02:36) How scaling a people-first company can create anxiety when you can no longer personally know everyone. (04:23) What it feels like when the company starts making decisions without you, and why that can hit your ego. (06:01) How to celebrate leaders you’ve developed without needing credit for everything they accomplish. (08:33) Why the hunger for legacy, recognition, and significance can quietly shape your leadership behavior. (12:52) What purpose reveals about the way people join, leave, and contribute to a company’s story. (29:12) How hidden founder motives can break trust when leaders say one thing but are building for something else. (41:14) How AI and automation can either threaten people or free them up for the deeply human work only they can do. (48:10) Why clarity breaks, honest reflection, and the Entrepreneurial Operating System® tools matter when you feel ready to quit. (51:54) How your stress as a leader can change the atmosphere for everyone around you. Learn more about Jonathan Reynolds and Titus Talent Strategies: https://www.titustalent.com/ Want to gain traction in your own company? As written about in the best-selling book, "Traction" by Gino Wickman, the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS®) helps entrepreneurial leadership teams clarify their vision, gain traction, and work together more effectively. Learn more at www.eosworldwide.com Want a little more clarity in your week? Sign up for Mark O'Donnell's Clarity Break Thoughts newsletter: www.eosworldwide.com/claritybreakthoughts Follow the show on your favorite platform: www.eosworldwide.com/htc This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
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