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Author: Pannonica Z Maruna

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Hosted by Pannonica Maruna, As It Turned Out is a career podcast about the messy, beautiful process of figuring it out as we go. We’re not here for perfect paths, we’re here for the moments of doubt, the big pivots, and the quiet wins that don’t make it onto LinkedIn. we’re talking about what it actually looks like to grow, adapt, and make your own way — one unexpected move at a time.

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NICK FUSELIER

NICK FUSELIER

2026-10-2237:03

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Nick Fuselier: a technology sales leader whose career has taken him from building teams at fast-growing startups to developing talent and leading business development at Adobe.We talk about helping grow a business development team from zero to twenty, the mentors who shaped his approach to leadership, and why choosing who you work for can be just as important as choosing the job itself. Nick also shares what makes candidates stand out in an AI-driven workplace, the power of following up, and what he learned about helping others succeed without expecting them to follow his exact path.Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.
ENZO ABBOTT

ENZO ABBOTT

2026-09-2134:23

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Enzo Abbott: a CU Boulder alum whose career took him from selling polos at Ralph Lauren to building a career in enterprise sales at some of the world’s largest technology companies.We talk about how his early experiences in retail prepared him for sales, the unexpected connection that helped him break into tech, and the lessons he learned along the way at NetSuite, Salesforce, and Oracle. Enzo also shares why curiosity and relationships matter, what it means to trust the process, and how staying open to opportunity can lead you somewhere you never planned.Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.
TODD DUTKIN

TODD DUTKIN

2026-08-2338:18

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Todd Dutkin: a business leader, entrepreneur, and professor whose career has been shaped by curiosity, growth, and the power of awe.From traveling the world at a young age to helping build a small food company into an industry leader, we talk about the unexpected experiences that shaped Todd’s journey, his approach to leadership and entrepreneurship, and why embracing the unknown can lead you somewhere better than you planned.Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.
TANYA FIRST

TANYA FIRST

2026-06-2931:10

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Tanya First, Vice President of Field Operations at Buffalo Exchange; a leader passionate about people, mentorship, and building a career with purpose.We talk through the experiences that shaped her journey, the unexpected turns along the way, and what leadership looks like after nearly 30 years of growing within one company.Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.
JOHN STERLING

JOHN STERLING

2026-06-0128:23

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with John Sterling: an environmental leader and advocate passionate about conservation, community, and creating meaningful impact.We talk through the experiences that shaped his journey, the unexpected turns along the way, and what leadership looks like when your work is driven by purpose.Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.
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