Deconstruction Workers

Flamy Grant (God's Favorite Drag Queen)Flamy Grant made drag history in 2023 when her debut album Bible Belt Baby reached #1 on the iTunes Christian music charts and she was suddenly in Rolling Stone and People. We talked about growing up Dobson, slaying shame, and how evangelicalism is like living in the Truman Show dome.https://www.flamygrant.com/

Trevor Poelman is a former youth pastor turned atheist filmmaker who created the Belief it or Not Podcast in 2018. He also wrote and directed two critically acclaimed plays at the Toronto Fringe Festival. Trevor and I talk about how we met on Facebook when he was still a believer, the significance of the family scapegoat, and the role that heartbreak plays in chronic pain.www.beliefitornot.com

Esther Loopstra is a preacher's kid who survived her childhood using pattern recognition and creativity. Now she's a commercial illustrator and instructor using the neuroscience of creativity to inform her coaching and workshops. We talked about childhood suicidal ideation, not being allowed to listen to non-Christian music, and the direct correlation between the two.Her book "Think Like an Artist, Create Like a Mathematician: Harness Logic and Intuition To Find Your Flow And Step Into Who You Are Becoming" is out in November. She co-hosts The Flow Into Authenticity Podcast with her co-author, Allison Henrich.https://www.flowintoauthenticity.com/

Timothy Schraeder Rodriguez used to do social media for megachurches who told him to not tell anyone about his orientation. After eight years in conversion therapy he wrote a book called Conversion Therapy Dropout. Even though conversion therapy is illegal in several states it's still happening under different names. Tim told me about when he realized silence is complicity and how he moved through it.http://www.timothysrodriguez.com/

Joon (JS) Park is a hospital chaplain who regularly sees a lot that keeps him in the deconstruction cycle. His books and online presence are vulnerable in a way we don't often see. We talked about privilege and addiction to certainty and how to break cycles as a parent.https://jspark3000.com/