That Said with Talia Schlanger

A decade after The Tragically Hip's unforgettable final concert with Gord Downie, Rob Baker and Paul Langlois look back on one of the most emotional moments in Canadian music history. Freshly inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame, the band's longtime guitarists reflect on saying goodbye to their friend and bandmate Gord, the pressure and purpose of that final tour, and the enduring mystery of Gord's songwriting.Then, for Article Club, Anishinaabe scholar and writer Riley Yesno joins Talia to discuss her Walrus article, A Fundamental Aspect of Reconciliation: Giving Back Stolen Land. Ahead of Truth and Reconciliation Day, Riley examines Canada's progress on the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's Calls to Action, the meaning of "land back," and the lasting impact of Gord Downie's advocacy for Indigenous peoples.A conversation about music, memory, reconciliation, and what it means to leave a legacy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

What does Survivor reveal about human nature — and what happens when reality TV becomes more real than we expect?This week, Talia Schlanger sits down with two-time Survivor contestant, fan favourite, and author Stephen Fishbach. From the psychological toll of voting people out to the complicated ethics of reality television, Fishbach reflects on what it's really like to compete on one of the most influential shows of the last 25 years. He also shares a pivotal moment in the show that inspired him to finally pursue his dream of writing fiction, leading to his debut novel, Escape.Then for Article Club, Danielle Lindemann joins Talia to discuss her Globe and Mail article: How Survivor changed television - and our culture - forever. It's an exploration of Survivor's cultural legacy and the enduring appeal of watching strangers navigate trust, betrayal, power, and belonging on television. Why are we so drawn to reality TV? What does it reveal about us? And where's the line between entertainment and exploitation? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

For years, Rick Campanelli has been one of Canada's most recognizable TV personalities—charming audiences on MuchMusic, ET Canada, and now Breakfast Television. But behind the scenes, he was fighting a secret gambling addiction that threatened his career, finances, relationships, and future. In this candid conversation, Rick opens up like never before in his new memoir, Tempted, about the highs, the devastating lows, getting arrested, hitting rock bottom, and the people who helped pull him back. Then on Article Club, award-winning actor, musician and writer Rebecca Auerbach discusses her moving CBC essay about sobriety, healing, and how a 100-pound German Shepherd named Archer helped her find purpose, routine, and a new way forward after addiction. Two powerful stories about recovery, resilience, and the people—and pets—who help us find our way back.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

As summer draws to a close, the season has offered powerful reminders of nature's force—from extreme heat to devastating wildfires. In this episode of That Said, Talia Schlanger speaks with two extraordinary guests whose lives have been shaped by deep, transformative relationships with the natural world.First, author and journalist Trina Moyles joins us to discuss her book Black Bear and the article she adapted for The Walrus, What a Standoff with a Black Bear Taught Me About Life in Northern Alberta. Trina shares how a chance encounter with a black bear evolved from fear into fascination, challenging everything she thought she knew about coexistence, risk, and the wilderness. Then, Talia speaks with legendary mountaineer Mingma Tsiri Sherpa, who has summited Mount Everest an astonishing 19 times. Widely regarded as one of the world's greatest high-altitude climbers, Mingma recounts surviving the catastrophic 2015 Nepal earthquake while on Everest and explains why, after retiring from the mountain, he felt compelled to make one final climb—not for glory, but to recover the bodies of fellow Sherpas who never made it home. His story is featured in the powerful documentary Everest Dark.Together, these conversations explore courage, loss, fear, stewardship, and the profound respect required to live alongside forces much larger than ourselves.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

 What can the animals living alongside us teach us about the future of our planet? Author and social epidemiologist Dan Werb joins Talia Schlanger to discuss his bestselling book Our Wild Familiars: How Animals Are Adapting to Cities and Reshaping the Natural World. From raccoons to rats to coyotes to baboons, Dan explores the surprising ways animals are adapting to human environments—and why understanding them may be essential to conservation, climate resilience, and our own survival. Together, they examine what city-dwelling wildlife reveals about the changing relationship between humans and the natural world.And for Article Club, Talia talks to behavioural neuroscientist Kelly Lambert about her article on Jimothy, the raccoon who captured the internet's attention after surviving against extraordinary odds. Using Jimothy's story as a starting point, Kelly explores animal intelligence, resilience, and the remarkable role mothers play in helping young animals navigate the challenges of life in the wild.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.