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The most entertaining and enraging stories from mythology told casually, contemporarily, and (let's be honest) sarcastically. Greek and Roman gods did some pretty weird (and awful) things. Liv focuses on Greek and Roman mythology's (mis)treatment of women, the wild things the gods did, and the all around incredible minds of the ancient world. Gods, goddesses, heroes, monsters, and everything in between. Regular episodes every Tuesday, conversations with authors and scholars or readings of ancient epics every Friday.
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A brief look at the causes behind the societal collapse of the Bronze Age Mediterranean. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: The Landmark Thucydides edited by Robert B. Strassler, translated by Richard Crawley; The Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean edited by Eric H. Cline; 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed by Eric Cline.
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1Liv is joined by Joel Christensen to talk all things oral storytelling, the tradition, theories on its origins, and how the Iliad and the Odyssey intersect with their ancient origins. Read more from Joel on Sententiae Antiquae. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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A brief look at the wider Mediterranean during the Bronze Age and their interactions with Greece (mostly... the Evidence For Troy). Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, translated by Richard Crawley; The Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean edited by Eric H. Cline; Eric H. Cline, 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed; Damien Stone, The Hittites: Lost Civilizations
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Liv is joined by Dr Kim Shelton to dive deeper into the real world of Bronze Age Mycenae and all we've learned from what they left behind. Learn more about Dr Shelton's work here.
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CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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Continuing on with the Bronze Age history of Greece, a look at the famed Mycenaeans, the historical origins behind the mythic heroes of Homer. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: The Landmark Thucydides edited by Robert B. Strassler, translated by Richard Crawley; The Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean edited by Eric H. Cline; Rodney Castleden's Mycenaeans; Alkestis Papadimitriou and Elsi Spathari's Mycenae: A journey in the World of Agamemnon.
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A (very brief) history of the Minoan people of Bronze Age Crete. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: The Landmark Thucydides edited by Robert B. Strassler, translated by Richard Crawley; The Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean edited by Eric H. Cline; Rodney Castleden's “Minoans: Life in Bronze Age Crete”; Nicoletta Momigliano's “In Search of the Labyrinth: The Cultural Legacy of Minoan Crete”.
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Introducing: the Bronze Age Collapse series. Today, grounding ourselves in a world so far removed from the ancient Greece and its mythic history. Friday, we visit Crete and the Minoans. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: The Landmark Thucydides edited by Robert B. Strassler, translated by Richard Crawley; The Oxford Handbook of the Bronze Age Aegean edited by Eric H. Cline; Rodney Castleden's “Minoans: Life in Bronze Age Crete”; Nicoletta Momigliano's “In Search of the Labyrinth: The Cultural Legacy of Minoan Crete”.
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Liv is joined by Cosi Carnegie to talk all things horny (boob cups! the threat of a sexual woman! all the erotic pottery you can imagine!) Follow Cosi on Instagram; read more from her; and learn more about Propylaea Productions! Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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The first recorded author in all of human history was a woman, a high priestess, her name was Enheduanna. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: The Complete Poems of Enheduanna, the World's First Author by Sophus Helle; Enheduanna.org. Things The Mesopotamians Did First; Very Baseline Ancient Iraq Bits: Wikipedia: Akkadian Empire; Mesopotamia.
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Coming soon... Let's Talk About Myths, Baby!'s next big special research series is the Bronze Age Collapse. Who were the cultures thriving in the Bronze Age Mediterranean, and what caused them to collapse entirely? Episodes start April 2, 2024 and run through the month!
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Liv reads Book 3 of the Fall of Troy, translated by AS Way. After the death of Penthesilea, Memnon, and the Greek Antilochus, Apollo takes his anger out on Achilles. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
This is not a standard narrative story episode, it's a reading of an ancient source, audiobook style. For regular episodes look for any that don't have "Liv Reads..." in the title! For a list of Roman/Latin names and who they were in the Greek, visit: mythsbaby.com/names
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To accompany the most recent episode on Hetairai and sex work in ancient Greece, these are selections from my 2023 episodes with Dr Melissa Funke, on Phryne, and Dr Rebecca Futo Kennedy, on foreign women in Athens. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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A little look into the lives of ancient Greek sex workers, particularly two Hetairai, Phryne and Rhodopis, whose accomplishments achieved them 2300+ years long legacies. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: Phryne: A Life in Fragments by Melissa Funke; Love in Ancient Greece by Robert Flaceliere; Herodotus' Histories, translated by GC Macauley; Aphrodite by Monica Cyrino (the Nossis poem is found here); Goddesses, Whores, Wives, and Slaves: Women in Antiquity by Sarah B Pomeroy; Venus and Aphrodite by Bettany Hughes; Diodorus Siculus and Strabo, from the Topostext entry on Rhodopis.
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Liv speaks with "The Artemis Expert" Dr Carla Ionescu, about Artemis, bears, goddess worship, and so much more (because Liv has ADHD, you know the drill). Find Carla on Instagram, Twitter, and at the Artemis Centre. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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Ovid's version of Medusa is by far the most common, but what if it's also the most misogynist? Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: Ovid's Metamorphsoes, translations by Stephanie McCarter and Allen Mandelbaum; WorldHistory.org; a simple Google search for 'Medusa'.
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Liv speaks with returning guest Julia Perroni about a queer theory reading of Circe in Homer's Odyssey and the ways she works outside the many binaries. Find more from Julia here! Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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Goddesses doing it for themselve: parthenogenic births, goddess figurines of the Bronze Age, and theories of goddess history in Hesiod's Theogony. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Sources: Charlotte, the Parthenogenic Stingray; Theoi.com; Hesiod's Theogony translated by HG Evelyn-White; Goddesses, Wives, Whores, and Slaves: Women in Antiquity by Sarah B Pomeroy.
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Liv speaks with author Ioanna Papadapoulou about Greece in myth retellings, the goddess Demeter and her rage, and Ioanna's novel, Winter Harvest. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
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Liv reads Quintus Smyrnaeus' The Fall of Troy, translated by AS Way. In the only surviving source retelling the end of the Trojan War, Troy reels after the Amazon Penthesilea's death. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content!
This is not a standard narrative story episode, it's a reading of an ancient source, audiobook style. For regular episodes look for any that don't have "Liv Reads..." in the title! For a list of Roman/Latin names and who they were in the Greek, visit: mythsbaby.com/names
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THE SYMPOSIUM OF THE CAESARS. Written by the Roman emperor Julian.
Translated from the ancient Greek and directed by Jeremy Swist. Recorded by Jeremy Swist and fellow cast members. Recordings engineered by Christopher Swist at Evenfall Studio in Spofford, New Hampshire, USA. Produced in loving memory of Lawrence P. Swist. Find further details on the production here.
DRAMATIS PERSONAE in order of appearance:
Jeremy Swist as EMPEROR JULIANLiv Albert as the EMPEROR’S COMPANIONChristopher Polt as SILENUSToph Marshall as APOLLO and HELIOSEmma Pauly as DIONYSUSMarios Koutsoukos as ZEUSAneirin Pendragon as HERMESFiona Radford as LADY JUSTICEKatherine Lu Hsu as HERACLESPeta Greenfield as ROMULUS-QUIRINUSJay Bregman as CRONUSPrincess O’Nika Auguste as POSEIDONLea Niccolai as JULIUS CAESARMeg Finlayson as ALEXANDER THE GREATDraken Garfinkel as OCTAVIAN AUGUSTUSAlberto Quiroga-Puertas as TRAJANMark Masterson as MARCUS AURELIUSCharlotte Naylor Davis as CONSTANTINEDaniel Munn as JESUS
SETTINGThe imperial palace of Antioch, on a mid-December evening in the year 362 of the Common Era, the 1,115th year from the founding of Rome.
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I'm so baffled by the incels in these comments. Being a feminist means believing men and women deserve to be treated with equal respect. How tf could anyone argue against that? And for everyone whinging about it, imagine how tired women feel
semi related Nemisis fact: there was a shrine to her in the Roman Amphitheatre in Chester. Chester is a city in northern England that still has it's Roman walls. It is speculated to have been intended to become the capital of the British isles, or at least a staging post for the conquest of Ireland.
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This book was such a disappointment to me for much the same reasons you gave. I was so excited about it…and it was such nonsense. I’m glad to hear I’m not alone as almost everyone I have spoken to thinks it’s great. I hated almost everything about it. 🤷🏼♀️
Whether or not Euripides added the epilogue is something we may never know definitively. However, two earlier versions of the story, one from the Cypria and one from Hesiod's Catalog of Women, do not end with the death of Iphigenia by sacrificial blade on the altar at Aulis. The Cypria fragment 1 from the synopsis in Proclus' "Chrestomathia" says: "When the expedition had mustered a second time at Aulis, Agamemnon, while at the chase, shot a stag and boasted that he surpassed even Artemis. At this the goddess was so angry that she sent stormy winds and prevented them from sailing. Calchas then told them of the anger of the goddess and bade them sacrifice Iphigeneia to Artemis. This they attempt to do, sending to fetch Iphigeneia as though for marriage with Achilles. Artemis, however, snatched her away and transported her to the Tauri, making her immortal, and putting a stag in place of the girl upon the altar." Note that this took place the 2nd time the fleet mustered at Aulis. And th
Partheneion is a song/poem to be sung by a chorus of young, unmarried girls. The etymology is from the Greek word for virgin, (Παρθένος Parthenos). The Parthenon is named for the virgin goddess Athena, who like Hestia and Artemis, were perpetual virgins.
One of the reasons the Spartan men "loved" to sing and dance was because music enhanced the precision of their hoplite phalanx formation. On the battlefield they marched together singing in unison to inspire morale and patriotic emotions. And a piper played the aulos to keep time as they moved and turned in lock step. They drilled and practiced to the same music. The role of the Spartan king on military campaigns was to perform religious sacrifices and decide whether or not the signs were auspicious for a Spartan victory. If they were not, the Spartans did not fight that day. While Plutarch may have relied on the Roman re-creation of ancient Spartan practices for his Life of Lycurgus, it is also likely that he relied on other sources which are now lost. Scholars estimate that only 10% of the writings from archaic, classical and Hellenistic Greece have survived to our time. So let's not be too quick to disparage Plutarch. Xenophon wrote the Polity of the Lacedaemonians, a treatise/book
stop with the feministic victim bs already...we don't care about slanted views of reality. just stick with mythology
I looked up the statue that you mentioned in the podcast and from what I saw in the pictures it is really beautiful I can just imagine how beautiful it would be in person definitely going to be on my bucket list now oh and by the way I love the podcast I just found it today and I've been listening to it Non-Stop
Liv, your take is rubbish.
Excellent! and the poem at the end, the best!
Episode 367 on Alcestis was amazing- insightful, funny, and full of historical information. I would like to add that Alcestis in my opinion was definitely a satyr play. Satyr plays were first and foremost comedies. Typically they had a bawdy theme, with humor that appealed to men. After all the audience, the actors, chorus and playwrights were all men. So let's have a lot of jokes about dicks and then let's go get drunk. But this subversive play is a satire. It makes fun of the gods, Apollo and the Fates break all the rules and allow Admetus to live beyond his fated time to die. It allows Heracles to beat Death ( the god Thanatos) and Hades to yield back a person who did die. While men were supposed to protect their families with their very lives, here Admetus allows his wife to die in his stead. He now must take on the role of mother of his children. Respect for one's father was a basic tenet of Greek culture. But Admetus expects his shocked indignant and very unwilling father to die
This episode on the Orphic tradition is not Liz's finest hour. It casts more shade than light.