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Unscripted. Uncensored. Undeniably data!
The podcast where data dreams get real! We're breaking down the secrets of data brilliance, diving into the messy & magical moments of data life, from AI to simple reporting, sales and data careers. Nothings off the table! Join us for stories, insights & a few laughs with innovators from around the world. If you're ready to unmask the data game, this one’s for you!
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Summary
In this episode, Steve Holley, a Tableau Solutions Engineer at Salesforce, shares insights on the evolving landscape of headless analytics and AI, the importance of trust and governance in data, and how organizations can adapt to rapid technological change.
Keywords
Data Analytics, Headless AI, Tableau, Salesforce, Data Governance, AI in Business, Data Transformation, Analytics Tools, Data Strategy key topics Headless analytics and AI Data governance and trust Real-time data insights and alerts Semantic models and data sources Organizational change management in data guest name Steve Holley
Titles
The Future of Headless Analytics and AI in Business
How Salesforce is Shaping Headless Data Solutions
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Undubbed Podcast
02:00 Meet Steve Holley: Tableau Solutions Engineer
03:11 The Impact of AI on Data Interaction
03:28 Understanding Headless Analytics and AI
06:54 The Role of Dashboards in Data Analysis
09:56 Trust and Accuracy in AI Insights
15:16 Live Demo: Data Interaction in Slack
19:51 Understanding Dashboard Insights
21:41 Identifying At-Risk Accounts
23:33 Defining Business Rules and Context
25:49 The Role of Data Professionals
30:10 Adapting to New Data Workflows
33:31 Change Management in Data Analysis
35:31 Taking Action on Insights
41:11 Learning from Others in the Community resources Salesforce
Links
Official Website - https://www.salesforce.com/
Tableau Official Website - https://www.tableau.com/
Y, W A I I - Knowledge Mapping Tool - https://www.ywaii.com/
Steve's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/steveholley/
Steve's Twitter - https://twitter.com/steveholley
Episode Summary
Dive into the evolving world of data, AI, and analytics with Will Pitzler, Director of Product Management at Tableau. This episode explores how Tableau is breaking down barriers to make insights accessible across platforms, the importance of governance, and what it actually takes to become a data-driven organisation.
In this episode, you'll learn about:
● Why leading LLMs scored just 6% on a Yale benchmark testing real enterprise databases and what that means for your AI strategy ● The role of composable data sources, the most requested feature in Tableau's history, and what they unlock for data teams ● How Tableau insights are now accessible directly inside Google Sheets, PowerPoint, Google Slides, and Word ● The uncomfortable questions around PII, data sovereignty, and governance when using MCP and third-party AI tools ● The Open Semantic Interchange initiative, what it is, why it matters, and how far away a real standard actually is ● What data leaders should actually do before their next AI project kicks off
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and welcome
01:22 - Will's background and role at Tableau
03:31 - Why TC26 felt different, the return to the practitioner
06:00 - The developer spectrum and Tableau's broad user base
06:30 - Tableau through the Salesforce acquisition, what's changed and what hasn't
09:42 - TC26 comes to Sydney, bringing the insights to local customers
10:32 - The Yale Spider 2.0 benchmark and the 6% problem
13:50 - Why context is everything for LLMs in enterprise environments
15:18 - PII, data sovereignty, and the governance gap in AI and MCP
18:08 - What data leaders are actually telling Will on the ground
19:39 - Open Semantic Interchange, the industry's attempt at a common standard
21:17 - Two schools of thought on how Tableau handles semantic layers
23:23 - Delegated semantics, Tableau's interim approach
26:06 - How the data market has gone in circles, monolithic to modern and back again
28:30 - Composable data sources, the most requested feature in Tableau's history
33:10 - Governance and ways of working as teams move faster
35:25 - The last mile problem, insights shouldn't live only inside Tableau
38:44 - Staying in the flow, self-service where people actually work
39:32 - The tension between AI text outputs and data visualisation
42:02 - Demo begins, third party integrations overview
44:38 - Demo: Tableau inside PowerPoint
46:09 - The timestamp feature and refreshing slides on demand
47:19 - Salesforce internal use case, automating operational reporting
50:40 - Why live dashboards weren't the answer
52:06 - Demo: Tableau inside Google Sheets
55:27 - Using published data sources in Google Sheets
56:58 - Licensing and permissions
57:22 - Pushing data back into Tableau from Google Sheets
59:48 - The Henry Ford problem, what customers say vs. what they need
1:02:28 - Closing question: What should a data leader actually do?
1:03:16 - Where to find Will
1:03:38 - Fi and Sarah's closing takeaways
Resources & Links:
Connect with Will on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-pitzler-603b915b/
Spider 2.0 Benchmark, Yale https://spider2-sql.github.io/
Tableau Add-on for Google Workspace https://www.tableau.com/blog/improve-collaboration-tableau-google-workspace
Tableau App for Microsoft 365 https://www.tableau.com/blog/meet-tableau-app-for-microsoft-365-word-powerpoint-teams
Summary
Fresh from Tableau Conference 2026, Fi and Sarah sit down with Kirk and Candi Munroe - co-founders of Paint with Data, a Tableau consultancy and Salesforce partner based in Canada - to unpack what's actually coming for Tableau and what it means for the people making decisions about their data teams.
Kirk brings 25 years in business analytics, a newly minted Tableau Visionary title, as well as a Tableau Ambassador and a book on data modelling in Tableau. Candi is a Visual Analytics specialist, four-time Tableau User Group Ambassador, and heads up the Canada Tableau User Group. Between them, they've seen every era of Tableau - and they're genuinely excited about this one.
The conversation covers Tableau Solve and its write-back and forecasting potential, the Viz layers that will let you layer multiple data sources on a single chart axis, composable data sources and why they're the missing piece in Tableau's semantic layer story, agentic analytics and what it actually takes to make natural language querying work in practice, Tableau MCP - including a cautionary tale about a CPM field that cost 58 cents a query - and what the Devs on Stage roadmap means for the data leaders who need to decide what comes next for their teams.
Takeaways
Tableau Solve productionises record-level triage and forecasting - and write-back is finally coming, with Kirk calling it "way, way, way overdue"
Chart Layers will allow multiple data sources to sit on the same XY axis without any joining, opening up time series comparisons and complex formatting that previously required workarounds
Tableau Server is getting genuine love - including LLM features - signalling that Tableau sees it as a long-term platform, not a migration waiting to happen
Composable data sources let analysts extend a published data source on the fly without touching the original, and because everything is relationship-based, nothing already built gets broken
Well-governed, well-commented data sources are now a prerequisite for agentic analytics - without them, the AI will guess wrong and cost you money (Kirk's CPM example is a must-hear)
Tableau MCP is already live, easy to set up in Claude Desktop in under three minutes, and keeps row-level security intact - but you need your own personal access token, not a service account
AI-assisted field descriptions get you 90-95% of the way there - the blank box problem is real, and the AI solves it
The Tableau Desktop Authoring API is in its third release, and style guide automation - padding, corner rounding, colour palette - is close
Headless BI and Slack-first data experiences are coming, and they matter most for the people who will never naturally log into Tableau
Data leaders should position themselves as connective glue across departments - spotting correlations between silos that no single team can see
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Tableau Conference 2026 Highlights
01:52 Meet the Experts: Kirk and Candi
03:32 Exciting Announcements from TC26
05:40 Tableau Solve: Enhancements and Features
07:52 The Importance of Write-Back Functionality
09:31 Map and Chart Layers: A New Era in Visualization
11:51 Tableau Server vs. Tableau Cloud: The Future
13:19 Tab Move: Streamlining the Transition to Cloud
15:05 Accessibility Features in Tableau
15:18 Composable Data Sources: Unlocking New Potential
20:47 Optimizing Data Integration in Tableau
22:17 The Future of Composable Data Sources
24:22 Leveraging AI for Data Management
26:30 The Role of AI in Data Exploration
26:31 Understanding Agentic Analytics
29:52 Implementing Tableau MCP Effectively
34:24 Designing for Consistency in Data Visualization
36:54 Evolving Data Governance and Ethics
38:31 Exploring New Features in Tableau
39:08 The Future of Data Integration and Collaboration
48:26 Building a Data-Driven Organization
50:41 The Role of Data Leaders as Consultants
Links
Kirk Munroe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirkmunroe/
Candi Munroe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candimunroe/
Paint with Data: https://paintwithdata.com
Paint with Data Blog: https://www.paintwithdata.com/blog
Data Modeling with Tableau by Kirk Munroe: https://www.amazon.com/Data-Modeling-Tableau-practical-building/dp/1803248025
Kirk Munroe on the Flerlage Twins blog: https://www.flerlagetwins.com/2023/01/data-.html
TC26 Devs on Stage: https://www.salesforce.com/plus/experience/tableau_conference_2026/series/tableau_conference_2026_highlights/episode/episode-s1e25
Watch TC26 on demand: https://www.salesforce.com/plus/experience/tableau_conference_2026
Fi Crocker on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ficrocker/
Sarah Burnett on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sezbee/
Keywords
Tableau Conference 2026, TC26, Tableau Solve, composable data sources, agentic analytics, Tableau MCP, Viz layers, chart layers, write-back Tableau, Tableau Visionary, data governance, Tableau Cloud, Tableau Server, AI in Tableau, semantic layer Tableau, data leadership, data leaders, Paint with Data, Kirk Munroe, Candi Munroe, Tableau data modelling, headless BI, Slack analytics, Tableau Desktop Authoring API, row-level security, Tableau prep, published data sources, Dub Dub Data, unDUBBED podcast
Summary
Fresh off the stage at Tableau Conference 2026, Sarah Burnett and Fiona Crocker bring their live TC26 session straight to the unDUBBED audience. Their session was called Building a Data Culture with Datafluencers, and the whole premise is this: the best data work in most organisations will never be seen - not because it isn't good enough, but because nobody told the story.
They walk through why brilliant work disappears, who is responsible for fixing it, and the practical tools to start changing that this week. The centrepiece is the seven-part data story arc, walked through using Freshmart, a fictional wholesale food chain where waste was above target despite accurate data and capable teams.
Whether you're a data analyst whose work isn't getting the recognition it deserves, a manager trying to build a data culture, or someone who's ever built a dashboard that nobody used - this episode is for you.
Takeaways
The gap between delivery and adoption is where great data work disappears - and it's a storytelling problem, not a data problem
Great work goes invisible for three reasons: no channel, no story, and no leaders to promote it
A Datafluencer isn't a job title - it's a set of behaviours that makes work visible, shareable, and heard
The seven-part data story arc gives a repeatable structure: hook, problem, insight, solution, result, learning, call to action
One dashboard reframe - not a rebuild - saved Freshmart 2.4 tonnes of waste and $672,000 in annualised costs in six weeks
A public data wins channel builds culture over time - people stop lurking and start contributing when the space feels worth being in
Amplification is the step most people skip - make it one click for your manager, then prompt them to take it higher
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Data Culture and Datafluencers
01:24 Understanding Why Data Work Goes Invisible
03:19 The Role of Datafluencers in Amplifying Work
05:39 Framework for Effective Data Storytelling
08:10 Building a Winning Channel for Data
10:56 Amplification and Cultural Impact of Data
13:43 Conclusion and Call to Action
Links
Data Fluencer Toolkit - https://www.dubdubdata.com/offers/iU2dFRBd/checkout
Fi Crocker on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ficrocker/
Sarah Burnett on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sezbee/
Keywords
data culture, Datafluencer, data storytelling, data visibility, Tableau Conference 2026, TC26, data story arc, dashboard adoption, seen heard promoted, data leadership
In this episode of unDUBBED, we’re joined by Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic, founder of Storytelling with Data and one of the most influential voices in data storytelling and data visualisation.
Cole shares practical, real-world insights on why data often fails to drive decisions - even when the analysis is right - and how to shift from simply showing data to actually influencing outcomes.
From her journey through banking and Google’s People Analytics team to building a global data storytelling movement, this conversation is packed with actionable techniques to help you communicate data with clarity, purpose, and impact.
🔑 Main Topics
Why data fails to drive decisions - and how to fix it
The shift from showing data to explaining data
Audience-first thinking in data storytelling
Structuring communication using the narrative arc
The role of iteration, feedback, and time in crafting data stories
When to use dashboards vs storytelling
The risks and realities of AI in data visualisation
📌 In This Episode
Cole’s journey from banking to Google and founding Storytelling with Data
How data visualisation became a critical business communication skill
Why designing for yourself (not your audience) is the biggest mistake in data
The difference between exploring data vs explaining data
How to use titles, annotations, and contrast to guide attention
The power of low-fidelity prototyping and iteration for alignment
Why most data presentations follow a “selfish” structure - and how to fix it
Using the narrative arc to create tension and drive action
How to develop a clear “Big Idea” before building anything
The role of AI in data storytelling - speed vs risk, and hallucinations
Common chart mistakes, including unnecessary detail and poor audience focus
⏱️ Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to data storytelling with Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic
02:12 - Cole's journey from banking to data visualization at Google
03:45 - The importance of clear visual communication in business
06:46 - Teaching data visualization at Google and creating impact
08:45 - The storytelling ecosystem: books, workshops, community
10:48 - Making data concepts accessible and engaging
13:33 - The collaborative process behind “Storytelling with Data: Before and After”
17:17 - The power of the “before and after” in data improvement
18:10 - The storytelling process as a “glow up” for data
19:01 - Tools and techniques for rapid prototyping and iteration
20:41 - Strategies for understanding the audience and customizing communication
23:52 - Using low-tech methods for stakeholder alignment
27:03 - Balancing detail with clarity: avoiding overwhelm
29:54 - Differentiating between storytelling and dashboards
33:10 - Structuring data communication as a narrative arc
36:39 - The importance of concise messaging and annotations
46:16 - Layering information to enhance understanding
50:52 - Developing the “Big Idea”: clear, impactful core message
55:43 - The role of AI and machine-generated charts in modern data storytelling
64:10 - Common chart crimes and things to stop doing
64:47 - Final takeaways: prioritize audience understanding and time
66:09 - Resources, books, and ways to connect with Cole
🔗 Resources & Links
Storytelling with Data → https://www.storytellingwithdata.com
Storytelling with Data: Before and After (book) → https://www.storytellingwithdata.com/before-and-after
Daphne Draws Data → https://daphnedrawsdata.com
Tableau → https://www.tableau.com
Figma → https://www.figma.com
AI tools → https://claude.ai | https://chat.openai.com
🔗 Connect with Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic
LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/colenussbaumerknaflic
Website → https://www.storytellingwithdata.com
🧠 Key Takeaways
Data alone doesn’t drive decisions - clear communication does
If your audience doesn’t know what to do, your data has failed
Start with the audience and the action, not the analysis
Use storytelling to create tension, clarity, and direction
AI can accelerate workflows - but human judgment remains critical




