🎙️ Business Transformation Podcast – Episode #43
People Science Over Process: The No-Nonsense Truth About Change Management with Ron Leeman

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👇 LISTEN TO THIS if you’re in change, transformation, or leadership! 👇

In this no-BS, high-value episode, Heath Gascoigne sits down with Ron Leeman — the legendary change manager with 40+ years of global experience — to unpack the myths, truths, and overlooked realities of driving transformation that sticks.

From the fallacy of the “70% failure rate” to why “people science” is the future of change, this conversation is jam-packed with war stories, practical wisdom, and takeaways every transformation leader needs to hear.

🧠 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
00:00 - Intro: Who is Ron Leeman?
03:00 - Surviving Ponzi schemes, transformation war stories, and global experience
10:00 - Why industry-specific experience in change is overrated
18:00 - The rise of AI in change management – and the risks of blind adoption
23:00 - People Science vs. People Side: The evolution of change thinking
31:00 - Sponsors, vision, and why your business case is NOT a one-off document
42:00 - Measuring success: Ron’s take on balanced business scorecards
50:00 - Transformation vs. Change – are we just relabeling?
58:00 - Final advice: What Ron would do differently (so you don’t have to)

💡 Whether you’re a consultant, change lead, C-suite exec, or just getting started, this is your shortcut to decades of lived experience.

📣 About Ron Leeman:
Ron is an award-winning global change expert, speaker, trainer, and founder of The Highway of Change. Based in Thailand, he’s delivered change programs across Europe, Asia, and the US in over 25 industries — from government and pharmaceuticals to construction and banking.

🌐 Connect with Ron:
🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronleeman/
📚 Website: https://www.thehighwayofchange.com

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