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029 《一战再战》:香香鸡之味

029 《一战再战》:香香鸡之味

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【本期内容】

保罗·托马斯·安德森执导的《一战再战》上映后在美国本土以及海外市场引发了热烈的讨论,一个十分有趣的现象就是,不同政治光谱的观众似乎都从这部电影中解读出了符合自身价值观的信息。在我们三位主播都看完这部话题之作后,我们坐在一起展开了一场马拉松式酣畅淋漓的大讨论(录音文件长达五小时,成片三个半小时,剪辑量相当于平时的五期节目),尽我们所能地梳理了意涵极其丰富的作品,并慢慢理解了它何以让我们如此感动。敬请收听!

【聊天的人】

浔阳:“阳老师”。类人生物,累人生物。

Max:“麦教授”。一个抛砖的人。

小海:一个生活在别处的得州老父亲。

本期封面设计:Ponty

【时间轴】

00:00:00 片头曲:Jonny Greenwood,One Battle After Another

00:02:45 剧透警告

00:03:23 看完一部好电影,让人不想回家,只想走路

00:04:37 革命没有结束

00:07:13 插曲:Gil Scott-Heron, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

00:08:33 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Guitar for Willa

00:10:19 历史没有终结

00:10:41 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Trio for Willa

00:11:42 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Guitar for Willa

00:14:00 虽然很累,看完之后还是多走了几个街区

00:15:54 PTA真的想要嘲笑身份政治吗?

00:18:50 性少数群体在影视作品中的形象变化

00:20:51 “外星人在召唤”

00:23:24 原住民Avanti

00:28:28 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Avanti Q

00:30:39 交叉性理论

00:36:41 帕菲迪亚和洛克乔互为镜像……吗?

00:38:36 左派的政治光谱是极其复杂的

00:42:37 性别角色倒转

00:46:02 故事的“不归点”

00:46:38 聊聊帕菲迪亚

00:51:15 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Perfidia Beverly Hills

00:55:23 女性的暴力渴望

00:59:29 众生平等

01:02:47 聊聊洛克乔

01:03:36 右翼思想也是很复杂的

01:07:32 不能把洛克乔当成一个心智健全的人去理解

01:14:35 种族主义者的毒气室与焚化炉

01:15:57 洛克乔被霸凌过的可能性

01:28:26 聊聊鲍勃

01:30:06 他没有抛弃革命语言

01:32:12 插曲:Gil Scott-Heron, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

01:34:56 鲍勃是导演自况

01:42:14 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Trio for Willa

01:52:27 “父亲救女”模式的反写

02:06:06 帕菲迪亚给薇拉的信是真是假

02:13:44 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Trio for Willa

02:08:53 读信是烂尾吗?

02:15:05 左翼议题几十年来有变化和推进吗?

02:19:07 民主制度与自由平等相互成就也自相矛盾

02:19:57 郑智化

02:31:21 认清幻想,放弃现实

02:38:28 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Guitar for Willa

02:38:36 这不是一个政治电影

02:43:52 插曲:Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, American Girl

02:44:49 它就是美国本身

02:45:41 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Guitar for Willa

02:52:59 插曲:Steely Dan, Dirty Work

02:53:14 加入了呼吸

02:55:17 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Guitar for Willa

02:56:06 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Like Tom Fkn Cruise

03:00:19 插曲:Ella Fitzgerald, Hark! The Herald Angels Sing (Remastered)

03:02:40 韦斯安德森的影子

03:03:45 《空山灵雨》

03:03:47 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Ocean Waves

03:07:06 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Trio for Willa

03:10:24 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, Guitar for Willa

03:10:32 不满意的地方

03:16:05 现实中美国左派

03:23:37 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, One Battle After Another

03:23:58 向着同样的一条大河贡献自己微薄的一碗水

03:25:16 插曲:Jonny Greenwood, One Battle After Another

03:27:42 越办越好

03:28:03 片尾曲:Gil Scott-Heron, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

【参考链接】

Derek Jacobs的《〈一战再战〉:一场对两极分化的彻底讽刺》("One Battle After Another": a Complete Satire of Polarization):“信念变成了戏服,意识形态变成了彩排……口号变成了密码,纯洁变成了编舞,意识形态变成了品牌推广。”(Where conviction becomes costume and ideology is rehearsal……slogans become passwords, purity becomes choreography, ideology becomes branding)

itjustgotcold的Reddit帖子:“它展示的左翼缺陷是个体的,而展示的右翼缺陷是体制性的。”(But the flaws it showed from the left came from individuals, while the flaws it showed from the right were institutional. It very much took a side.)

Alistair Ryder在Vague Visages的文章:“鲍勃也是一个可笑的人物,他体现了人们对左翼运动的一个长期观察:左翼运动总是被所有参与者缺乏基本组织技能所破坏。”(DiCaprio’s Bob is also a laughable figure, the personification of the long-standing observation that left-wing movements are always derailed by the lack of basic organization skills from everybody involved in them)

J. Hoberman在Film Comment上的文章:“安德森忍不住讽刺‘觉醒’行话和地下组织的繁文缛节。鲍勃与地下联络人‘乔希同志’关于革命小组‘问候暗号’的冗长电话斗争,是电影中最持久的笑点。”(Anderson can't resist satirizing woke jargon and underground protocols. Bob's prolonged telephonic struggle with his underground contact 'Comrade Josh' over his quasi-dormant revolutionary cell's 'greeting code' is the movie's most sustained running gag.)

Armond White在National Review的文章:“普通影迷应该意识到,《一战再战》中的政治是虚假和不诚实的——迪卡普里奥、肖恩·潘、德尔·托罗和 PTA 只是在实现他们自由派好莱坞的‘死亡愿望’(针对美国)”(Casual filmgoers should realize that the politics in One Battle After Another are facetious and dishonest — that DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Del Toro, and P. T. Anderson are just playing out their liberal Hollywood death wish (to America).)

Peter Suderman在Reason上的文章:“电影更倾向于将他们批判为荒谬和无效,而不是像他们实际那样的暴力激进分子。……洛克乔的军事下属被描绘成其方法可怕且冷血,而洛克乔本人则已被吸纳入——我保证这不是我瞎编的——一个圣诞主题的秘密三K党式白人至上主义团体...……从根本上说,这部电影将其激进分子和革命者塑造成在一个种族主义、法西斯政府面前可爱甚至深具正义感的形象。……并且,尽管它嘲弄了今天年迈的左派,但它的感伤尾声却为下一代可能继承他们的事业这一想法而激动。”("The film prefers to critique them as absurd and ineffectual rather than as the violent radicals they are…Lockjaw's military subordinates are shown to be terrifying and cold-blooded in their methods, and Lockjaw himself has been inducted into—I promise I am not making this up—a secret Ku Klux Klan–like white supremacist group that is Christmas-themed...Fundamentally, the movie casts its radicals and revolutionaries as endearing and even deeply righteous in the face of a racist, fascist government…And, while it mocks today's aging left, its mawkish coda thrills to the idea that the next generation might take up their cause.")

Jerod Ra’Del Hollyfield在The Pamphaleteer的访谈认为,PTA对于圣诞探险家俱乐部的设计就是为了平衡剧情,为了展示PTA不仅不喜欢极左、也不喜欢极右,他们算不上是什么要紧的政治玩家,而是一群边缘的利己主义者

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029 《一战再战》:香香鸡之味

029 《一战再战》:香香鸡之味