What if the ultimate goal of a great DevOps engineer is to make yourself unnecessary? Jack sits down with Alex Louderback, Salesforce DevOps engineer and the voice behind The Developer's Developer blog, to unpack what happens when you do your job so well someone else takes it over. 

Alex and Jack dive into why mapping the human process always comes before touching a single tool, the security risks lurking when AI-generated changes skip proper governance, and Alex's hot take on flow testing. They also get into the real story of turning a Gearset skeptic into the team's number one promoter.