On this episode I get my Australian friend Alex Deegan on to sort out why Aussies are so loud. It's a topical one given the Trans Tasman Bubble opening and ANZAC Day this weekend. The conversation goes through the different stages of our interesting relationship.  From the confidence of the convicts to how we see the world. Global events has pulled us together and apart over our short history. Coal and minerals has turned Australia into the richest country in the world per capita. While unlike Australia, New Zealand has a democracy that works pretty well. This episode looks to answer what the future of New Zealand and Australia looks like and what brother is on top at the moment. You might be surprised.  Thanks everyone, I love making these! Make sure to subscribe and give it 5 stars on Apple Podcasts. Make sure to share the podcast with anyone you think would enjoy it. Follow the instagram page @thebigpicturenz or contact.thebigpicturenz@gmail.com. Would love to hear your thoughts and ideas!