#145 Louder

#145 Louder

Update: 2019-07-1152
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Carlos Maza started posting videos on YouTube, and ran afoul of a guy who reminded him of his high school bullies. He asked YouTube to intervene, and then things got extremely complicated.


Further Reading:
Carlos Maza's video series Strikethrough

Mark Bergen on how toxic videos became more common on YouTube
Megan Farokhmanesh's article about Google's LGBTQ employees and their reaction to the company's policy decisions
Kevin Roose's "The Making of a YouTube Radical"







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Alexandra P

It's interesting that, on every podcast I listen to, whenever a conservative or alt-right personality is portrayed as anything but an outstanding citizen of light and virtue, there's a rash of comments from people who've never commented before saying, "I'm a loyal listener but this is biased trash how dare you!!!" Or, "why are you being political???? I'm a loyal listener who hates politics and I'm upset!!!" It's almost like they're so tiny and fragile that they spend all of their free time scouring the internet for quasi-negative mentions of their faves, and then recruit people to bomb the comments section in some sad attempt to defend the personality's honor. Imagine being so mindless, so lacking in actual meaningful interests that you'd go into a discord channel and take "marching orders" to brigade podcast comment sections.

Jul 13th
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Alexandra P

Thomas Franklin LOL

Jul 27th
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Alexandra P

John A Oh, there are certainly people who legitimately disagree, and there's room for legitimate disagreement on this topic (I think you make a valid point that's worth consideration). But the problem is twofold: one, the sudden rash of comments happens across podcasts and platforms; and two, it is a reality that people get sent to content that's critical of alt-right figures by discord channels (and 4chan posts, and reddit posts, and Gab...gabs? What's a Gab post even called?) in order to overwhelm and sway the conversation. My position is that this hinders the genuine exchange of ideas and that, therefore, attention should be called to it.

Jul 14th
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Siddhesh Hirlekar

Even though I like the balanced reporting on the Louder episode, i think it lacked to cover what Steven had to say same way at the end like Carlos maza got a chance. it only made a case for Carlos.

Jul 12th
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Martine Baruch

Siddhesh Hirlekar 10:13 - Reply all reached out to Steven but he was "unavailable for comment"

Jul 12th
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Alli Hockin

Siddhesh Hirlekar Well, they did say at the beginning that they tried reaching out to him. So, it's not like he didn't get a chance.

Jul 12th
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Em Gracias Cruz

I look forward to your show every week. This was just a cringey woke-fest. Such a shame, please don't get woke and ruin the show.

Jul 12th
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Zack R

Em Gracias Cruz Each subsequent episode seems to be more woke than the last. And I enjoy each new episode less than the last.

Jul 12th
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Thomas Franklin

we have right to be as "hateful" as we want. go ahead and try suppression or prohibition of thoughts\words HA see what it gets you

Jul 12th
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Collin Baker

Thomas Franklin You have a right to be as hateful as you want, but private companies also have the right to remove your content that they are hosting for free.

Jul 12th
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Messdnys

Did you seriously just say that the alt right loves Steven Crowder?? Jfc how out of touch can you possibly be? Couldn't even listen to the rest of the episode

Jul 11th
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John Lam

This was so one sided. I listened to Andy Ngo on JRE and he's a GAY Vietnamese center right journalist that got pelted with milkshakes , mace, and attacked by antifa to the point where he got brain hemorrhages. Carlos Maza downplayed and defended antifas actions and Crowder responded. I tune into reply all to listen to internet phenomenons and cool internet related stories. Not biased political bullshit. A majority of this episode was just an antifa sympathizer crying about why youtube won't ban Crowder and a brief lesson on youtube algorithim.

Jul 11th
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Soulless Engineer

Soulless Engineer With all that in mind, I was disappointed to hear a show I've always valued as intelligent and investigative jump to such one-sided support of Maza. This feels like the poor execution of a poor choice of topic for Reply All.

Aug 12th
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Soulless Engineer

John Lam Absolutely agreed. The incident involving Ngo was the most egregious by far, but Maza provides defense for ludicrous points of view in many of his videos. He's exactly the type of person I'm embarrassed to be associated with, both as a queer person and as someone who generally falls politically left of center. From what I've seen, Crowder often provided valid criticism of Maza's idiocy, but unfortunately that criticism was almost always buried in heaps of vile, prejudiced, simple-minded bigotry. Suffice it to say, I'm not a fan of either man, but I have to side against Maza on this issue. I don't doubt for a moment that Maza was harassed by Crowder's fans, but I have not been able to find a single instance of Crowder directly encouraging such behaviour. In fact, I've even come across a few instances of Crowder explicitly telling his audience not to pursue such acts. Meanwhile, I'm beyond certain that Crowder himself has received at least an equal measure of harassment from Maza's fans as a result of this very controversy. To hold either man responsible for the actions of their audience in this case is, to my mind, entirely unjust. Did Maza deserve the unkindness he received, both from Crowder and his fans? Of course not. Is YouTube a better place without Crowder on it? Yes, I believe so. Were Crowder's comments childish, inane, obnoxious, and spiteful? Without question, in a great many cases. Did those comments by Crowder constitute a legal definition of harassment? In my opinion, absolutely and unequivocally they did not.

Aug 12th
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obsidianhoax

it's harassment and bullying, not hate speech. Good episode, though listening to any political view makes me sick. Everyone is stupid and comedy is dead

Jul 11th
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Inna S

Great episode. YT's moderation is inconsistent and terrible.

Jul 11th
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Holden Galusha

I'm conservative, but I agree that Crowder is not a good man. He's a shining example of what a person should NOT be.

Jul 11th
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Holden Galusha

Jason Huntley yeah, I was too harsh there. I was just frustrated with him listening to this

Jul 11th
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Jason Huntley

Holden Galusha I wouldn't word it that way, but jerks can still spew truth too.

Jul 11th
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